3/13/09 GDT: Rays @ Jays; Hernandez and Hammel Battle

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 11:01 AM EDT

Game Time: 1:05

TV/Radio: None

Lineups:

Pitchers: LH Carlos Hernandez, RH Jason Hammel, LH Brian Shouse

Things to watch: Obviously the lineup is not one of the things to watch. No regulars and a mix match of infielders playing in different positions including two in the outfield.

Interesting to see Carlos Hernandez picking up another start with Jason Hammel working out of the bullpen again. The two figure to go around four innings a piece with Brian Shouse being the only other scheduled pitcher. Today could go a long way in deciding the fifth starter's role.

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Ugh

Yesterdays lineup and pitching made it feel like the season was close. This lineup looks like ST is first starting today.

Umm, Hammel, work on your trade value or something.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 13, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions

Any chance Bringac is our starting 2b next year?

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 13, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions

Maybe

More likely in the second half. Aki’s option for next year is below-market anyway, so unless the team gets in a huge financial crunch, they’ll pick up the option.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh

I was under the impression they wanted nothing to do with his option.

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 13, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe not if the market keeps collapsing

but at worst the option should make Aki a useful trading chip

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions

"Elliot Johnson, CF"

Oh deary me.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions

THE DARK HORSE

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions

What a guy

Bat Burrell

PHILADELPHIA (AP)—Pat Burrell isn’t with the Phillies anymore, yet the City of Brotherly Love is still close to his heart.

The former Philadelphia slugger took out large ads in two of the city’s largest newspapers Friday to thank the fans for their support during his nine seasons with the club.

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions

And that's after they booed him.

I can only hope B.J. is so kind to use when he leaves. :(

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions

NO NO NO NO NO NO

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions

He'll probably just have his PR rep post an ad on craiglist, since he's too lazy to approve a print version.

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs

REC'd

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions

I find it brilliant that your signature is for a site called "milfhunter".

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions

not sure why that came to mind when I changed it. Probably wont last too long though.

www.milfhunter.com

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

I find it brilliant that you aren't familliar with milfhunter.

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions

I don'tt think that's what he said.

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

But is that what she said?

…….I’ll show myself out.

by ReasonableDoubt on Mar 13, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Off the top of my head, the only LFer who might be better than Carl is Endy Chavez.

And he’s getting up there in age so his true talent defense is slipping.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Gutierrez?

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions

CF now.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions

What????? They have the kid for CF

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

So was mine.

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Don't ambush CC like that.

by ReasonableDoubt on Mar 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions

OHAI! WHY YES MLB I DID PAY 15 DOLLARS TO LISTEN TO NOTHING ALL SPRING

/bends over

by ReasonableDoubt on Mar 13, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions

So I'm beginning to think Garza doesn't really know when he started throwing more fastballs.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions

How about this little chart I put together for 2008

Name OBPa Slga OPSa
Garza 0.306 0.377 0.683
Shields 0.299 0.409 0.708
Kazmir 0.309 0.418 0.727
Sonny 0.309 0.448 0.757
Jackson 0.356 0.444 0.800

That was with Garza getting off to a pretty weak start. Hopefully him and Navi start on the same page from the gate.

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions

Not to go Joe Morgan on you, but his fastball usage was quite consistent.

We’re talking about 70% usage for each of the three sets of 10 and about 93 MPH as the average velocity.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions

What are you babbling about?

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions

His quote about fastball usage.

We’re going to pound it to death over the next two days.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions

What was his Called Strike/Swinging Stike % over a period of time?

What about o-swing?

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Just figured SwStrk%

1st 10 starts Swstr%: 4.8
2nd: 8.2
3rd: 6.3

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions

CalledStr%: 1st: 17% 2nd: 14% 3rd 15%

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Note: these are out of total fastballs thrown, not overall pitches.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions

So they were taking a lot earlier on and then started to get more aggressive in the middle

and then kind of tapering off at the end. I think what killed him in the beginning of the year was the once a game temper tantrum after a guy missed a play. He couldn’t settle down after that and always led to a big inning.

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions

We’re going to pound it to death over the next two days.

TWSS

But yes, this weekend is Matt Garza weekend @ DRB.

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe he was throwing it earlier in the count more as opposed to relying on it once he got behind.

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Should I do average balls/strikes in counts when he threw it?

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions

This might not work.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions

THIS

Is a good story

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 13, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions

Briggy is getting a hit today. so is Zoby

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions

I'll put a buck on Briggy at 2:1 and 5:1 they both get a hit.

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd be happy to be the bookie with those odds

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions

ok

so that means $5 for both of them? sorry i’m new to the bookie game

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

and if briggy gets a hit but zoby doesn't

thats $2 for me but $5 for you., correct?

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions

If Briggy gets a hit but Zobrist doesn't

You both break even. Bookie makes two bucks if neither gets a hit, he makes 7 bucks if both get a hit.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

huh?

so how does “bookie” win with the 2 extreme outcomes? [both hitting or neither hitting]

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions

What I meant was that if briggy 0'fers you owe me a buck, if he gets a hit I owe you 2

If they both get hits I owe you 7 if neither you owe me 2. You can either take the first bet or both?

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions

You pay me two bucks before the bets are on

One for the Briggy bet, one for the both bet. If you lose, I keep the money. If you win the Briggy bet, I pay you $2. If you win the both bet, I pay you $7 ($2 for the Briggy bet, $5 for the both bet). Over the course of numerous bets with similar spreads, I should end up making money, since there’s probably only about a 2/7 chance that Brignac actually gets a hit and about a 4/49 chance that both get a hit (2/7 × 2).

In other words, if you’re willing to take that risk, the bet heavily favors the bookie, unless I’ve miscalculated the chance that one of them gets a hit.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

No you're right thats why I offered it

Briggy is not a .500 hitter so 2:1 favors the bookie, and even if they were both .300 hitters, which they are not and never will be, there would only be a 9% chance of having to pay out the 5:1.

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I interpreted your statement to mean that you wanted to make that bet

which is why I offered to be your bookie.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions

ok this makes sense

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Joyce

Still just under a week away but looks like we finally have a date of his debut

Also, Matt Joyce, sidelined all spring by right lower leg tenditinis, is tentatively scheduled to make his exhibition debut as the DH on Thursday.

And Izzy will pitch this weekend. Still don’t know about the Bossman :(

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 13, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions

Gameday

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_03_13_tbamlb_tormlb_1

by j.j. on Mar 13, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions

Also heard that Wade Davis, DePaula, and Talbot made the trip

But on the official probables list I saw, only Hernandez, Hammel and Shouse were scheduled. Im guessing the extra three are incase pitch counts get out of hand.

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions

Davis is pitching tomorrow, I thought.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions

He's on the list of probables, but given his status Im sure it doesn't really matter how they use him

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Sonnanstine is slated to start Monday with Price in relief

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 13, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

As it should be.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope Sonny and Price pitch on Monday

That game will be on MLBN.

Hello.

by killa3312 on Mar 13, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

YESYESYES.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Kid Cudi is quickly moving up my listening charts.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions

Really?

I am listening to more of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJQVlVHsFF8

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 13, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

THIS IS WHY WE LEAVE THE FUNNY TO ME.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions

I'M HOOKED ON A FEELING YOU BASTARD!

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Growing up in Germany

David Hasselhoff was a huge influence on Edwin Jackson, He even went as far as trimming his chest pubes in a similart style, and rocking the same haircut, this is all true

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Jesus, WTF dude?

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I wish I was high on believing

That shit is potent

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

One shining moment.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions

You know what else is potent? Turbo Boost.

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

It's crazy that that show predicted exactly what the future would look like

Eerie man

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions

I believe this is the 2nd time a Hoff/KR reference has been made in the last week or so, I guess I can break this out a little early

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions

How long have you had this?

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions

A few weeks now

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

That took some self control.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

I thought of it as a little more a dragonball reference, since it's about the stupidity that is a live-action movie.

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions

When did they go

“Yo this is a great idea for a music video lets do it!”

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 13, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Los Hern

seems to be pitching well today. 2 k’s through 2 with a walk and a hit. nice insurance at Durham ya gotta figure

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

Cuse game from last night starts in an hour on the ESPNU if anyone wants to see the greatest game ever played

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions

Anybody happen to know what channel ESPNU is on in the Brighthouse Tampa Cable package?

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

NM, I don't get the channel without the Sports PAK

Blech

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by kericr on Mar 13, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions

156 maybe?

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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Mar 13, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

UNC gets another garbage call at the end to win

ACC blows

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions

UNC gets a call?

Meh, I don’t feel like breaking out the surprise face.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

www.raysprospects.com

by Imperialism32 on Mar 13, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions

you guys act like they're the Celtics or something

was that definitely a foul? I was leaning toward jump ball, but I guess it could’ve gone either way

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't get me started on those dick devils.

I really hope Orlando beats Boston in the ECF like the Rays did in the ALCS.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions

yes.

or the Hawks in a re-match. that’s my dream. I want to see Paul Pierce cry and I want to see his snot run down his face on national television

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Then Dwight goes

“ANYTHING IS POSSSIBAAAAL” while riding on a boat.

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 13, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

ACC officials just cream themselves over shades of blue.

It’s redic. I hate that retard Special T. He’s like Simple Jack on steroids.

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

I love that UNC had 4 second half fouls against a team that drives the hoop.

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Anyone have any content requests before we get this season going?

I know we offered it before and got some good feedback.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions

I want to know Longoria's BA in 2014

get it right,

I’m actually working on a piece involving walks that should hopefully be done by the end of work if I don’t do any of what I’m supposed to do

Why yes, I am this big of an asshole in person.

by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 13, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Briggy must love me.

he can’t stop hitting now

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions

He's SILLY!

by rglass44 on Mar 13, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Dude, check the 'tar.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions

i approve

by daveh33 on Mar 13, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions

So Carlos Hernandez failed.

Somewhere Tommy cries.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 13, 2009 2:52 PM EDT reply actions

what do you think is going to happen to him?

DFA?

by plasticman on Mar 13, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I think it's time he and few other less than ideal players get re assigned

Paging Matt Spring. The dude has ONE AB.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 13, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions

You need lots of catchers

So the pitchers can warm up early on in spring training. Matt Spring wasn’t brought in to contend for a job, he was brought in to catch pitchers throwing off a mound for the first time in months. If he got an at-bat, it’s probably one more than he deserves.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 13, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions