You dislike Garza, yet think Edwin is valuable? That makes sense.

Otherwise, I don’t see how you can compare this trade to Zambo for Kaz. Completely different make up entirely as has been discussed so far.

In my opinion, I think you may be off though as well in suggesting that if Edwin becomes a #3 starter Detroit wins the trade. From our gains in the trade our Joyce (say what you want, but we have him for 6 years, in that time he either makes good on his promise or we spin him for another spare part down the road) AND Price. Now obviously we didn’t trade for Diamond Dave, but if Edwin is still here then Price has no shot at the rotation this year. Similarly, Detroit’s gains would be Edwin Jackson. That’s it, and in fact you can argue that now this blocks Zack Miner. Another loss would be that he was a plus defensive corner OF on a team that will employ Carlos Guillen and Magglio Ordonez next year. Granderson covers a lot of ground, but I don’t see how he can cover for both of those guys.

Victor Zambrano?

Seriously, other than Jackson’s once lofty prospect status, the analogy fits Zambrano better than Scott Kazmir — both are/were inconsistent major league established starters who others look at and think they can “fix” in fifteen minutes (Rick Peterson reference). In both cases, their value is as much potential as actual performance to date. Both had ERA’s that masked 4.90-5.10 FIP’s. No, it’s not a perfect analogy, Zambrano was a few years older and lacked hype due to his late start in pitching, but the analogy makes more sense than a Kazmir comparison.

I guess part of the problem is some expected the Rays to get another Kazmir-type highly-rated prospect talent in exchange for Jackson, which simply isn’t fair or reasonable to expect.

At any rate, I’d speculate the “worst case” is the Rays get “Grieve’d”: acquire a good, young bat (not as long a track record of success as Grieve but more team control, cheaper and better defense) who for whatever reason just doesn’t pan out, but is their any evidence to suggest this “bad luck” scenario is likely?

Could Jackson put it together where Zambrano failed? Could Joyce turn into another Grieve? Possible, but what is the likelihood or evidence suggesting either or both scenarios occurring, thus turning this into a “Kazmir’d” deal?

But anyways, I think Sylar was just messing with the fiddle catnip this weekend.

Your reasoning for disagreeing with a VERY SMART front office is always lacking, and frankly it’s beginning to wear on me. The only thing you have ever done here is disagree, agitate, and hype a video game. Sorry if you get a “greater than thou” (which is a new saying I guess) vibe, but if you want to argue dumb ideas take it elsewhere. There are some great discussions here that really don’t need to be derailed by somenody playing the “look at me game.” The internet is full of places where you can get your fix.

I’m sure that’s never been done before.

Look at his numbers in the minors versus Jackson. He has had success in the minors and has translated it to the bigs.

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I agree with that view completely. He may represent as well as anyone a pitcher who, based on his peripherals, is unlikely to sustain good performance for any length of time. Of course, you might reach the same conclusion just by watching him pitch.

That said, his results so far have not been terrible, bleeping or otherwise.

"Gary Glover came on to finish the eighth, stranding a pair of runners in the process. He’s stranded 11 of the 12 runners he has inherited this season."
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So you knew it was a false statement I made in the beggining of the year, yet now you’re acting like I stuck with that forever? WTF man, which way is it?

Or it was a scam, either way.