More Tampa Bay Rays News and Rumors for December 9th: Rays "Front Runners" for Rafael Soriano, Texas Rangers Show Interest In Dioner Navarro, and More
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 4:30 PM EST
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The biggest and boldest new rumor is clearly Rafael Soriano to the Rays. Here's the latest update:
[Note by R.J. Anderson, 12/09/09 4:50 PM EST ]
Soriano deal could get done today, sources say. Rays very interested but balking at $ and player(s)
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Rays looking like frontrunner for reliever Soriano — 4:07 p.m.
Tampa Bay appears ready to finally address the two-year late-inning bullpen problem. The key for the Rays is coming to grips with the fact they will have to expand the payroll a few million dollars to accommodate a closer.
The Rays and Houston are making the strongest push to acquire right-handed closer Rafael Soriano from Atlanta with growing indications that the Rays are likely to make the move.
Ringolsby isn't the most analytical writer in the world, so his emphasis on closers is going to be quite a bit stronger than someone like, say, Larry Stone. Regardless, we'll keep you updated if we hear/see anything further. Worth noting is that Houston is on the verge of acquiring another Rays target, Matt Lindstrom, which would -- presumably -- take them out of the Soriano race.
After the jump, the latest on Dioner Navarro and the Texas Rangers.
From ESPN's Richard Durrett:
Jason Kendall remains on the club's catching wish list and they've expressed some interest in Tampa Bay's Dioner Navarro. Interest in Toronto's Rod Barajas has lessened some because he's asking for more money than the Rangers appear willing to pay right now.
This isn't too much of a surprise, as Bill Chastain hinted at such in a recent piece. Who knows how close the Rays are to moving Navarro, but time is beginning to run out.
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come on guys
this is a perfect fit
From Percival/Committee in 09 to Soriano in 2010
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
I didn't see it coming.
I know Atlanta REALLY didn’t see Soriano or Gonzalez returning though, maybe they’re dropping him like a hot potato.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
I expected we'd kick the tires when he accepted arb, but figured his price tag as a reliever would preclude us from making a run.
Nice to see though.
Tools Whore
Not if it takes something like Joyce.
I’d absolutely hate the deal.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Joyce only makes sense in any senario if DJ can be a 3+ win player today
and they’re fairly confident about extending CC.
Tools Whore
You forget Sean the Baptist.
I’ll let Joyce go if it means keeping him.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're young yet and not quite as hard boiled fr dis
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
From disappointment.
Mira Sorvino...Paul Walker...T-Pain...Fall 2010...HEADSTONE MAFIA, A LOVE STORY OF REVENGE. "5/5 stars!!!" - DRB User "Andy Hellicksonstine"
by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 5:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
They must have some magic voodoo to make this work
Unless they trade good stuff, which I Doubt
Do it damn you
Why do you kill threads????
by Some other guy who does not care on Dec 9, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions
get 'er done
save the winter meetings from sucking
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
jaysonst Rafael Soriano deal could get done today, sources say. Rays very interested but balking at $ and player(s)
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
AF: We could probably find a use for him, buuut we really don't want to give you anything
FW: Just give us Gross and Navarro and we’ll kick in 3M
AF: Well alright, if you insist.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
I see some payroll needs to be shed on this
I say Balfour will most likely be in the mix
Wheeler would get moved for nothing before Balfour
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
I hope the Rays sign Balfour to a lifetime contract, paying him $20 million a year, then in the press release, they say, "This is for you Sternfan1".
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
OT: RJ--hear your boy on Sports animal?
BJ promoting his charity classic
Decent interview with ‘Night Train’ as Duemig was off and another chick too
I just tuned in for the interview after somebody posted about it
Pretty decent, Beej playing NCAA Football with his buddies and promoting his cause. Did mention that he thinks coming back from the surgery made him tweak his swing.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions
Heard it on the way to work
BJ laughing at Roxanne Wilder’s golf game, some new material on Shelton. Nothing really salient.
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on MLBtr
People are saying Soriano, Schafer and prospects for Pena
I’m down
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
Who are these "people?"
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
In the future:
One more note: please, please, post the source of the rumor. And generally speaking, the MLBTR comments section or a random message board post won’t pass the smell test.
Tools Whore
Not really
We wouldn’t have a 1B, and Joyce or Jennings > Schaefer
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This guy is my co-pilot
There is a insane amount of stupid trade proposals in this thread.
Posted by: 661dodgerblue | December 09, 2009 at 01:49 PM
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Soriano, Schaefer, Freeman for Los would be nice
But makes no sense for the Braves.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny about Soriano
Topkin brought up the quote from earlier in the week “No $7 million closers will be showing up”, I guess that doesn’t include $8 million closers.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 9, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Rule Five Tidbit from Kiley
kileymcd Rule V tidbits: NYY may take Z. Kroenke to offset P. Coke loss, H. Ambriz drawing lots of interest, CLE tied to B. Cassevah @5 if he’s there
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I really like this idea, but it almost certainly precludes us from signing Kescobar
My heart does sweat for him.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 5:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Why would it preclude? Isn't Kelvim an injury risk? He could be had for a 1 year jobbie to 'revive' his career?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Still think he'd want $4+
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well hey Nevin Ashley was named the AFL top prospect
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
By whom?
Nevin Ashley >>>> Steven Strasburg
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The less you hear, the more work is being done.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
lets go Andy!
He said 1 or 2 relievers, well if we get Soriano, it will be only 1 but good enough for me
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
dont forget Calero
that’ll be another solid pickup and cheap Wheeler replacement if he’s included in the Soriano trade.
by raysfaninminnesota on Dec 9, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah Calero
He will cost 1.5 mil at most, could still get him
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
Nevin News
The two catchers on the squad were top Giants prospect Buster Posey, who made his big league debut at the end of the 2009 season, and Nevin Ashley, who hit .366 in fall ball after earning the Rays’ award for Best Defensive Player of ’09
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091209&content_id=7783060&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
Nevin Ashley, Tampa Bay Rays, C: Teams looking for catching depth in the Draft may be taking another look at Ashley, who hit .366 with two homers, 14 RBIs and a pair of steals in 18 games. Ashley, a sixth-round pick in 2006 out of Indiana State, had previously been known for his stellar defense, hitting just .230 between Class A Advanced Charlotte and Double-A Montgomery in 97 games in 2009. The Florida State League All-Star was named the Rays’ Minor League Best Defensive Player this past season, throwing out 47.5 percent of opposing baserunners and posting a .993 fielding percentage.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20091205&content_id=7763166&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb
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Well, obviously they are talking
As Soriano’s camp is saying “we aren’t sure Rafael would approve a trade to Tampa or not”
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
SPTimesRaysfrom txt #Rays Friedman, Braves GM Wren get off elevator together, walk toward press conf room .... then turn down hall to go to Scout of Year dinner
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
oh god damn
they did it on purpose so people like us would get blue balled
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
It's nice to have so many posts that aren't about a Burrell/Bradley swap
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
Hey AF
Buy Wren a steak with all the trimmings…..then threaten to cut his balls off if he doesn’t give us Soriano for free
Who do we want? Roy Halladay! When do we want him? NOW
It's going to cost Briegnac to get it done.
I also don’t see the braves eating any of the salary what so ever as Soriano is a legit closer at about 6.5-7 million. He can be extended and would have cost a 1st round draft pick. So FW isn’t giving him away. Eventually, Soriano will be dealt and it won’t be for scrubs and eating salary.
And since when is Wheeler a scrub?
Since it seems like Wheeler + minor prospect is what most are proposing here.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
First off
They don’t need Wheeler as the bullpen is already set and therefore the very reason they are dealing Soriano.
Second, What you are proposing here is irrelevant as most of the random banter here is unrealistic.
Third, FW won’t give him away as someone will always need a closer whether it’s now, spring training, or july. He will sit on it.
Fourth, the wheeler’s of the world are a dime a dozen. Plus both Medlen and Acosta (the back back back end of the bullpen) are just as productive.
Yuniel vs. Briegnac*
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
Regardless, this seems ridiculous.
The Rays haven’t given up Brignac for Lee, Halladay, Martinez, Bay, etc.; I don’t think Rafael Soriano alone is getting him.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
But but but
the Rays need that closer, they can afford $7-8 million on top of their current payroll, and just because nobody would give up decent future prospects (a 1st or 2nd rounder) to sign him for multiple years, doesn’t mean they won’t give up a prospect or two who have already excelled and shown they can play in the minors to get him for one year and pay market value for him. Pina 1b for Soriano CL!!!!!
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 9, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
They might do that but they are really needing a RH bat as Heyward, Schafer, McCann, Freeman, McClouth are all lefties and will be on their roster in 2011. They need the RH bad.
I was being sarcastic
I just don’t think the Rays could take his salary without shipping out someone like Wheeler, who has been great at times in the NL.
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 9, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'm just saying
the braves are going to get something back that they want and not what the Rays are offering.
The braves need depth at SS/Utility IF
They need organizational depth at fielding positions in the farm system
They need a RH LF or 1B that hits 25+ HR a year
A young high ceiling projected 3B prospect
They would have gotten a draft pick with Soriano not accepting ARB so they are going to ask for a top 20 Prospect in Return or someone that fits there needs that is near MLB ready.
Logic concludes all of this.
They can ask all they want.
If you think the Rays are giving up Brignac for a reliever who’s missed two of the last five seasons with injuries, then I can’t help you.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Well since Yunel will transition over to 3B and Brignac could be used as the super utility guy or the everyday 2B if prado proves to be a one year wonder I would think that the risk reward would be just enough to try and get it.
Except Andrew Friedman is not dumb
If the asking price is Brignac or equal, then we thank Mr. Wren for his time and move on.
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I think you assume FW is an idiot as well
I mean AF is good and all but FW isn’t going to give him away for nothing ans AF usually offer nothing and hopes they get desperate?
Point out my offer/comments that says Wren is a moron.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Let's flip this around.
You: If I were Friedman I wouldn’t trade Brignac unless Wren gave up McCann.
Me: You are insane.
You: Are you saying Friedman is dumb?
Me: No, I’m saying you’re being unrealistic.
You: Well I’d just walk away then.
Me: Please do.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
The attitude that we would simply hang up on him is what I’m hinting at. Just because AF says thank you and have a great day doesn’t mean soriano isn’t worth the value the FW asked. The asset or return is just represented by Brignac for the rays.
One year of Soriano and two draft picks isn't worth a young shortstop with six years of service time.
Even if you think Brignac is just an average player, it doesn’t work.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Look at this.
http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/7/20/950254/which-is-better-compensation
Do the math. Soriano is nice, I would enjoy him being on the Rays, he, nor many relievers, are worth what you think they are.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think a reliever is ever a good investment
I think the market price is inflated but so is gas and I have to deal with it?
Gas holds an inelastic demand for most.
Non-elite relievers are about the most elastic asset out there. Not that Soriano isn’t a bit better than your average fungible reliever, but again, you seem to be ignoring his injury history which is a bit concerning, and the fact that he’s not guaranteed to decline arbitration next year either.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
No.
Brignac would still be free for a year and under cost control for another two. Soriano would be a $5-8M reliever with an injury history.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, Charmin
Except can’t see the Braves paying upwards of 17 mil for three guys in the back of the bullpen.
They won't someone will get one of them.
You have to remember that a trade doesn’t have to happen now. Eventually, someone is going to need that arm and Wren knows it. Plus he could always negotiate a new deal of 2 years 5 million and then the guy becomes even more attractive to potential trade partners.
I don’t see a trade happening with the braves unless AF actually is willing to give something up of value whether it’s in prospects or young MLB ready guys.
Soriano is going to make more than 5 million this year in arbitration, he's not signing for 2/5.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
He would to get traded if no one bites.
As if he sits in the bullpen not as a closer then his value drops. Plus he’s getting 6.5 -7 million per year. Also his contract was back loaded thus arbitration doesn’t take that in account and just raises it.
I'm pretty sure if he re-signs for 2/5 the Braves would just keep him.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Are you saying two-years for $5M total or two-years for $10M?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
please god soriano.
dont know at all what we would have to give up/how much money we can take on
Winner.
The vigilante broke out a stained window, snaked a garden hose in, turned the water on, & let it sit... all fucking night, niiiiice! Even i've never thought ov that one before! Hundreds ov gallons ov water flooded the chapel & basment, resulting in thousands ov dollars in damage - or improvement, depending upon how you look at it. And with weathering being the way it is here in the NorthWest, such exstensive water damage will [no doubt] result in some much-needed toxic black mold. That's what you've gotta do with these filthy goddamn christian cockroaches, you gotta flood 'em out!
They need to stop making deals so I can catch up
I’m behind on Harden, Millwood as it is. Completely skipped the smaller deals like Teahen, Crosby.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 9, 2009 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why are we getting so worked up over this
The rays wont make this move and the Red Soxs or some other contending team will come and sweep Soriano up. Our offseason is pretty much done. Besides signig Calero and a few other players who have upside but have been injured their whole careers. We will probaly (key word probaly) end up keeping Burrell and Navarro just hoping that they will make a turnaround next season. Then come Trade Deadline, we will be in every trade rumor(considering we are in contention) but wont want to get rid of one player(mostly a pitcher because we all know we dont have enough of those right) to get a big player and instead end up with a small player. Im usually wrong though so
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
This is hilarious.
Soriano has missed most of three seasons within the last six years. He’s not injury prone though?
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I guess I should of specified
injured guys who have upside but have only had one or none good seasons
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 9, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
well i included his signing already though
thats why i said calero and a few other players
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
apology accepted
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 9, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
and speaking of calero,
any news yet or has he just been silent?
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
David O’Brien of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that the Braves and Rays could finalize a deal for Soriano as early as tomorrow morning
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
so I guess I might have been wrong....
Then again I never said I was a genius.....
by thedudeofdudes on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions
Would you all do...
Sean Rodriguez and Jake McGee for Soriano?
Would you all do...
Dan Wheeler for Jordan Schaefer?
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
I was being sarcastic at the one-sidedness of your proposal.
Officially now the head of the Lobstein bandwagon.
Aneury Rodriguez, yes.
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by Tommy Rancel on Dec 9, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Jesus.
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by PlayOnWords on Dec 9, 2009 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone who says yes is getting banned.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ye... aww fuck it
Longoria/Shields/Davis for Chipper
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
CHIPPER WITH THE CHOPPER
oooh and he’s thrown out by 20 feet.
I'm a writer.
by Andy Hellicksonstine on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Soriano is going to be signed to a ~ market value contract
which limits his value, anyone could have had him for a 1st/2nd round pick and the same or less money, no one took him why would they give up a valuable prospect now, he would not be worth S-Rod and McGee (who if he can get back from TJ can be Soriano for six years cheaper than one of Soriano). Was it the Tex trade that made you think one side was supposed to be raped in a trade?
the ghost of stokes, camp, lugo strikes TB-sept 2009
by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 9, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This is the worst comment in the history of comments.
Well, I think we ought to talk them into eating the $, even it costs us getting players in return. If we’re gonna be eating salary we better be getting a Zobrist or something back, not a fringe piece/roleplayer.
by J-Freak on Dec 9, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, this one has it beat.
HA!
The thick plottens. The hooligans on that blog are now bouncing around the idea of Scafer Sori and Freeman for Carlos. Talk about overvaluing your own player.
by J-Freak on Dec 9, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
.
If we’re gonna be eating salary we better be getting a Zobrist or something back, not a fringe piece/roleplayer.
Talk about overvaluing your own player.
by R.J. Anderson on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
That's the happiest i've ever been to be
rick roll’d
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by CubFanRaysaddict on Dec 9, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
Should we go back and review
the things people were certain about?
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