Tampa Bay Rays News and Rumors for December 9th: Andrew Friedman on the Market, Potential Interest in Reynel Pinto, Dioner Navarro Speculation, and More
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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Andrew Friedman
Bill Chastain with a nice article on the Rays willingness to be patient. This quote pretty much sums up winter meeting rumors as a whole:
"Each respective team or agent [they talk to about players], there's at least five teams that are hot and heavy [as far as their interest in that player]," said the Rays' executive vice president of baseball operations, with a twinkle in his eye. "So either we have really good taste, or we're not necessarily getting the straight scoop."
Matt Lindstrom/Reynel Pinto
An interesting addition to the usual Matt Lindstrom rumor, whether intentional or simply by association, is Chastain's inclusion of Marlins lefty Reynel Pinto.
Pinto, like Lindstrom, is arbitration eligible, which means the Marlins are more than eager to move him for something before losing him for nothing. A southpaw with the ability to miss bats, Pinto's biggest struggle throughout his 224 Marlins relief appearances has been his inability to consistently find the zone. His strikeouts per nine is an impressive 8.65, however he's also walked 6 per nine. Factor in that he's always had issues with the long ball, and his track record is less stellar than the other options discussed to date. Certainly there seems to be some potential there, whether it ever comes out or not is to be seen.
Chastain also notes the Rays held trade talks with seven teams yesterday, but that nothing is imminent. Of course that can and has changed in the past. Especially when it comes to these last two nights.
Dioner Navarro
Both, Chastain and T.R. Sullivan mention the Rays as potential trading mates with the Texas Rangers. The reasoning: the Rangers wish to add another catcher, and the Rays have two attractive targets. The Rangers, meanwhile, have a number of bullpen arms that could interest the Rays. Personal favorite Darren O'Day and flame-throwing right-hander Pedro Strop are two names offered in speculation.
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the Rangers wish to add another catcher, and the Rays have two attractive targets. The Rangers, meanwhile, have a number of bullpen arms that could interest the Rays.
lol
What a difference a year makes.
In retrospect, the gem of that Rocco to the Braves trade wasn't Salty at all, but Andrus.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
I know.
How great would it be to have him right now. We could move Barty, and we could move Briggy (either in a trade or to second). Imagine a MIF of Brignac and Andrus.
Chuck James is pretty worthless now too.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
OT somewhat, but apparently my ex-girlfriend started dating Rocco after we broke up.
So, uh, awesome.
Hey, grrl, the name's Pete Suttree. After you're done with me, the Show awaits. So what say I take you back to my Honda and read you some excerpts from a short story I wrote in the style of Spanish picaresque?
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Pretty good. Got 2 weeks vacay coming up. I'm going to spend it counting my Indian riches from the Cobel case.
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Basically two weeks, but if you plan around all the free holidays, you can maximize time away from the office.
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You do know I'm not Jewish, right?
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Like you pretended you dated a girl and then she dated Rocco Baldelli.
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What pics?
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"LOOK SEE THIS HERE IS ME, PETE SUTTREE, SUCCESSFUL PERSON."
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Is that bearded Dennis Reynolds?
And a few of his friends?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
GINGER ALERT
Aww, who am I kidding. I’d motorboat that.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Upon further review
Lady w/red = Chirstina Hendricks, Movie and TV star and natural blonde.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
We're still talking about your potent self-deluding ability.
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I'd say you're more Samwise Gamgee.
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I'm going to petition SBN to change your handle.
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Stubby Hobbit Ass Bitch
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So you defs sex better. That's awesome also. I hope you kicked her to the curb, and he was the rebound.
She was probs just fucking him, though, and they weren’t actually dating.
They probably weren't really dating, but she goes up to Boston to see him, so...?
But, yeah, it was a mutual split and everything I’ve heard about Baldelli is during the recovery period all he did was bring women home and then sleep all day.
I used to see him playing in the poker tourneys
at the dog track a lot. What a tool. Makes millions and plays in the $45 buy in tourney.
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Yeah, could be
but I would imagine that the possible 800 bucks he could win wouldn’t matter much to him. I guess that was about the highest buy in legal game around at that point in time too.
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C'mon man
If your financial security isn’t at stake is it really gambling? What a wuss.
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Oh, I'm not saying it wouldn't have been worthwhile.
Just odd how the two “studs” of that deal flamed out.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
It's still a little early to close the book on Salty I think.
Doubt he’ll ever be as good as people hoped, but I think he’s been hurt by all the catching depth that’s been around him.
Why the hell would Texas need another catcher?
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Teagarden was a rookie
And at least is solid defensively. Just seems like a rash move to me.
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many Texas arms intriguing
Pedro Strop has high potential and would be a solid pickup for someone like Navi. But I wonder if something bigger can’t be worked out here. Rays have interest in Cruz. If Texas can get a ace-style pitcher, they might be willing to part with Feliz and Smoak—if the right deal comes along.
If it is just for a bullpen arm, Strop or O’Day(if he can duplicate last season’s stats) would be a good get. But the way these teams seem to match up, I do wonder if a larger deal could be possible.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions
I don't see Texas getting rid of Feliz or Smoak, especially considering their financial problems and these 2 can provide
Above-average production for essentially free.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
it would take something huge
and something cheap. I doubt the Rangers really offered both for Josh Johnson. But I don’t doubt that if something came along that gave them top production for cheap, they’d consider it.
Only types of Rays starting pitchers that fit that bill would be: Garza, Price,
Next-Tier: Davis, Niemann
The Rangers have interest in Upton and obviously Navi.
Rays have interest in Cruz and have bullpen needs. Maybe they only match up for a small deal for a bullpen arm. But, who knows?
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
What if they are in love with Davis?
I mean we have the depth where we have to consider trading for a guy like Smoak/Feliz/Cruz, maybe Davis and Navi gets us one of the top prosects and Cruz?
I dont know, I want something to happen….
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
it's all about organizational perception
If they love Davis (and his 6 cost-controlled seasons) then perhaps there’s something there. We have players they like. They have players we like. Now we just see if anything matches up.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
To me, this smacks of trading to make a trade because pieces line up on both sides. I don't see how they let
Feliz/Smoak go for anything that we would consider parting with.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
you're probably right
at the very least Navi for either O’Day or Strop is a good deal. Cruz doesn’t fit. I can’t see why they’d trade a 21 year old Feliz who dominated in his short stint. Smoak, however, has been mentioned as a possibility in the right deal, but unless the Rays trade from their starting rotation depth, they don’t have what it takes to get him. And the Rays are not inclined to trade from their rotation…at least not until Hellickson gets a little more AAA seasoning.
Like I said, you’re probably right. It’s just interesting to consider.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Will Carroll tweet
@injuryexpert Hearing that Anury Rodriguez is “prize of Rule 5.” Other names – Cassavah, Palazzolo, Ashley.
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At least we have had an extra week or Ramon Ramirez!
Still hoping this is tied to the Shoppach trade somehow. The Yanks aquiring #1 makes me nervous though.
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I'm just saying, even risking Anuery yet cutting Ramon days later is a bad process.
And it’s a bad process the FO hasn’t corrected, considering the Hamilton-Hollins mishap. I’m sure they have a reason for it, but for the life of me I can’t figure out what it might be (not that I think I’m as intelligent as Friedman and Co, just that this reeks of idiocy.)
Somehow I don't think they will address it
Maybe a borader question about lessons learned. Still seems danceble.
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BAM!
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
I smell regression to the FAIL
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
WE NEED HARD HITTING REPORTING REGINALD (ROUNDTREE) JUWAN ANDERSON!
by rglass44 on Dec 9, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes. I'll ask the assitant stat guy why he didn't add someone to the 40-man instead of asking questions about strategy and tactics.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
I can't name names if he's on another team though.
So it’ll have to be like "What’s the thought process behind leaving some guys, who seem like decent chances to stick, off the 40-man in favor of others who seemingly have lower chances to even stick on the Rays 40-man?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be more like,"Why the fuck do you guys leave prospects off the 40 and then cut shithead veterans a week later?"
But, that’s why I’m not good at interviewing people.
*even stick on the 40-man up to the date of the Rule Five Draft
FTFY
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Oh come on man, my kid is reading this!
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
90% sure they don't read the comments.
But Dan Feinstein is the AGM. He’s an Oakland Raiders fan, so he has it hard enough. Also he was in Moneyball(!!!!).
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
New girl that works for us is engaged to a guy in the Rays FO, reports directly to AF.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe.
She’s our HR Manager so SHES ABOVE ME ON THE FOOD CHAIN!
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Hardball with Rivera Jeraldo Anderson
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by FreeZorilla on Dec 9, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering the source: Anuery's safe!
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
By Ashley
You think they mean Nevin? I’d be surprised if he could stick anywhere for a year.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sure
Depends on the team that takes him, I suppose, but he could easily be a last man out of the pen on a lot of teams. Not on the Yankees though.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Cleveland beat reporter says Shoppach PTBNL
is "similar to" the return the Indians got in the Garko-to-Giants trade — that would be starter Scott Barnes, a pretty well-regarded lefty who split his age-21 season between A+ and AA.
Hoynes doesn’t cite a source; offered here without comment.
I posted this earlier today in yesterday’s thread; thought it might’ve been buried. Apologies for the double post if you caught it already.
by fleerdon on Dec 9, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions
Maybe Alex Cobb or David Newmann?
I could more than live with that.
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The only things I’d add are that
1. Hoynes isn’t much of a talent evaluator, which means he may or may not grasp the full extent of the difference between Shoppach and Garko, or that Barnes is a pretty legit 3-star guy; and
2. Shapiro said it’s a guy the Indians “have liked for a while,” which usually means some combination of healthy, good age-level progression, maybe a nice GB%. I don’t know whether that would necessarily include Cobb, but it probably excludes somebody older like Newmann.
by fleerdon on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah smells like Talbot to me
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Good for him if it is.
He’s got talent and a future. Just too many guys better than him here.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Thrilled with that deal too, jsut said to see Aneury possibly be stolen away:(
Maybe he will fail to stick.
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Cobb's
an interesting guess. Shapiro’s not shopping for 2010.
by fleerdon on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
OT: A convo a friend and I had about the Sawx.
Not sure if anyone cares, but I think it is pretty relevant and a good discussion point.:
me: u stoked about ur yanks
people are saying they think this makes the sawx more likely to trade for halladay. im less sure. i wonder if they see the writing on the wall that they should just retool in 2 years when the yanks will be down again.
Jeremy: thats what theo keeps bracing everyone for
hes mentioned were in a transition phase in every interview
me: i know
or i didnt know that
but looking at ur rooster its obviuous
SO I wonder if this is the case. I still could see them making a run at Miggy and/or Halladay though.
But, on topic, I wouldn't be surprised if Theo didn't feel like extending himself to compete with the Yanks and is just going to wait them out.
Though, I think that’s awfully short-sighted… alot of those old contracts will be up in a few years and they’ll just go out and acquire Carl Crawford and others.
In talking with my buddy you can see a definite break in their current player/cpontract situations.
Lowell off the books next year. Beckett is too. Papi has a club option for 2011 that I doubt they exercise, and JD Drew is off the books after 2011.
Stat the Yankees must have known:
Granderson hit 83% of his HRs the last two years to right field.
I call shenanigans.
no
you have to declare it and supply proof, you cant just call it!
South Park taught me calling shenanigans without proof starts a war.
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
Well let's see...proof...hmm...
Yankees built right field wall to be like playing The Bigs…and Granderson only hits there.
GAME SET MATCH BIOTCH.
now the Yankees must accept this decalaration
then WAR
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
Does anyone come close to offering him 11 million?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
What I'm saying is the Yanks gave him 11 million. Why?
They played hard ball with him last year, why not again?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
Welp
CarrieMuskat
It appears there is no “mystery team” in bid for #cubs Milton Bradley, and Tampa Bay is most likely trade partner
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
I'd love to see him and Boras in a one-on-one over a player. Neither giving an inch.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
The back-and-fourth would be amusing to me.
Boras must hate having guys like AF in office. Now he actually has to work for his clients rather than bending over guys like Bravasi (sp?) with minimal effort.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
CARLOS SILVA IS A WINNER. HE EATS INNINGS NOW GIVE ME FIVE FUCKING YEARS AND 55 MILLION RITENOW!
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
they stick to their guns
that’s what happened with Burrell last year. And the process was good…just not the results. Their need was a market surplus, so they offered a deal and said first come, first serve. I just hope we get lucky enough to get the results as well as the process this time.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair, he's probably not even in a position where flinching is in option
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They've been manufacturing rumors for a month and a half.
At this point, they’re not trying to get Friedman to flinch, they’re hoping someone else bites and jumps in. I would be shocked if he’s not a Ray.
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Whoever the mystery team bait was for, it didn't work.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the impression I've gotten all along was there are no other suiters and they're just hoping and praying to save a few million postureing.
It’s clearly failed. He can’t go back there, so they’ll have to cave eventually.
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“Each respective team or agent [they talk to about players], there’s at least five teams that are hot and heavy [as far as their interest in that player],” said the Rays’ executive vice president of baseball operations, with a twinkle in his eye. “So either we have really good taste, or we’re not necessarily getting the straight scoop.”
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like Andy wants to sex you, MLB GMs.
He wants Milton Bradley and he doesn’t care who he has to blow to get him.
I honestly don't see it happening.
The Cubs won’t want to eat that much money, and the Rays can’t afford it.
He's been mentioned on numerous rule five player lists near the top
Not that its worth much necessarily, and I’m sure there is a decent amount of copycatting going on. Still, I almost expect him to be selected.
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Probably not
All signs point to Aneury on the basis of those 2 comments
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Let me translate that quote
REPORTER: “Is this a 25-man guy?”
SHAPIRO: “It might be; it might not be.”
translation
REPORTER: “Will you basically just tell us the names on the list?”
SHAPIRO: “No. Not a syllable.”
by fleerdon on Dec 9, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking of lips sealed shut
VAGISIL
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
I like the Wolf deal for Milwaukee.
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So in the end, Pettitte gets slightly more on a one-year deal with the Yankees.
Not bad.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
If you believe in such juju as WAR, then they'll both match or exceed contract price barring injury.
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Mets should have signed him. Now Omar will go give more money and years to Joel Pinero.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Hendry folds and we our Chocolate God of Walks before midnight.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
PB&J and a Juicy Juice?
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They had the whole 911 call transcript on Sports Center last night.
Are you kidding me? His mother in law went to the hospital. Who gives a shit? That wouldn’t even have been news if it had happened two weeks ago.
"Three or four plane crashes and we're in the playoffs" - John McKay
Trying to get the Rays to pull the trigger.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
But if we can all tell it’s a lame attempt to get us to pony up, why can’t they see the Rays will too?
Maybe they hope the Red Sox/Yankees will jump in by floating this smoke.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
Boy I hope not.
Imagine if Boston got Beltre and Bradley while dumping Lowell? Ridiculous.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Lame attempt to get the Rays back to the table?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
I'm late.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
because the Cubs are retarded
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OT Rafael Soriano has given the braves trade clearance
i bet he gets traded to the red sox
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where you think he goes?
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I doubt it too BUT...
JD Drew did have pretty big year there and is under contract for one more year. Is it that out of the question to see them swaping the two? Allows them to ease Heyward in and not block him for full-time duties past 2010.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not that I think they should or would...
but I could see Frank Wren doing something like this. He’s overpaid for everyone so far, Lowe, Wagner, Siato.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
JD Drew is one of the more underappreciated talents in the game
Hey may have been Boston’s 2nd best positional player last year.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
He's overpaid though, right?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
His first year in Boston he was. Otherwise, no, plus it's Boston.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on his health (no shit, right)
If he gets 500 PA he is a lock for 4 WAR. His defense is well above average and he gets on base and can hit with power while crushing righties.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
He's one of those guys that's WAR seems out of line with his perception.
Because he takes so many pitches people hate all the Ks looking with men on base.
People are stupid
You do know that wOBA/wRAA/WAR are all based on the number of plate appearances, right?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Wait... what?
Of course I do, but I also understand that the uncertainty involved with his ability to play seriously discounts his value.
I didn't mean to imply that you are stupid, but people that think that K's are bad and looking is the worst
are dumb.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
Meh
In general yes, but it is frustrating as hell when it seems to happen a fair amount. That’s the issue at hand.
They are awfulw ith 1st base empty and a runner on 3rd with less than two outs
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So 5% of the time they suck
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
I don't disagree
I don’t mind K’s but its a bad sin to look at strike 3 a runner on 3rd and less than 2. I’m sure thats what stick out in the Drew hater minds.
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The next time that he doubles that guy in or gets himself on with a walk so that
any of the boppers behind him can turn it into a 2-3 run inning instead of the 1 they forget all about it.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
Drew career <2 outs, --3
.221/.387/.387 253 PA 48K
A ton of walks. BUt thats one of those situations where it is acceptable to intentionally walk people to set up an inning ending double play. Sometimes its nice to get that run in.
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Look at the Beej-hate
I really hope BJ just comes out on fire next year, because I won’t be able to handle the masses if he comes out looking lost at the plate.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
You can only say "He plays great D and will come along at the plate"
So long before the masses overwhelm you and you cry in your seat….
agreed
The one diff. b/w when he does it and Drew does it is the perception about the two players. Drew is not the typical run-producing corner outfielder he’s paid to be. He is best at the top of the lineup getting on. It’s when he gets stuck at 5 that this weakness is glaring.
If they were smart they'd have Pedroia lead off with Drew and Youk/VMart following him
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Jacoby absolutely pisses me off
Breaking up Garza’s no-hitter, the sick catches he made against us all year that killed rallies, he seems to step his game against us.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and the denominator is PA
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
It's a component of wOBA
whereas with wRAA it is a factor.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
w/e
I knew what you meant which is why i didn’t nitpick or notice. it was just funny when he PAWNED you.
There was no pawning
I hesitated to include it in the first place, but decided to.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
BRING BACK DAMON.
I'm a Brett Favre honk so FUCK YOU!
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
Much ado about nothing
aka the winter meetings
The Orioles and Rangers are close to swapping pitchers Kevin Millwood and Chris Ray, reports Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun. The Rangers would of course send cash in the deal.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Millwood/Ray swap close
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/orioles-rangers-close-to-millwoodray-swap.html
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haha i was close to being first
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i dont get this deal at all
i believe Ray has 2 more years before arb right?
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I mean I think it's a fine deal for the O's.
A RP with arm issues for a decent middle of the rotation starter.
If we lose Aneury and Ramirez and don't tender Gross i'll be pissed
and didn’t we expose Aneury and protect Bennett?
I'm only really worried about Aneury and Gross.
Not even that much with Gross. Bennett and Ramirez seem pretty RL to me.
Hawkins to the Brewers
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LaTroy or Courtney?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Dec 9, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Brewers having themselves a pretty good offseason
Gomez will play gold glove D, Wolf is a decent #2 or 3, Hawkins is a great bullpen arm
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Their rotation is still iffy at best.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
true
Gallardo,Wolf and Bush are solid tho
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he is great in the NL
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have u seen his numbers in Houston?
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That's not entirely true.
He’s fine in the NLC. In the ALE? No thanks.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Ray/Millwood is a done deal
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if Ray bounces back to old form before TJS then the O's will look real stupid
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Chris Ray's best season as a pro he was worth .5 wins.
Kevin Millwood is a 2.5-3.5 win player pretty consistently. Even if Ray is at his best, he almost certainly doesn’t match Millwoods value.
Tools Whore
What's the dollar difference?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Texas is making up part of that.
Millwood will make $12 mill next year. Then he’ll likely be type B at worst I’d imagine.
Don't know yet. Texas is apparently sending cash.
Won’t really be able to judge the deal until we know how much.
Tools Whore
So, any bets in Matthan comes in here with his torch today?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions
He wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have a superiority complex.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
About everything.
You don’t have to talk down to people about common sense.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Common sense ain't common
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
For as much as everyone knocks on Glenn Beck, he's god damn good at what he does.
/ducks
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to come back with something after this bomb.
subthread dead.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying it's not hard to stir up a bunch of morons
For every one smart thing that he discusses he mentions something equally foolish, twisting facts and playing on emotions as he goes.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Emotions, like ignorance, have no place in politics
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Stop watching Fox News
C-Span and books are where you should get your political frame of mind.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
I don't watch Fox news or any news.
But if you disagree that people are emotional at politics you are missing it. I don’t care for politics at all, tend to avoid it.
People, yes, the idea of politcal reformation should never have "emotion" in the equation
I’m a heartless bastard though.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well obviously that is the problem is that it should never have emotion
but a lot of the people that are in it/people in general are emotional about it.
Well you'd be wrong.
Godwin’s Law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one’s opponent) with Hitler or Nazis or their actions. The corollaries of the law would presumably not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi Germany, or, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances is understandable. Whether it applies to humorous use or references to oneself is open to interpretation, since this would not be a fallacious attack against a debate opponent.
Frankly, it’s much easier to ask if Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Thank you for proving my point
The corollaries of the law would presumably not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, or other mainstays of the Nazi Germany, or, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances is understandable.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Is this about who Glenn Beck is, or what Glenn Beck does?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
It was in reference to this
For as much as everyone knocks on Glenn Beck, he’s god damn good at what he does.
The man is a propagandist.
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Should we turn the discussion to the pros & cons of a society that allows John Leguizamo to continue to make movies?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
If I were a Jew, I might choose the over over a showing of Spawn.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
God damn keyboard
OVEN WITH AN N, NOT AN R.
I need to get new batteries for this thing already.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Is this link SFW?
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
When I went to that
a toolbar popped up at the bottom with a window to type in your status, mine came pre-filled out with “Slutty College Girls.”
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
That would be the awesomeist thing ever, considering the site's banner
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Actually, I see it.
There’s more to it though: reading Slutty College Girls Use Scripture As Tramp Stamps at http://christwire.org/2009/02/slutty-college-girls-use-scripture-as-tramp-stamps/
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I'm also convinced that christwire.org is even MORE satrical then GB1990:
Alabama Forces Florida Quarterback Tim Tebow To Cry
December 6, 2009 by Dan Nordgren
Filed under Faith Links, Featured, sports
Tim Tebow was one of the greatest quarterbacks of the 21st century and a Christian. When Tebow stepped unto the field for the SEC Championship game to lead the #1 ranked Florida Gators against undefeated and #2 Alabama, even the officials couldn’t wait to see how the game progressed.
Unfortunately for Florida, the game proceeded in decisive favor for Alabama as they knocked the Gators up 32-13. Tim Tebow broke apart and tossed a very unlikely interception.
All hopes of Tebow winning a Heisman Trophy vanished. Florida was uprooted. And then, Tebow cried. The once great Tim Tebow, who had made every single Christian athlete proud with his good example, cried like a little girl on the sideline. Embarrassing.
I was pretty disgusted when I saw Tebow betraying us like this. Up until this game it was obvious that Tebow was not only God’s favored player, but likely would get God’s vote for the Heisman as well. After throwing an interception and crying, however, there is no honor or faith in that; only shame.
I’m sure up in heaven there’s much disappointment in Tebow. Even after throwing the interception, he could have had faith for a few miracle runs, inopportune Alabama fumbles and divine Hail Mary passes, but no, he chose to hide behind tears on the sideline.
Tebow has betrayed us all and now we have to wonder if he’s man enough for the NFL. A true quarterback has great resolve, much like Brett Favre the greatest quarterback of all time. They don’t go and cry when they mess up, they only strengthen their faith and come out with more determination. Warning: The following video contains footage of Tim Tebow crying like a girl. Please first have any women/girls leave the room and after prayer, explain to any young men/sons about why you don’t cry in sports before reviewing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
That's funny as all get out
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well done Keri
Christwire is a goldmine
http://christwire.org/2009/04/satan-overcomes-girl-at-john-mayer-concert/
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Who called it?
You better pimp me mofo! I gave the FO the idea!
by rglass44 on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ALFONSO SUCKS WHY WOULD WE WANT HIM?
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by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
AF: "Oh hey guys, DRB user "rglass44" gave me a great idea..."
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Hawkins 2/7.5
not bad
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