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Tampa Bay Rays Sign Jason Isringhausen to Minor League Deal

Wee!

People are going to hype this move as the Rays "adding an established closer" and such, but here's a fun game, tell me who Player A is in this comparison:

Isringhausen last three seasons, average win value: -0.2

Player A last three seasons, average win value: -0.3

Both are ALL-STAR CLOSERS and usually hurt as of late.

Of course, that doesn't mean I'm complaining about this deal. Depth is good and I'm willing to discount Isringhausen's numbers due to some obvious injury issues. For instance, if you take 2005-2007, Isringhausen is worth ~0.1 wins per season, which is a realistic expectation for him in 2009.

Izzy's fastball has remained between 91-92 on average along with a high-80s cutter and a high-70s curveball. To his credit, Isringhausen does have a history of inducing groundballs and oddly two of the past three years have seen an uncharacteristically high amount of homeruns. Whether that's due to Isringhausen or simply a luck thing is a guess at this point. Isringhausen's strikeout rates have been right around his career average as of late, but recently inflated walk rates and homerun rates have sunk his efforts. Hopefully, two side affects of his torn flexor tendon.

Here's a look at Isringhausen's PitchF/x data in 2007 and 2008:

Isringhausen07_medium

Isringhausen08_medium

Oddly, it seems that Isringhausen's fastball moved more horizontally but less vertically. Izzy's change-up remained the same, but his cutter was flat, which sets off alarms about his homerun totals. Let's hope that cutter is back with health.

Best case: ~3.5 FIP reliever in a set-up type role.

Worst case: Retires.

Most likely case: ~4.5 FIP reliever.

On a minor league deal, and for substantially less than what a certain similar reliever is making, you can't hate this deal. The Rays continue to add potentially useful depth in their minor league system with low-risk, medium reward types. Morgan Ensberg, Adam Kennedy, the boat of middle relief types, and Isringhausen may or may not add value to the 2009 Rays, but you can't fault the thought process behind any of these moves, regardless of the result.

Lancaster has more salary information:

Updating, 8:45: The value of Isringhausen’s deal will be based largely on how often he pitches and in what situations. It sounds like he could clear $2 million with frequent appearances in 2009, and bump up even higher than that if he ends up in a closing role and accumulates a lot of games finished.

TBO

If Isringhausen is healthy, he should be worth 2 million.

Oh, and every member of "Generation K" has now been acquired by the Rays at some point in their career. Fun.

Star-divide

Player A is Troy Percival.

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Awesome!

What a deep relief corps. I would love for this signing to end up like when St. Louis signed Percival mid-2007.

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Feb 20, 2009 8:28 PM EST reply actions  

Please stop signing all of our unwanted players

You are acting a lot like the Cubs.

vivaelbeñsheets

by vivaelpujols on Feb 20, 2009 8:30 PM EST reply actions  

At least the Rays are taking

the Cardinals’ unwanted players at no real cost, unlike the Cubs. Who shell out millions for Aaron Miles.

I'll be the one overrating these Faberge' eggs, thank you very much!
Future Redbirds / PAH9

by erik on Feb 21, 2009 12:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Last time we signed a former late inning cardinal RP

It was Percy

This should go better…..

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Feb 20, 2009 8:37 PM EST reply actions  

Just look

Durham Bulls

C John Jaso
1B Chris Richard
2B Adam Kennedy
SS Reid Brignac
3B Morgan Ensberg
LF Justin Ruggiano
CF Fernando Perez
RF Matt Joyce(to start the season)

SP 1 David Price(Read: Joyce)
SP 2 Wade Davis
SP 3 Mitch Talbot

SU Dale Thayer
CL Jason Isringhausen

That would defaintley put up a fight with some MLB teams.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Feb 20, 2009 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Question

How many wins do you think our AAA team would get if they played in the Central or West divisions?

Friedman is trying to assemble the best AAA team ever.

by dannythegreat on Feb 20, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, big name, decent risk, probably not significant.

The only real value is if Izzy happens to return to past glory. Bullpen filler isn’t that important, and the Rays already have enough of it.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 20, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, if he somehow gets ~0.3 wins I'd be shocked.

But whatever, as long as he’s not worth negative value…

by R.J. Anderson on Feb 20, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Signing

I think this could end up being a very good signing. If Izzy can make the team and give us an ERA under 3.5 then it was a success. But i beleive that he could return to is old form…somewhat return.

by CCisawesome on Feb 20, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

I was just thinking this over

And I oddly like it a lot. I think Percy is done but Izzy just needed the surgery, I don’t see him making the team but if he does, I actually see him being very solid.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Feb 20, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions  

seems like a spectacular deal

the guy was lights out one of the top closers in the league for 8 year straight. he obviously fell off last year, but that could be attributed to injury. if he’s back healthy, i hope he’s our closer.

by davidsmarch on Feb 20, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Alright, question

Locks are

Shouse
Nelson
Niemann(long term when Price is in the rotation)
Wheeler
Howell
Balfour

Lets assume Percy is on the DL, we know Bradford will be…..think Izzy takes that last spot over Cormier and Hammel?

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Feb 20, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions  

Goodness

Every time a random, cheap potentially valuable bargain is brought up, he seems to be signed by the Rays within a week. You guys have no weakness.

BCB || Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 21, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

Seems like just another no risk, unlikely but possible benefit(s) deal.

The only way Isringhausen makes the team is if he demonstrates he can contribute and if injuries or ineffectiveness plague enough relievers. Otherwise he either fills out Durham’s roster or is let go. No risk, but possible benefit if he does prove repaired enough to help. In that case, either he plays a role here or is appealing to some other team mid-season.

I don’t think he was ever as good as mainstream media and their fans thought, nor as bad as some Cardinal fans seem to think now. He seemed to me always a useful reliever.

by bobr on Feb 21, 2009 8:33 AM EST reply actions  

As bob said no risk, but potential reward signing.

Following the trend of Wigginton, Norton, Pena, Hinske, Reyes and now Kennedy and Ensberg. The worst case scenario is he never pitches for the Rays and thats no big deal. However, if healthy he could easily be a 4 FIP and a good insurance policy. From the reports I’ve read, it doesn’t seem like he’s fully rehabbed, so I guess he’ll work on building arm strength and things of that nature in spring.

As a Mets fan in my youth, Isringhausen was my favorite pitcher. It’s a shame what injures did to him, but glad he’s had a productive career and hopefully can help the Rays.

by Tommy Rancel on Feb 21, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions  

No

worst case scenario is that he wins a spot out of spring training, forcing out a better player, and then sucks. See, e.g., Ken Hill, Hideo Nomo.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Feb 21, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course, the Rays might select the poorer performer in the spring,

but why consider that likely? I suppose that is a worst case scenario, but very unlikely. And even if it does happen that he makes the team and then sucks, how long a leash do you think he would have? Chances are whoever he beat out would still be in the organization and ready to step in.
 
I suppose the losses he might create could ruin the season, but that appears to me extreme pessimism. The more likely case is that he shows enough in the spring to get sent to Durham to build up his strength and then either performs well enough to be promoted or is released.

We can imagine worst case scenarios in every signing. Perhaps Kennedy does so well in the spring that the Rays decide to trade Aybar or Iwamura only to have Kennedy revert to his 2007 performance. Or Ensberg hits like mad this spring and edges out Aybar or Zobrist with similarly disastrous results. Or Joyce outplays Gross so clearly that Gross is traded and pitchers in the AL discover a huge hole in Joyce’s swing that makes him useless even against righties. What reason is there to think the Rays would be so rash in any of those cases?

by bobr on Feb 21, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Isringhausen probably dropped his delivery a small distance last year from the year before, whether he knows it or not.

by ultxmxpx on Feb 28, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

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