The Bullpen
Okay, I planned on addressing Gabe Kapler, and I will, but first things first; the bullpen. Lance Cormier, Joe Nelson, and Brian Shouse have been fine, good even. The rest have issues, let's talk about those issues in a (mostly) nice and cordial manner.
Cormier has been used in mostly low leverage situations thus far this season. None of his own fault, that’s simply his role given the current bullpen construction. Cormier has gotten 11 groundballs compared to only seven flyballs + liners. Good. Cormier is essentially replicating his 2008 season all over again, and that’s fine. Perfect as far as the last man in the bullpen is concerned.
Nelson has been similarly effective, and should find his way into higher leverage situations as this season progresses. His change-up has proven effective versus lefties -- as you would expect – and he was used well today, despite the odd timing of his entrance.
Shouse’s raw data is a bit unpleasing, but once you dig past the fact that entering today he has seen double the amount of righties as lefties, it’s easy to understand. He’s absolutely shut the southpaws he has faced down, exactly as asked.
Okay, now on to the others.
Howell has been decent, although not nearly to his 2008 levels. He’s getting less winging strikes, but more called strikes along with less balls. He’s also allowing an absurd amount of line drives and flyballs. Howell has groundball heavy splits throughout his career, he’s not suddenly turning into a flyball pitcher. Once that rights itself he should be fine.
Balfour has been wild in the past, but this is even too wild for him. 47.5% balls entering today, his previous high was 44.7% in 2007 for
We warned about Wheeler’s pending regression all off-season. His BABIP will not stick at .400, but it’s not going to come near .200 again. Whatever the hell is going on with his release point and velocity might be beyond his control and that’s a terrifying – yet somehow calming – prophecy. If he’s hurt and struggles that’s understandable, if he’s completely broken down, that’s more than reason for concern. Small sample size and all, but his flyballs rates are up again and his line drive percentage matches his groundball rate. Oh deary me, please go the other way.
And then there’s Percival. I’ve been fine with giving him another shot. The injuries, it was probably the injuries last year. Well, either he’s still hurt and lying to everyone, or he’s just toast. The sample size is still too small to say with any certainty, but yet again he showed next to no control over any of his pitches. Two of his three curveballs land up and in to righties, the other was fielded by Michel Hernandez after a bounce. His low-90s fastball was thrown mostly down the middle. The thing is, his fastball still has some movement, in to righties, so if he’s trying to run it in to righties – despite being what the break indicates he should be doing – then he’s lost control of the pitch, that or he can’t aim for the outer corner.
Honestly, the upside here is limited. Percival’s been over replacement level two of his last five seasons. Projecting a 4.9 FIP going forward puts him above replacement level, and honestly we have the talent in the Triple-A bullpen to replace Percival’s performance and even upgrade it. Percival seems entrenched in the closer role despite being Todd Jones at this point, and that’s reason enough to want a replacement reliever. At least if it’s a non-Jason Istringhausen type, he can be pushed and pulled to the extent of his performance and not to the extent of his relationship with the manager.
Percival should not be in the game during high leverage situations but that seems unfeasible given the circumstances. That means either he needs to go on the DL, out the door, or to the back of the pen. The organization has shown a willingness to accept sunk costs in the past, with Dan Miceli, Shinji Mori, and Chad Harville. It may be time to eat another one.
If you’re looking for someone to replace, it’s Percival. If you’re looking for a way to replace them, do not look towards trading an asset like one of the young starters. Relievers are highly fungible. Odds are, who we have the same odds of working out as those in other organizations. Also don’t consider moving David Price or Wade Davis to the pen. Both are far to valuable to the franchise’s future to consider advancing (and shifting them to the bullpen) for minimal gains this season.
This is a matter of construction as much as personnel. The Rays seem to have five relievers who will be fine, Wheeler who could be useful when avoiding high-leverage situations, and Percival. Ultimately people are going to freak out because of those two, but honestly the situation is far from being that dire. This is the problem with establishing roles and signing players with those roles emphasized. Percival is the weakest pitcher on staff and yet has the highest leveraged job. That’s not a good combination, and it needs to be fixed.
You can play the results based analysis game all you want concerning Percival’s save success rate, but eventually the processes are going to bite the team in the ass.
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Wheeler needs to go to the DL
Bring in Thayer, see what’s going on with him. Persy needs to retire, or find some sort of spiritual leadership. Because the crap that he pulled today is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. The Rays deserve better that what he was giving. Crap.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 15, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Percy is a great pitcher
in a beer league.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 15, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beer-Belly league
Fixed it for ya
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Apr 15, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two striaght games that bull pen cost us.
I don’t care if Sonny was pulled in the end of the 5th or not. That’s not championship baseball.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 15, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep!
But why get all emotional over a few games? We all realize how patient Maddon is and there will be no changes anytime soon. If there is an immediate change it is because there is no dominant arm in the pen to go to for the sure out.
But there is this 6-5 LHP in Durham that I would absolutely love to see in the 9th inning starting tomorrow. I realize “King” David will 99% be a SP, but hey, I’d rather see Price coming out of the pen right now more than any other reliever at this juncture.
Just thinking out loud.
by ConnorManning on Apr 15, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also could we have made Edwin be a closer/reliever? Or was he demanding a SP role?
by Sylar on Apr 15, 2009 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Joyce is more valuable than Edwin the reliever.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 15, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but is Joyce more valuable than a Percival replacement right now?
by Sylar on Apr 15, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
I think you’re overrating how much relievers are actually worth. Plus, there’s no guarantee Edwin (or whomever) would be in these situations in place of Percival.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 15, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not looking at it as my normal Joyce is terrible; i'm looking at it as a "what if we waited till next year to get rid of Ejax"
Granted I have no idea when his contract runs out
by Sylar on Apr 15, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ejax was out of options.
So if we would have held on to Edwin we would have had THREE pitchers out of options. Four, if you count Cormier.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 15, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I believe that Jackson was arbitration eligible, IIRC he would have cost over 2 mil, which would have been too much to pay for a reliever.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Apr 15, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ding, Ding, Ding!
He’ll be even more valuable considering it is my belief that he Joyce was traded for to replace C.C. next season.
by ConnorManning on Apr 15, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
Edwin didn’t have good numbers first time through the order. That’s normally a tell-tale sign of a pitcher that CAN’T be converted to a bullpen arm. If you look at JP Howell you will See a guy who was money first two times through the order. Then after the third at bat his BA against grew and by the fourth time JP saw the opposing batters he was getting lit up like a tiki torch.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 15, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about LRP?
Although I guess that would be kinda pointless compared to just being the fifth starter and Niemann being the LRP
by Sylar on Apr 15, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sincere when you ask whether Joyce is more valuable than a long-reliever?
Because if not, please stop being a troll, and if you are, good lord man.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 15, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too inconsistent.
You want your LRP to do eat up innings and try to salvage an ugly situation. EJax was erratic and inconsistent at times. Yes, at times he was awesome. But, at times he was awful.
In the name of Shinji Mori, we shall win!
by thebaddancingraysfan on Apr 15, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddon(at least going into this season) seems to honestly believe that Wheeler and Percival were his 8th and 9th inning guys.
They are probably the two least effective pitchers on the staff. This leads to dissapointing results.
I am confident that Howell and Balfour will be fine, I think that Balfour is now worrying too much about breaking pitches, they need to get him back to worrying about pounding the strike zone first.
The Yankees were a PITA to us last year too.
by twenty5psi on Apr 15, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was fine today
his slider induced an out, a grounder to be exact and it looked pretty good on gameday so don’t worry about his breaking stuff?
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by Some other guy who does not care on Apr 15, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why i am not a Balfour fan
one defining moment was his epic battle with Bobby Abreu, where Abreu doubled and beat us
It’s Balfour in a nutshell
And now he can’t find the plate
by Raymondo on Apr 15, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you honestly going to pick out one plate appearance from his entire sample size and point to it?
Come on, you’re better than that.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 15, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Balfour
I am more worried about Howell and Wheeler. But, you could pick Balfour’s STFU moment if you want to pick particular AB’s
by Lithia Rays on Apr 15, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame him, he's just racist against the Aussies.
Kangaroo-punching mutherfugger.
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by kericr on Apr 15, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read this after posting on the other Percy fanpost
And completely agree across the board with RJ. There are better (or at least not worse) options at Durham, and those players actually have the ability to get better. No one is going to take Percy, or his salary, off our hands. His only value to us is in low-leverage situations (i.e. the types of situations you’d rather be using to groom young pitchers).
It was fun while he beat his peripherals with grit, pixie dust, or whatever. But it’s not working anymore, and making matters worse, Maddon has shown he will continue to use him in high leverage situations so long as he is on the roster.
Something needs to change..sooner rather than later.
by GomesSweetGomes on Apr 16, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps a firing of Maddon?
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by Sylar on Apr 16, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard from others who have actually seriously suggested ridiculous crap like this
I’ve never been in the school that blames the manager for putting players in the roles they were signed to fill. Hell, I even give Dusty the benefit of the doubt on this issue. If the Rays don’t want Percival as their ‘closer’ that decision needs to come from the top, not the bottom.
by GomesSweetGomes on Apr 16, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say.
You don’t blame the manager for putting someone into a position were they will fail? Why would this not be the managers fault? It’s on the manager to know their players talents and place them accordingly. My opinion would be the flip side. I’d have a tendancy not to blame Percy for Maddon putting him in a position to fail. Maddon has to know better and remove his relationship with the player from his bullpen management.
Maddon has not done this with Percy. He’s almost too loyal to a fault. We’ll most likey see more of Percy in the 9th before something changes.
NOTE: Not suggesting firing Maddon.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 16, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
It is up to Maddon to put his players in the best positions to have the team win. With the vast majority of the team he has done this. In the bullpen he has failed.
by matthan on Apr 16, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Percival stays on the roster
Maddon has to find somewhere to use him. And it’s not that much of a stretch for him to assume that he’s expected to put Percival in the role he was signed, and retained to do. Especially this early into the season.
by GomesSweetGomes on Apr 16, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maddon the last two years
Has been a great manager other than 8th and 9th inning bullpen usage. He usually gets Howell and Balfour in there at the right time, but frankly those guys are good enough that any time is the right time. For some reason he just thinks Wheeler and Percival are better than what they are. For all the good things that he does this is truly his achilles heel. I’m not sure if the call has to come from Friedman or if Maddon can figure it out himself, but Percival is a really bad pitcher.
I know last year we had a mini debate on the value of managers. This is one scenario where the impact of a manager is pretty large. I think we can say bullpen usage has cost us one of these last two games. That falls on Maddon to be honest. He is the only one that doesn’t think Percival will give up a run.
And of course I’m not saying to fire anyone so don’t even respond like that. This is just a major huge sore spot for him.
by matthan on Apr 16, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"For some reason he just thinks Wheeler and Percival are better than what they are."
I’m not sure I agree here.
I would assume Maddon and the FO have a very good working relationship and all parties are well aware of the skill set of these two. My guess is that they are sending them back out there to verify what they already know.
Due to Maddon’s loyalty, it might take a bit longer to pull the trigger than normal, but I hope not.
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by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 16, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We scored 5 runs the last 2 games
bullpen or not I don’t see how we should have won either of those games.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 16, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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