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Matt Joyce or Matt LaPorta?

If we kept track of rosterbation targets, Matt LaPorta would probably be one of the top names over the years. LaPorta has some things going for him that make him popular. Being born in Gainesville and then playing baseball for the Florida Gators is always a way to land in the thoughts of the locals. Find yourself on a team who has a perennial all-star at first base - the only position in which you should be allowed to play - and watch the interest pique when the local team is in need of a designated hitter.

I don't really have a problem with LaPorta. He's a good hitter, of that I'm sure we all agree, but while I was toying around on the International League leaderboards, a thought came to my head: is Matt Joyce a more desirable player?  As it stood, I was only looking at Joyce and LaPorta's 2009 statistics. Thankfully Baseball-Reference includes career statistics at each minor league level, so I clicked around and found the career Triple-A lines of both. Here they are:

Joyce (720 PA): .272/.367/.504, 29 HR, 16/24 SB, 12.6% BB, 25.9% SO

LaPorta (393 PA): .299/.388/.530, 23 HR, 1/4 SB, 10.7% BB, 16.6% SO

Allow me to expand on those lines a bit, because simply listing the information is boring. Their ISO are nearly identical (Joyce actually has a one point lead) and while everyone would likely give LaPorta the edge in home run power, well, he's hit a dinger in Triple-A in 4.3% of his plate appearances; Joyce only popped one 4% of the time. These are not park-adjusted, so mind that, but also mind this: Joyce is all of five months older and plays defense.  

As it stands, LaPorta's wOBA is something like 20 points higher. Over 600 plate appearances the run differential is 10.96, or just over a full win. LaPorta has been the better hitter in Triple-A, but the question you must answer in order to solve which player is more desirable involves the degree of defensive separation. Specifically: whether Joyce is 11 runs better than LaPorta.

Honestly, I can't answer that question with anything like 99% certainty and their UZR scores are basically irrelevant in such a small sample size (~600 and ~300 innings apiece), but here's what Baseball America said about both of their defensive abilities in their latest available scouting reports:

Joyce (2008):

A well above-average right fielder, he gets great jumps and has a strong, accurate arm. He can play an adequate center field if needed.

LaPorta (2009):

Though he has some feel for the outfield, he has below-average speed and range with fringy arm strength.

I think you can paint Joyce as something like a 5 < x < 10 run defender while being conservative and LaPorta as a -10 < x < -5 outfielder, give or take a run here or there. Assuming they fall within those ranges then Joyce is the better player because you also have to account for baserunning and stealing, something we didn't do originally. Give him a few runs for that, and really LaPorta isn't a full win better offensively.

Some will ask why I limited LaPorta to the outfield only and it's simple. The perception on these two players is nothing alike. LaPorta is thought to be the prototypical slugger and the big bat from college who could lead his team in dingers within three years of being drafted. Joyce came from Florida Southern and wasn't chosen until round twelve in the draft two years prior to LaPorta's class. Everybody looks forward to Desmond Jennings - and rightfully so - but Matt Joyce looks to be a pretty useful player, even when you ignore the perceptions and focus on the realities.

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I was excited when we acquired Joyce

And even more now that he’ll get a chance to play. I definitely think the left-handed Jayson Werth comp is within reach. Easily one of my favorite players for this upcoming season.

Also funny to see what being a label top prospect gets you. LaPorta was the main piece in the Sabathia trade, while Joyce was traded straight up for Jackso.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 31, 2009 11:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I was gonna say

If he wasnt the key of the Sabathia trade, I wonder how big of a prospect he would be.

Man, if Joyce can be the next Werth, we made a robbery for Jackson

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by joeybw on Dec 31, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

LaPorta would see be a big prospect

He was a top 10 pick.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 31, 2009 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But it was a trade for 3 years of Jackson vs a few months of CC...

I don’t think the gap in trade value is as big as you are implying.

by ChiBurbRaysFan on Dec 31, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

-10 < x < -5

I miss George Steinbrenner. He was the man responsible for keeping the Yankees competitive.

by kericr on Dec 31, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Don't mean to be a dick

But I think you erred on the HR rate. Unless I’m reading something wrong 23/393 is not 4.3%

by Mulva on Dec 31, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

My numbers could be wrong, but I think it should look like this.

LaPorta = HR every 17.08 ABs = 4.3%
Joyce = HR every 24.82 ABs = 3.4%

Again, it’s been a while since I last took a math class. :)

by Doug09 on Jan 2, 2010 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

A little crazy to think about

 Daniel Schlereth, Max Scherzer and Matt Joyce are all guys traded for EJax.

Nevermind my point, the hell is wrong with the D’Backs?

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by joeybw on Dec 31, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Don't forget Danys Baez and Lance Carter were also traded for Jackson.

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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 31, 2009 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wade Davis's father said he had 0 chance

He may seem very calm but I am sure he loved proving his dad wrong that day against the Tigers (fuck you bullpen, if Wade ends with 299 wins, im coming after all of you)

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by joeybw on Dec 31, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

JoBu can help

with slider and change-up, too.
Everybody have a safe evening.
Here’s looking forward to a year of success and hopefully many more for all and our Rays.

by Blue or CONKZILLA on Dec 31, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions  

Your point is essentially that Joyce is underrated, which is taken, but I believe your analysis is conveniently incomplete. Only Triple-A statistics were analyzed, therefore ignoring LaPorta’s exploits at other levels. LaPorta demonstrated very good power and contact at Double-A in 2008, and had a monstrous season in 2007 between college and A-ball. At Florida in 2007, in the SEC, LaPorta hit 20 HR and struck out only 16 times, and followed it up by hitting 10 HR in 88 AB in low A-ball. Joyce doesn’t have a track record at any level of ever dominating in the fashion that LaPorta has. Defensively, LaPorta is below average in the outfield, but his bat clearly sets him apart from Joyce.

Joyce could end up being a nice player, but there are lots of average corner outfield talents like Joyce around professional baseball. He’ll have value before he’s arbitration eligible, but after that he will be replaceable.

by OhioTommy on Jan 1, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

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