Rays 2008 Outfielders by wRAA/UZR
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 13, 2009 5:48 PM EST
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Dave Cameron put together this wonderful graph that charts 2008 outfielders by wRAA & UZR.
Quick rundown:
Upper left = Good Bats/Bad Gloves
Lower left = Bad Bats/Bad Gloves(notice Delmon Young)
Lower right = Bad Bats/Good Gloves
Upper right = Good Bats/Good Gloves
So where did the Rays outfielders fall in 2008? I set the qualifications to 300 PA/600 innings in the outfield so we have four qualifiers. Surprising the Rays had three outfielders in the upper right quadrant or as Cameron calls it the place where Carlos Beltran, Grady Sizemore and Nick Markakis hang out. The Rays also had one outfielder place in the lower right quadrant(bad bat/good glove) where Carlos Gomez lives. So who went there?
B.J. Upton was no surprise as a member of the upper right club. He finished with a UZR of 7.8 and lead Rays outfieders with a wRAA of 14.3. He should only improve on this in 2009.
Carl Crawford appears in the lower right portion joining Gomez and Franklin Gutierrez. We all know CC had a down year in 08, I'm happy to report he would've been in the upper right club from 2004-2007 and figures to get back there in 2009.
That leaves two outfielders on the Rays and two members of the upper right club. This mean that the good bat/good glove group includes: Gabe Gross and Eric Hinske. Hinske barely makes both with a UZR of 4 and a wRAA of 4.6, but he still makes the club and should be a good value for the Pirates this year.
Gabe Gross, who is often categorized as average or not that good turns out to be pretty damn good. Defensively, he was well above average with a UZR of 15.0 which was right behind Crawford. Offensively, his wRAA of 1.3 means his bat was just good enough to get him in the high rollers club and was higher than Corey Hart, Kosuke Fukudome and Jay Bruce. I'm not saying Gross is on the level of Markakis, Sizemore or Upton by any stretch, but he's a lot closer to those players than a lot of people give him credit for.
| Name | wRAA | UZR |
| Crawford | -3.7 | 18.8 |
| Upton | 14.3 | 7.8 |
| Hinske | 4.6 | 4 |
| Gross | 1.3 | 13.1 |
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Very nice chart
One of my favorite posts this month
by RaysTheRoof on Feb 13, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is that guy all the way at the top
Manny or Berkman? I would have thought that Manny would be further over to the left.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 13, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thats Manny. His UZR last year was a combined -2.3 in LF, but was -20.0 in 2007
It’s the old "don’t read into one year of defensive stats" rule.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 14, 2009 5:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean that Hinske was not actually a massive liability in the field?
Or just that the Ray’s limited his field time effectively…?
B Rad the Ray Fan
by B Ray on Feb 13, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OMG GABRAHAM SUCKS!!!!111!!!111
Anyway, as I was lying in the puddle, I think I may have found a way for us to get Bonds and Griffey, and we wouldn't have to give up that much.
~George Costanza~
by Sandy Kazmir on Feb 13, 2009 9:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's really a shame that his defense completely sucked balls in the World Series
that’s what 99% of people end up remembering
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Feb 14, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Game 5 of the ALCS
otherwise he was solid all season, but yep most people say oh yea he sucked in the playoffs.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 14, 2009 5:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gross's production should only improve as he sees fewer ABs against lefties.
And he’s still got a really good RF arm. I’m surprisingly excited about our platoon sitch in RF this season.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Feb 14, 2009 2:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The last graph seems wrong!
… as CC is in the upper left quadrant for good bat and bad defense! He should be in the lower right quadrant with good glove and bad bat, right!?
by BurGi on Feb 14, 2009 4:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correct, in Cameron's chart he'd be in the lower right
but we couldn’t find the chart that he used so this was the best we could do.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 14, 2009 5:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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