Brian Shouse Officially Signs With Rays; Juan Salas DFA
We finally have an official deal after almost two weeks of waiting. The deal is for 1 yr worth $1.35 million with an option for 2010 at $1.90 million or a buyout of 200k. Shouse was worth 0.4 WAR last year or $1.8 million dollars. His overall numbers took a hit because of the way he was used. For some reason, he had more PA's vs. right handed batters (108) than left handed batters(104). That is bullpen mismanagement 101 and part of the reason Ned Yost is no longer a manager.
To make room for Shouse, The Rays have DFA'd Juan Salas, who probably will be picked up by another team. Salas had excellent minor league numbers, but never translated them into major league sucess. He pitched in a career high 34 games in 2007 and while his ERA was 3.72, his FIP was 6.13. Good luck to the Juice
For the Rays, Shouse is an upgrade over Trever Miller, who served as the team's loogy last year. Shouse at $1.35 million is below market value and also cheaper than Miller, who received a 1yr/~2 million dollar deal with the Cardinals this off season. Here is a breakdown of their numbers vs LHB.
| 2008 | BAA | OBP | SLG |
| Shouse | 0.180 | 0.196 | 0.290 |
| Miller | 0.209 | 0.327 | 0.382 |
| Career | BAA | OBP | SLG |
| Shouse | 0.212 | 0.264 | 0.325 |
| Miller | 0.235 | 0.327 | 0.382 |
Shouse is pretty much death to a left handed batter, so should see plenty of David Ortiz this year. He also joins Troy Percival as the old men on the young Rays team. In fact when camp opens, they will be playing along side Tim Beckham, who was just six months old when they were drafted in 1990
Here is our original post on the signing and welcome to the Rays Mr. Shouse
And here is Salas' DRB2009 profile:
Juan Salas RHP
Salas has had much success in the minor leagues, but that hasn't yet translated to the majors. He dominated AA and AAA in 2006 with K/9 rates of 13.50 and 10.36 before getting called up and throwing 10 innings for the big club. Salas threw most of his 2007 innings in the majors, racking up a 3.72 ERA but an ugly 6.13 FIP and low 6.44 K/9. His 2008 season was marred by visa problems that saw him miss a chunk of the start of the season, and a bout with epileptic seizures. He did throw 44.2IP in AAA with a 2.62 ERA and 2.28 FIP while maintaining a K/9 of over 10(10.68), but never really got a shot with at the major league level throwing just 6.1 innings.
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Someone will pick him up
He just needs to get his weight down and get some more time in the majors and he’ll be fine; he’s not even a full-season into his service time. I’m disappointed to see him being DFA’d but the Rays have plenty of decent-looking relievers already.
Same.
I rather have Salas than Johnson, but now the pen is less crowded.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 12, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sweet
Now we can (for the time being) pretend that we have the moral high ground when the Yankees come to town.
by GomesSweetGomes on Feb 12, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions
Great news on Shouse
I’m disappointed to see Salas go though.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Feb 12, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions
Hard to believe Salas has been around since 1998.
This is the exact type of arm a team should take a chance on. No, his strikeouts didn’t translate in 2007, but the guy has killed the minors. A team like the Pirates or Marlins will scoop him up.
Oh well. I suppose we had too many 40-man slots locked up to pitchers as is.
No, his strikeouts didn’t translate in 2007, but the guy has killed the minors
Chad Orvella? He’s still here.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 12, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hope soooo much ...
… that Chad breaks out this year!
By the way: A shame that we didn’t take a chance on Salas!
I would have rather waived Houser or Johnson
But c’est la vie. Maybe the team knows something about him we don’t. Or maybe they just figured that he’s so old at this point that he will be past his peak by the time he gets his shot here.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
There's probably something in his medical file we don't know about.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 12, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm assuming either that
or that his fastball has lost some movement. Or that he’s been a bad influence in Durham. There’s something though.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Between Salas and Orvella
So many “closers of the future” that have disappointed at the ML level. I still contend that Maddon is the reason Orvella sucks now, but that’s a story for another time.
I know many on here loved Salas, but he just wasn’t impressive at all in his time in the majors. His fastball velocity, either through no longer using ’roids or whatever the reason, was not nearly what it was cracked up to be in the minors and his control was far too inconsistent.
Hello.
closers of the future are as real as the Loch Ness Monster
If you want to see tomorrow’s closer, look at today’s starting rotation in A ball
by Jason Collette on Feb 12, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Please, only against lefties, Maddon
use him right and watch him make hitters look stupid.
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
Look at it this way
We lose Salas but probably get Morlan back
I meant the cheater comment.
We can do w/o throwing players (especially former Rays) under the bus. He did his time, let it go.
I refuse to compromise my position
on the roids issue simply because a player may have played or is playing for the rays. They ALL need to be exterminated from baseball. Hopefully that is not a problem here.
And btw, is it merely coincidence that his numbers never returned after his suspension?
That's fine, if you want the quality of the game to suffer.
More people use/used than we’ll ever know, kicking each out leaves us with a bunch of fringe and replacement level players. Actually, they may have used too, 400k for one season on the bench would have me shooting whatever necessary.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 13, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
I'm aiming it at those
who now test positive
In Salas’ case, i agree with you, something shady in his medical, that may or may not have to do with roids
His numbers did return
He dominated AAA once again.
by Erik Hahmann on Feb 13, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
?
You said his numbers didn’t return. But…they did.
by Erik Hahmann on Feb 13, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
i would like the twins pick up salas
TB Rays in 09!!!
Salas needed a change of scenery, it was doubtful he was going to get back in the pen here
that said, I wouldn’t of minded keeping him in Durham as depth
now with Shouse and no trade, this is what I'm guessing the pen will be:
Nelson
Balfour
Howell
Shouse
Wheeler
Bradford
Niemann
Bradford is out 3-4 months
Cormier should replace him
I can tolerate him.
If he doesn’t pitch through an obvious injury, I’m not going to berate him for attempting it, but the moment he’s limping in between pitches and has zero control over anything? That’s when I’m going to be irritated. Obviously I’m not thrilled paying him 4 million given our current roster construction, but it would be revisionist’s history to say I was against the signing from the beginning.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 13, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly my thinking.
I thought it was a good signing at the time, one with more risks than usual, but given the Rays situation very reasonable. And when he was healthy, he pitched very well. The problem was, of course, health, and apparently a stubbornness of trying to pitch through injuries rather than admitting he was hurting the team.
If he is healthy, and that is admittedly a huge IF, Percival can be a very useful reliever. I do not want to see him on the DL; I want to see him in the bullpen where he can earn his salary. It will up to Maddon to assess whether he can do that.
So lets see
Bradford on the DL and I still think Percy will join him at first
Brian Shouse
Joe Nelson
Jeff Niemann
Dan Wheeler
J.P Howell
Grant Balfour
So lets assume Price makes the rotation and we give Cormier the final spot. Can we find a trade for Hammel out of no where or just cut him? Also…..please send some cash to the Sox, I like Derek Rodriguez
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

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