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Jeff Niemann Gains Control vs. White Sox; David Price Makes Strong Start

I hope this doesn't become a meme around here, but the Rays wasted another good effort from their starting pitcher. However, this time the offense was the main culprit as the Rays would knock on the door, but only score two runs. The offense is definitely frustrating as R.J. pointed out last night. The Rays are getting on base and getting into scoring position, however if somebody doesn't put the ball over the wall they don't score. But I'm not here to talk about the offense; I want to talk about the improved start by Jeff Niemann.

We all know how Jeff Niemann's first start went. He let five runs across before getting one out, however, last night he was much better and allowed just two runs in six innings with both of the runs coming off a Jermaine Dye two-run shot in the second. Other than that home-run, Niemann was unspectacularly spectacular.

We barely saw any movement on Niemann's fastball last night, yet it was well located. He struck out three batters, but only got around 6% swinging strikes. Even though he gave up nine hits, the only trouble he got into was the sixth inning and well that's a whole other story. Regardless of how he got into that jam, he was able to get some key ground balls off his fastball in that inning which was a welcomed surprise. 

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In something we saw quite a bit with some of the Rays harder throwers last year, Niemann took a little velocity off(about 1-2 mph) of each pitch in order to have better control. If you look at the strike plots from game 1 to game 2, you can see that Niemann had much better control of his four seam fastball which is his go to pitch.

Game 1

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Niemann's fastball sat around 91 mph last night maxing out at 93. In the first start he was averaging closer to 92 mph and maxing out around 95. While he still threw the heater over 60% of the time (63%), the usage was down from his first start (67%). Niemann used his curve ball about 5% more last night or around 19% up from the 14% in Baltimore. He also went to his slider quite often. After throwing just one slider against the Orioles, he threw 10 against the White Sox.

As for release points and fatigue, Niemann's release point was consistent from start to start which is good. He is repeating his delivery which every announcer says "has a lot of moving parts." On the fatigue side, Niemann seemed to get tired in the fifth and sixth innings, but velocity wise he stayed closer to his average rather than just falling off the chart like he did six days ago.

While Niemann is now 0-2 with a 6.35 ERA/6.12 FIP, he is improving. I'd also like to point out that the Rays offense has provided him with two runs of support in two starts. Six of the eight earned runs he's given up have come on two swings. Personally, I'd like to see him strikeout more batters. When you are 6'9 with a mid 90's fastball you should be averaging a better K/9 than 4.76, which is leading me to believe that Niemann's calling is in the bullpen.

Beside the health factors, I just think if Niemann became a two pitch reliever, his stuff would be more dominating. He could come in and just pump 95 mph from a 7 ft release point and then break of a 78 mph curveball.  If Niemann moves to the pen, then you can either use him as the long reliever and bump Lance Cormier into higher leverage situations like you saw last night. You could also keep Cormier in his current role and put Niemann in the high leverage situations. Or even better, just use both in both roles.

Even if Niemann continues to improve, his time in the rotation is limited. Just look at this line from the Durham Bulls box score: 5 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 6 K's 65 pitches, 48 strikes, 16 first pitch strikes to 20 batters face, hit 96 mph on the gun(H/T to Sobsey). Yep, David Price is getting closer and closer.

 

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Great look Tommy...

I couldn’t agree more about Niemann’s eventual move the bullpen.

And WOW at Price’s line. Only 65 pitches!

by rglass44 on Apr 17, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Yea, Im surprised they took him out after 65. I guess they figured he was good enough in 65

I think Niemann has done well as a starter and I think he can be a good 4th of 5th guy, but his stuff maybe what our pen is missing. Remember Dave Cameron said yesterday that we have a lot of soft tossing RP’s beside Balfour and ugh Percy, so Niemann could be that fix.

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 17, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

My dad has a weird thing about rookies

He always says (especially common with NFL QBs) that they succeed because no one has seen them play yet. I always laugh at him, but I was reminded of it last night watching Niemann. Once hitting coaches note that his arm makes a deliberate and complete extension when throwing the curveball, its going to become an issue. It’s not just a slight different between the fastball throwing motion, either.

by PlayOnWords on Apr 17, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

This is somewhat true

a lot of times you see a guy come up for the first time and have a great 1st week or 2.

Then they start getting a book on you. Know where the holes in your swing are. Where you like the ball and don’t. Where to align the defense. Then a lot of times they go through a slump. The ones that belong adjust. The ones that don’t don’t. It doesn’t happen everytime, but it does seem like a pattern

by Sveet on Apr 17, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess....

But its not like these top prospects are some mysterious entity. They’ve all been scouted and I’m sure there is a book on all of them. Sure obviously it helps that there are more eyes on them once they reach MLB, but these guys have been looked at and scouted for years. If they have a hole in their swing or something in regards to pitching the scouts have already seen it long ago.

by matthan on Apr 17, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't generally put too much weight on the first few performances

But the motion tips the pitch, IMO, and I don’t consider myself an eagle eye. No one else has brought this up, so maybe I’m hallucinating it*.

  • - it being the last three games plz

by PlayOnWords on Apr 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Release points were some what similar on the fastball/curve.

However, you can see where is arm is extending a bit more

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 17, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Fantastic stuff. Hitting 96 on the gun.

74% strikes and a first pitch strike to 16 of 20 batters. I’d say that’s efficient

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 17, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

He touched as high as 98 on the night

the called third strike on the outside corner was the pitch that hit 98 MPH, and in the first inning, he struck out the final batter on a 97 MPH fastball and he in general was sitting 91-94 last night. He was throwing gas.

Hello.

by killa3312 on Apr 17, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

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