Rays Signing Veterans For Depth. Why Not Ivan Rodriguez?
Since Andrew Friedman seems to be in the mood to sign still capable veterans for around the league minimum, why not take a flyer on Ivan Rodriguez? The Rays don't need much at this point with starters, backups and backups-backups in place, but if you ask me the one position the Rays are lacking major league ready depth, it is catcher.
Now the backup catcher isn't the most important person on the team, but should Dioner Navarro go out for an extended period of time are you really comfortable with a Shawn Riggans/Michel Hernandez tandem? Are we prepared to see the defense of Riggans and John Jaso share the catching duties?
These past few signings show that Friedman and Co. really want to have major league ready depth and who available is more major league ready to play catcher than Ivan Rodriguez? Aside from the speculation and "only god" knowing if he was/is on the list of the 104 positive tests from 2003, Rodriguez is still a useful catcher and a much more attractive option than Riggans or Hernandez.
Offensively, Rodriguez has declined over the past few years, but even at his advanced age, he's still better than Shawn Riggans and the Rays wouldn't even let Michel Hernandez swing a bat. His walk rate is bad, not just bad, but really bad. In 2007, he accumulated 515 plate appearances and walked nine times. But we're not asking him to be Pudge circa 2000, we just need him to be close to Dioner Navarro and as you can see in 2008 he was pretty close.
Over the past three seasons, Pudge has been on average a 2 WAR player. Navarro over the past three years has been a 1.4 WAR. And while that depends a lot on playing time, if he puts up a similar wOBA(.317) in 2009 and accumulates around 200 PAs, he'd be still be worth close to a win over replacement level or about $4 million dollars.
The biggest plus for Rodriguez is he can still play defense, and his arm at age 37 is again better than Riggans. Over the past three seasons, Pudge has thrown out an average of 28.8% of potential base stealers. Riggans was 1 for 24 in the category a year ago and he also has the tendency to give up the dreaded passed ball.
While this may just be a figment of my imagination and me just passing time on the weekend before spring training, I see no downside to making a move like this. Assuming Rodriguez is comfortable with playing for around the league minimum and serving as a backup and mentor to the one they call "little pudge", it seems to work out for both sides.. Rodriguez gets a shot a being a useful player on a championship caliber team and the Rays get another quality veteran for pennies on the dollar.
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NO NO NO to Pudge
This juicer is a cancer in the clubhouse
He was a real cancer for the Marlins, I tell you what.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Feb 21, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with Raymondo
If we get in a pinch we just throw Zobrist back there. SH catcher with a close to .500 slg last year, holy cow
Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.
I don't think...
… Pudge would want to be the most-days backup AND play for near-league minimum. That’s just the kind of vibe I get.
by Rays of Light Scott on Feb 21, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions
Marlins have been offering him 300K
and the starting job against lefties and he wont accept it, guy still wants millions.
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
I know he still thinks he's a top tier guy
and that’s fine he can think that and retire because nobody is going to pay him millions. I even said this only works assuming he’s open to a backup roll and low salary. Thats the only way it makes sense for the Rays. If not it’s no big deal. It’s not necessarily a need, but the catcher position is just lacking the depth that the other positions have. Personally, I wouldn’t pay him anything over 800k.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 21, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Ensberg is willing to play in the minor leagues, because thats where hes at in his career. If we could sign Pudge to play AAA ball for awhile in case something goes wrong, Id be all for it. Pudge wont do it.
Also, Ensberg is kind of liek Pena and Hinske where he showed some success at one point, and still is young enough to recapture that success. Pudge isnt going anywhere but down. There is added value in that for Ensberg
Pudge's best days are
so far in the rear vuew mirror, radar can’t pick him up
Look at Tigers PB and WP the last couple years
Look at his offensive numbers
Ask pitchers how he handles them
I don't particularly have a dog in this fight.
Because I can understand the thinking either way, but Shawn Riggans is not a defensive wunderkind and brings little offensively. Rodriguez is an upgrade, but I don’t really see him taking a reserve gig for reasonable cash.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Leyland got rid of him
cause he was sucj a poor clubhouse guy, when he was sharing time with Inge
He is not what we need
Riggans or Jaso are ok
I don't know if that's true or not.
Kennedy had issues with LaRussa which lead to his release, is he a cancer? Trying to classify clubhouse behavior is pretty pointless.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
LaRussa is a very polarizing manager
I personally think Pudge is pretty well done, and yet still views himself as aneveryday C, therin lies the problem
Im sure all the free agents see themselves as everyday players
Do you think Adam Kennedy thinks he should be the 2B for the Durham Bulls or the St. Louis Cardinals?
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 21, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
And Jimmy Leland is not a polarizing manager?
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 21, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
dude, this isn't a me v you issue
I just don’t happen to think Pudge would be a good addition to the Rays
Maybe you do
I guess Andrew wll get the final say
assuming he’s open to a backup roll and low salary
Where does Riggans go? Riggans is a quality backup, we dont need Pudge or any other backup quality catcher
much more attractive option than Riggans
no hes not. Riggans has really good potential defensively, you can tell from watching him. I feel very confident with his defense, regardless of some of his bonehead plays last year as a ROOKIE
Pudge is not good defensively anymore, and he cant hit at all.
Ill take the young guy who has nowhere to go but u, over Pudge. And if Navi gets hurt Id rather see Riggans/Jaso then have PUdge in the picture
On top of all of that, Pudge isnt going to ride buses in the minors. He may take a minor league deal, but hes going to go somewhere that he sees an opportunity. And thats not going to be here. Id much, much rather have Riggans backing up Navi then Pudge
For one, RIggans is 28.
That’s not all that young and should all but end the “rookie excuse” talk.
Next, he threw out 1 out of 25 baserunners.
Also: can you please proofread your comments? Everyone makes a few typos and mistakes, but dude, your messages are awful. It takes 30-40 seconds to proofread for typos and I’m sure everyone would appreciate it.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
And I'm serious about proofreading.
Make an effort.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
"and he cant hit at all."
-4 wRAA, that’s pretty damn good for a catcher.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=c&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=300&type=1&season=2008&month=0
Middle of the catching pack.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I'll take the bait
Riggans has really good potential defensively, you can tell from watching him. I feel very confident with his defense, regardless of some of his bonehead plays last year as a ROOKIE.
Riggans was a good defensive catcher in the minors, I’ll give you that, but from what I could tell from watching him, he made some pretty dumb plays and is pretty awful at throwing. 1 out of 25 is bad and 28 years old is far from the true sense of the word “rookie”
Pudge is not good defensively anymore, and he cant hit at all.
You say Riggans and his 4% caught stealing is good, but at 37 years old, Pudge throws out 32.4% and that isn’t good…ok.
and he cant hit at all
2008 Rodriguez .276/.319/.394 or 2008 Riggans .222/.287/.407
I’ll give all you all the “pudge isn’t going to ride buses” and I never said that Pudge would be open to a minor league deal, but if he was open to the idea of being a backup, he’d definitely be an upgrade over Riggans(and I like Riggans) or Hernandez based on the offensive and defensive numbers.
by Tommy Rancel on Feb 21, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
Neither Pudge or Riggans impress me, I would like Jaso to get a shot.
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
Michel Hernandez
Tommy: I think you should be more careful about bad mouthing a player. Michel Hernandez did not have 507 AB’s in 2007. In his minor league career he walks almost as much as he strikes out. Were you thinking of the Hernandez at Baltimore? Two different people.
So many guys wont have a spot
We don’t need Bonds now
Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart
The Bonds love was a cheap, above league average DH.
We have one now.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
"Also overrated"
That implies that Bonds is overrated. That’s a lie.
by R.J. Anderson on Feb 21, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions

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