Rockies Interested in Jason Hammel Rays Won't Skip Fifth Starter's Turn; Pirates Interested In Niemann

by Tommy Rancel on Mar 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT

Edit: Fanhouse is saying the Rockies are now showing interest in Jason Hammel. This makes no sense whatsoever, considering Hammel's fastball has the tendency to become bleacher treat, but alright, whatever.

While we've speculated on many names for the fifth starter spot, most of us have assumed the Rays, like other teams, wouldn't have much use for a fifth starter in April because of scheduled off days. However, Skipper Joe Maddon says that is not the case and the Rays rotation will pitched as scheduled regardless of off days.

"We don't like to skip guys, even though it's early on," Maddon said. "We like to play all five guys if we can. And that way as the year progresses, you take advantage of that off-day and use all five. We don't like to just skip all five. So [the fifth starter will] pitch right from his first start." --MLB.com

This changes the complexion of the situation a little bit. Most of us figured that by the time David Price made his return the fifth starter would've made around 5-7 starts, but if Maddon is shooting it straight here then there is a chance the fifth starter could see 9-10 starts before that happens.

As for the candidates themselves, we still have no word on who it will be. Maddon has expressed that he would like his roster settled by Wednesday when camp breaks. Reports surfaced earlier today about the San Diego Padres being involved in trade talks for Jeff Niemann. The Times reports that the Padres have also asked about Jason Hammel. I have also heard from some sources close to the Pittsburgh Pirates that there is interest in Niemann from Pittsburgh's side, but in any case a deal was not imminent.

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As for today's game, Matt Garza looked good in six innings of work. He gave up three runs on eight hits and walk. He struck out five batters. Lance Cormier continues to make a strong case for a roster spot with another scoreless inning of work. Troy Percival worked another perfect inning for the Rays.

Matt Joyce says we will have a better idea on who's making the team tomorrow when plans for the exhibition games in Philadelphia are announced.

"I think (Tuesday) we'll all know more where we stand and who is making the trip to Philadelphia (for a pair of exhibition games prior to the season-opener)," Joyce said. "Whether you're at Triple-A or in the big leagues, you've got to work your butt off to get up here and stay here."--Naples News

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So I guess Hammel is gonna win

Just don’t trade Niemann for garbage please.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions

The more I'm thinking about it, I don't know if whoever gets the 5th starter's spot is really "winning"

Whoever gets that spot, the Rays are just going to try and get them innings, raise their value, and ship them off for Price to come up. So it depends how you define “winning”…if they want to be major league starters, then yeah, it’s winning. But if they want to play with a contender, staying in the bullpen with the Rays would be ideal for them.

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by Steve Slowinski on Mar 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions

If they keep Niemann, they can use him as an effective long reliever like they wanted to do with JP Howell last year when they didn't think they'd be good.

Whereas if you keep Hammel, essentially you’re regulating one man in your bullpen to mop-up duty in blowout wins and losses. Niemann can be trusted to come in during a close game where your bullpen is spent and have him go 3 innings without fearing he’ll give up a big one.

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by kericr on Mar 30, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions

How about

Jeff Niemann and 2 good spects for Tabata or McCutchen

Pirates are so loaded of OF’s and Neil Walker will probably have to move there. I think we can get one of those guys.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT reply actions

DUDE! that trade is too lopsided.

how about niemann for mccutchen straight up?

by yeseggs on Mar 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

It would take more

maybe not incredibly more but they wouldn’t do it straight up.

Imagine CC – Upton – McCutchen

Sorry Joyce

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't like Tabata

I’ve always thought he was extremely overrated as a prospect, and based on what he did after he got traded, he’s probably overvalued at the moment. I doubt the Pirates part with McCutchen under almost any circumstances, barring an offer they can’t refuse (i.e. if we offered Davis and Brignac and Niemann, or something else equally ludicrous). I don’t know why they would care whether Walker has to move either – he’s a busted prospect. He can’t hit and he can’t field.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions

not a fan of cutch or tabata.

by daveh33 on Mar 31, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions

Cutch at least is a plus defender in center

so even if his bat never improves beyond where it is right now (which is probably around Gabe Gross level), he’ll still be a valuable player. Tabata doesn’t have much value if his power doesn’t develop, and considering how thick his lower body is already, I don’t think he has much projection left, despite being very young.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 31, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions

Tabata's wife?

by Raymondo on Mar 30, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions

How is he married to a 42 year old that steals other peoples kids

talk about a bad decision

by Sveet on Mar 30, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions

pure speculation but maybe marriage for citizenship?

by walkoffwalk on Mar 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

More than likely

It was a big scandal a few years ago. About 30 minor leaguers were denied visas because of it.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions

This is great news

ideally you want several teams in the mix so you get more

my bet is a deal with Pads—Towers ain’t too smart

Katteras for Wells?

by Raymondo on Mar 30, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions

towers.

he aint to smart in drafted(though the ownership didnt help), but he is the guy who got chris young & adrian gonzalez in one deal…

by liquidmuse3 on Mar 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions

*too

*drafting…damn ;o)

by liquidmuse3 on Mar 30, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions

but jp ricciardi

by walkoffwalk on Mar 30, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Towers is plenty smart

But he’s had his hands tied the last couple years because of ownership issues. He’s not in the upper tier of GMs, but he’s not Duquette dumb either.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Maybe it's just me, but is anyone else not excited about trading Niemann

I still think he can be an effective reliever. We better not be keeping Izzy over him

by Sveet on Mar 30, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions

plus the return on him seems to be very low

at least from what is being reported

by Sveet on Mar 30, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Doubt it

For all the Izzy talk, I can’t see him making the team. I can see him maybe going to Durham with a handshake agreement that he’d be the first guy called up.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions

And then there were 3

Additionally, Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse says the Rockies have jumped in on Hammel.

Hammel for I don’t give a fuck. Let Niemann be the #5, give Cormier a RP spot and well, unfortunaley, see how Hammel does in Coors.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions

Hammel for Matt Hague,Jim Nebrych,or both?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I like Negrych

He’s another one of those Jed Lowrie/Dustin Pedroia overachiever types, but the fact that he had to be moved off of 2B really hurts his value (and besides, how many 5’8" third basemen do you see?). Still, as much as I like him on a personal level, he’s due for a lot of regression (his line drive rate and speed won’t sustain a .413 BABIP like he had last year), and he doesn’t have the power to carry his bat at a position other than middle infield.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Might as well get EY Jr.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Oh hell yeah.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

Matt Murton!

After all these years, could the Rays finally acquire Murton?! Murton still has an option (he was optioned to AAA today). I’d take Murton for Hammel. Thanks.

Drew

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Mar 30, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

Hammel in Coors would be scary

On the bright side, his fastball couldn’t get any flatter there.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Hammel in Coors is going to lead to homeruns being a topical norm, and that's going to end in disaster.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Chris Nelson plz.

I still believe! according to BA’s 09 book, the “Sheffield-like bat speed is still there”

by daveh33 on Mar 31, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions

Hammel to the rates for Grossman(Toolsy OF prospect)?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions

doubt they'd do it.

I’d take that in a heartbeat

by daveh33 on Mar 31, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Can anyone tell me what the Rays are looking for?

Where are they weak? What could they use?

by plasticman on Mar 30, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions

Position prospects.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions

I want a powerful 1B that is roughly 2 years away

or 1 year away and 2 years away from making a nice impact.

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

That sounds reasonable to me

by plasticman on Mar 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

personally I think they could use a 1b prospect

don’t have anyone as of now to succeed Pena

by Sveet on Mar 30, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Smoak or Alvarez would have been perfect

another OF wouldn’t hurt either

by Sveet on Mar 30, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Matt Murton!

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Mar 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions

I meant OF prospect

sorry if that wasn’t clear

by Sveet on Mar 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

He needs a chance to play.

If he were given the chance to play, he’s certainly better than both Gross and Kapler.

Drew

Eduardo Morlan = God.

by Devilray187 on Mar 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

ehhhhhh....maybe?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

When is Pena's contract up?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

After 2010.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions

If we did that,what would we do with Sheridan?

try and move him to a different position?I mean the guy has some power but he can hit for great average

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions

and by that I meant trade for a 1st base prospect

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't really think we should be worried about Sheridan this far away.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

catching prospects, IMO.

by yeseggs on Mar 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Whats the point? navi's gonna be around for a while, and Jaso isn't exactly shabby.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Why not?

I would definitely take a catching prospect, most likely one with question marks, for Hammel.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd just rather have a MI or toolsy OF, they seem like bigger org needs than a catcher when we have:

Navi
Jaso
Spring
Jeffries

Are all in our org and considered at least possible to contribute at the ML level.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you really considering Spring a prospect?

Come on now…

Also Jaso has concerns about sticking at catcher and Jefferies dominated HV, let’s give him another season or two before treating him too kindly. Look at Nevin Ashley. I would add Mayobanex Acosta to that list though.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Spring isn't a prospect

and there are questions about whether Jaso and Jeffries are actually catchers.

The guy in my signature is about as likely to be a competent major league catcher as Spring.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

So Eric young jr. has been worth 5 PER at 2B the last 3 years.

GET HIM GET HIM GET HIM GET HIM.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions

OH AN HE SEXY

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 30, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions

you think the Rockies would give him up for Hammel?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Points to Holliday trade

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Him or Fowler

Who do you like more?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Fowler, no question...

But i like EY more than most.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Fowler is like their best prospect.

They won’t deal him for Hammel.

EY is down the list a little, not much.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Who would take over at 2nd after Aki leaves?

Johnson,Zobrist,Aybar?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Aybar/Brignac/someone we don't have yet.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm hoping Brignac gets traded

His average is falling while his defense is rising.He strikeouts way to much for a possible 10- 20 HR guy.How much value would you say he has?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions

You list all negatives, yet include defense rising. I'm concerned.

And I wouldn’t deal him, I think he’s Khalil Greene.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Well do you think he can get back to his 06 form hitting .300 with 20+HR?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm going to be completely honest when I say I really don't care how many homeruns or what his average is

As long as he has enough power and contact skills to overcome low walk totals for a decent offensive profile.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions

true

As you can tell I dont know much about contracts right now so when is Bartlett’s up?
I mean Brignac would probaly only play 1 or 2 years for the Rays before Beckham comes up

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Then Brignac can shift to second.

It’s not really a matter of Bartlett’s deal being up (after 2011),but rather him being too expensive and only marginally better than Brignac, if at all.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions

speaking of 2nd,how much potential do you see in Tim’s Bro Jeremy?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Fringe player at best.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions

wasent expecting much from him

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

AA roster filler, if he gets lucky

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Just read this please

http://www.draysbay.com/2009/3/24/807861/keystone-question-akinori

by Erik Hahmann on Mar 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

ew, ew, and if we can't find someone better yes.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Mar 30, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

http://www.draysbay.com/2009/3/24/807861/keystone-question-akinori

by Erik Hahmann on Mar 30, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

you dumb.

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 30, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions

You fat

by Erik Hahmann on Mar 30, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Rather be fat than dumb.

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Mar 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions

I would kill Steve Harvey for Hammel/EYJ

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Two times in one week....nice

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Mar 30, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

I hope that homerun ball punctured his heart.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

He's got pecs of steel now.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Mar 30, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions

May I dare ask

Where did you find that picture?

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Google.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Mar 30, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Why are the Rays apparently looking for young pitching?

I know you can never have enough young pitching, but wouldnt this be a good time to go after a projectable young 1B or OF? Someone like Tabata would be awesome.

by BossmanJunior333 on Mar 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT reply actions

What about trading both Hammel and Niemann for a single, better pitcher?

Then when Price comes up, trade the temporary 5th starter?

That way we don’t kill ourselves with either Hammel or Niemann.

by plasticman on Mar 30, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions

You're insane!

Oh… wait.

by plasticman on Mar 30, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions

while your at it,

trade davis,hellickson,Barnese,and Moore

by thedudeofdudes on Mar 30, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

weiters, please.

by walkoffwalk on Mar 30, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Price+ Hammel for Smoak/Cruz or some sexy young pitcher like Martin Perez

by daveh33 on Mar 31, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions

Hm.

20) Delta Cleary, OF, Grade C: Uber-toolsy guy is very raw but stands out for high ceiling.

by R.J. Anderson on Mar 30, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions

I wonder if his parents were big fans of Designing Women?

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Mar 30, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Hmmm...

I like.

by rglass44 on Mar 30, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Tool? Did someone say tools?

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Mar 30, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I just can't wait to draft this year's Revere/Hewitt!

by rglass44 on Mar 30, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Revere is not uber toolsy. He was considered an overdraft.

Hewitt on the other hand…toolbox!!!! Bo Jackson toolsy!

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Mar 30, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Hmmm...

Weird. I thought he was very toolsy. Maybe I was more thinking Hicks.

by rglass44 on Mar 30, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions

revere is a hitting machine

trade niemann to the pirates for McCutchen!

NFL-Lions,Vikings,Texans,Bills
MLB-Rays,Twins,Marlins,Reds
NBA-T-Wolves,Cavliiers,Warriors,Bobcats
NHL-Wild,Penguins
NCAA-Gophers,Gators,Longhorns,Fighting Irish
all in the order in which i root for 1st

by RaysOfHope on Mar 30, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions

He's fast and he can hit

but projects to be a high average leadoff guy. He can play CF, but has a noodle arm. Hicks is uber toolsy. 5 tool player who would have been a first rounder as a pitcher.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Mar 30, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions

OK. That's what it was.

I know Revere led in average last year, so I guess I should have none better.

by rglass44 on Mar 30, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Hicks Gomez and Revere

i cant wait for this OF for the twins

by RaysOfHope on Mar 30, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions

I can pretty much guarantee that Span will be better than at least one of them

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions

or Delmon

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 30, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions

i could see seattle getting in on hammel or niemann as well

by RaysOfHope on Mar 30, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions

Where you see that?

Jeff Clement? Well…..before anyone thinks I am insane, they seem down on him all the time. I would love to have Morrow but he wont be dealt and we have too many pitchers already

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

oh you COULD see that, my bad

I can also, Morrow is going to be a RP, can they trust Ryan Rowland Smith? Also Bautista, and Washburn are coming off the books and Silva is awful.

If Morrow goes back to being a SP

Hernedez – Bedard – Morrow – Niemann – Rowland Smith is pretty damn sick

Evan Longoria and David Price - the fight for my heart

by joeybw on Mar 30, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions

What about??

Steve Pearce for Niemann?

by Schnoah on Mar 31, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions

or Grossman from the Pirates?

by BossmanJunior333 on Mar 31, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions

the Rockies have a logjam

that involves Jeff Baker and Ian Stewart. … and they still have Chris Nelson.

I think we could send Niemann plus someone young for Stewart/Nelson.

by daveh33 on Mar 31, 2009 2:38 AM EDT reply actions

One of these things is not like the others

I’d think that the Rockies would do Niemann for Nelson straight up. His star has dimmed quite a bit, and he’s pretty much a tools bust at this point. Stewart, on the other hand, is doing pretty well, and I think the Rockies still like him long term better than Baker.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 31, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions

Personally here is what I'd do

I’d trade Hammel now. He isn’t going to get is anything great regardless so we might as well bite the bullet now. Allow Jeff to throw in the 5 starter spot. If he pitches well then his value will rise tremendously. The fact that he has no options would be quite irrelevant at that point. Sure teams know we want to move him, but the number of teams interested should rise dramatically due to poor performance, injury, or just loss of concern due to seeing Neimann pitch in the majors. At that point we should be able to score a guy that at least has the potential of being an impact player in the majors in 2 or 3 years.

by matthan on Mar 31, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions

Agreed

This is what I’ve been saying for months.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on Mar 31, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah pretty much

I can’t wait for goobers to say we never should have traded Hammel when he goes on to excel in a pitchers park.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Mar 31, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions