The Colorado Rockies Apparently Love Bleacher Treats; Still Exploring Deal for Jason Hammel
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2009 1:02 PM EDT
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Tucson — As they say goodbye to a respected veteran, the Rockies are attempting to say hello to a new pitcher, exploring trades for the Cubs’ Chad Gaudin and Tampa’s Jason Hammel.
Hammel, who is out of options in his bid to land the fifth spot in Tampa's rotation, is a prime target for the Rockies because he's a big arm and young. But to get him, Colorado will have to make step up in a trade given interest from other teams.
Of all the places Hammel could land, Colorado seems like the absolute worst for him. He's close to even on career balls hit in the air and on the ground, but has nasty tendency to leave flat fastballs over the middle of the plate. Like so. StatCorner's park factors have Coors Field at ~122 HR/FB, the Trop is listed as ~99. That means Coors gives up about 20% more homeruns. Again, that's about the worst possible spot for Hammel to attempt and work out the kinks.
If such a deal occurs, Hammel may need a chiropractor.
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SHHHHH
Don’t let the Rockies’ brass see this one.
UHHHH, what I mean is Jason Hammel is a young pitcher who is still developing who could be excellent in Coors.
Also, because Hammel’s fastball is straight to begin with, he might not have as much of a Coors effect.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
What he said.
Seriously, I dont want to see any posts about Jason Hammel unless they are praising his dominant curve ball and his high ceiling. He just needs a chance to succeed!
He has 4 Major League pitches
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Also
If Joyce does mash, how about the Rockies as a trade partner for Gabe Gross? Their corner outfield situation is pretty dire at the moment, and we all know how much they love Jesus over there.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 1, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This would be a good idea
Can I has Seth Smith?
by Jason Collette on Apr 1, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Dunno, they have a ton of outfielders, don't they?
Gonzalez, Fowler, Hawpe (I know.), Spillboroughs, Smith, and Murton.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Depends on how serious they are about rebuilding
If they’re in a playoff race, Gross is probably better than 4 of those guys right now. If they’re just rebuilding and not trying to contend, then get Gonzalez and Fowler the playing time instead.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Anybody know
if they are rebuilding though? Don’t seem like it
by CB,DT,LB,OR DE is what we need on Apr 1, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus you only need to win like 75 games to win the NL West
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eh, I dunno
Gross is probably better than Smith and Murton, possibly Spilborghs as well, but I dunno about Gonzalez, Fowler, or Hawpe.
AL East 2009:
1. Rays
2. Sox
3. Yankees
by FloridaownsFSU on Apr 1, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
good find.
I was talking from a pure-offensive standpoint. I never knew Hawpe was such a butcher in the field.
AL East 2009:
1. Rays
2. Sox
3. Yankees
by FloridaownsFSU on Apr 1, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't even including Hawpe
Only because the Rockies’ GM has made it obvious that he could give a rat’s ass about defense.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Based on what?
Constructing the best fielding team (in terms of fielding percentage) in baseball history (2007 Rockies)?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 4, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions
thanks man...I like this place already.
AL East 2009:
1. Rays
2. Sox
3. Yankees
by FloridaownsFSU on Apr 1, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Haven't the HR slowed down there?
balls keep in humidor?
The air is still thin
The humidor has reduced much of the park effect for hitting, since the pitches have more downward break when the ball has mosture, and it’s reduced some of the HR effect because the ball is a hair heavier, but the air is still thinner than the rest of the league, and putting the balls in a humidor just makes the balls more like the balls that are thrown in other ballparks around the league (Arizona aside).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Runs have dropped, yeah.
02 PF: 116
08 PF: 107
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the Rays are looking to improve the future talent waves, hence the AA and below reports.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah just read the other thread.
ok… so Wilin Rosario and EY Jr should be our targets.
Parker Frazier and Delta Cleary are interesting
Cleary stuck out to me.
Of course, so did Robbie Grossman.
I’m turning into a tools tool regarding the return price.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Grossman a lot too
seems like a perfect fit for what we are looking for. A young toolsy outfielder with lots of projection. Can he be traded since he was just drafted this past summer?
by BossmanJunior333 on Apr 1, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The Rays should sign Bob Vila, Tim Taylor, and Meynard Keenan
That should solve their tool fix for a while.
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by kericr on Apr 1, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
zong.
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
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Yet you dont mention the best drummer evar
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I don't know what Dave Grohl has to do with tools.
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You out'cho God Damm mind
Seriously. He’s ‘good enough’, and that’s about it. He messes up way too much.
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Agreed. I meant that he's a tool.
Best drummer ever = Moon/Mitch Mitchell
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Apr 1, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Moon was a drum-savant.
No lessons ever. Just a natural drummer.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Apr 1, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
OIC
Zoom!
You really could make a solid case for about a 1/2 dozen at least to carry the ‘best drummer ever’ title, but I think the only one who could fit the tool moniker is Tommy Lee.
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Cleary isn't really tradeable yet
He could be a PBTNL I guess, but the Rockies like him a lot and probably wouldn’t be willing to part with him other than in a big deal. They just paid him a signing bonus in the $300k range, so they do have something invested in him.
I’m a big fan of EY Jr. Not so sure why others aren’t. Great on base skills, great defense, runs like the wind. Keep in mind that his minor league stats will all be hyperinflated though. All of the Rockies’ minor league affiliates play in severe hitter’s parks now (for obvious reasons).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
yeah I don't see them trading Cleary. or any really young/toolsy guys for Hammel
which is why I was looking at their higher up guys who are stuck.
am I the only one who likes Nelson?
Did you also like Joel Guzman?
Nelson is a busted prospect at this point. He’d be eligible for Rule 5 next year and minor league free agency the year after that. He’s coming off a year when he was injured half the time and ineffective the other half, and has never hit well other than a half season in Modesto. I mean, I’d take him for Hammel, but barring some kind of miraculous turnaround where he suddenly turns his tools into skills, I wouldn’t get too excited over him.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
Guzman was never as highly praised as Nelson, right?
he always had question marks.
Nelson has had a Briggy-esque career, including busting up the Cal-league at age 21.
Nelson was also a Top-10 pick. and from what I read in the BA handbook 2 days ago, he still has “Sheffield” bat/wrist speed.
Nelson’s 07 in Cal: .287/.357/.499 in 605 PA. 9.3% BB, 15.4% K%. .212 ISOP .318 BABIP
At their respective best
Guzman was considered a much better prospect than Nelson ever was. Guzman was a top 10 prospect in baseball at one point. Both of them have always had questions, Guzman about his work ethic, and Nelson about his inability to hit enough to play outfield.
Nelson didn’t “bust up” the Cal league when he was there. He was otherworldly for half the year and stunk up the joint the other half. An .856 OPS in the Cali League is barely above league average.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I didn't realize Nelson was still playing short though
I thought I remembered them moving him to CF.
Maybe he can hit well enough for middle infield then.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
I love Willy, but it never hurts to have another MI with quick wrists and quick feet does it?
Nelson was the 9th pick in the draft not too long ago.
injuries… surgeries…. some disappointment yes… but the 1st round talent is still there… I know it was only the AFL last fall… but he’s still got it.
You said you love willy
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Okay, going off of Sickels honorable mentions:
Others: Sam Deduno, RHP; Stephen Dodson, RHP; Thomas Field, SS; Jon Herrera, INF: Dan Houston, RHP; Shane Lindsay, RHP; Tyler Massey, OF; Matt Miller, OF; Brian Rike, OF; Kiel Roling, 1B-C; Aaron Weatherford, RHP; Keith Weiser, LHP; Corey Wimberly, OF-INF; Kurt Yacko, RHP.
Anyone worthwhile?
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 1, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm.
I like Roling and Yacko. I have no idea how highly the Rockies think of them, but I’d gladly take either for Hammel. Roling showed some serious power in his brief stay at rookie ball. Yacko has a K/9 of 14.70 in rookie ball as well
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Rosario is a top four prospect in the organization
There is not a chance in the world he gets traded for Hammel. Even if Iannetta is still around when Rosario breaks through, Iannetta is a prime candidate to move to first when Helton is done. EY Jr doesn’t fit with Tampa’s demands, and I don’t see O’Dowd parting with him anyway. In the end, I don’t see a trade happening though.
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 4, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions
let's get to know Chris Nelson a little bit better.
Probably going to be removed...
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Apr 1, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Albert Chen
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 1, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions
interesting
since I have LAD TB…. yet, DBacks are my darkhorse… if the Dodgers fall for some reason [injuries/manny], then the DBacks could go all the way
I still dont understand the Yankees love fest.
How many of these same guys picked the Yankees to win it all last year. You would think at some point they would figure it out.
I don't think they adequately replaced Abreu and Giambi, cannot replace A-Rod, and got older everywhere
Seriously, Jorge is going to catch all year? Great staff, but the Rays and Sox also have stout pitching. Sabathia was great last year, but here are his numbers with Cleveland. If injuries are going to be the difference would you rather have a bunch of old mares or some young stallions?
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
Teixiera isn't an adequate replacement for Giambi?
And if you mean at DH, then the replacement is Matsui, who was out most of last year.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
The same Matsui that has played 287/486 the last 3 years?
I’ll believe it when I see it. Will Nady get off to the start he did last year on a hapless P’s team? Will A-Rod be able to come back and do what he does? Will Burnett stay healthy? Who’s gonna drive Joba to the games? Gardner can flash leather, but can he hit? Will Damon BABIP at .331 again? Will Sabathia get off to the same start as last year? How many games is Jorge going to catch? Was last year closer to Cano’s true ability than the prior two where he put up unsustainable BABIPs? Is Angel Berroa, Melky Cabrera, Molina, and Swish a great bench? Do they have anyone that can hit at AAA if they need a guy to come up? I just see a lot more questions than people are letting on to. The games are not played on paper nor in a simulator.
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
Hmm
That Reminds Me, Is teixeira at his prime, upside, or downside?
by CB,DT,LB,OR DE is what we need on Apr 1, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Also you gotta think
that it will take a pretty damn good year by AJ or CC to replace Moose’s numbers from last year.
I see why people like them but I don’t buy it. Their D is very, very suspect and I don’t love their bullpen. Also you have to figure AJ misses time and you can’t rely on Pettitte for a full season at his age, can you?
I also can’t wait for Beejay, CC, MVB & Aki to run on Jorge all day long.
If you take the talent we have right now and put them in pinstripes with the NY media hype machine (and ESPN) and EVERYONE would pick them to win it all. IMO.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all." -Earl Weaver
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 2, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
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