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Slumps & Regressions; Why The Tampa Bay Rays Hitters Aren't This Bad

Yesterday, R.J. made it pretty clear that the Rays are not this bad. This team is too talented and built too well to win at a .385 clip. The problem with the Rays right now is there isn't one area you can point your finger at and say here is the problem. While there have been flashes of brilliance in the rotation, each starter has had "that game" already where they just looked awful. In the bullpen, it's been hit or miss each time out. Joe Nelson, Lance Cormier and Brian Shouse have been steady; however you have to be a little concerned about the amount of innings the pen has already thrown (37). Offensively, the Rays have a few guys who are flat out hitting and a bunch who aren't.

Keeping with the regression theme, I decided to look at the BABIP of some of the hitters who are struggling. Now, BABIP isn't the end all be all when it comes to slumps, but if a player is maintaining his line drive, ground ball and fly ball percentages, and his strikeout and walk ratios are within normal, then a low BABIP could explain some of their struggles. Again, this is not a magic BABIP formula; this is just to show who may be due for some regression toward the positive mean in the new few weeks. Also keep in mind we are still dealing with a limited sample size of data.

Star-divide

Here are the guys who have been hit the hardest in the BABIP category:

Player

AVG

OBP

SLG

BABIP

C.BABIP

DIF.

Aybar

0.111

0.200

0.167

0.133

0.294

0.161

Burrell

0.225

0.319

0.350

0.258

0.303

0.045

Navarro

0.200

0.220

0.350

0.259

0.292

0.033

Kapler

0.174

0.240

0.304

0.235

0.301

0.066

Gross

0.136

0.321

0.136

0.176

0.285

0.109

*C.BABIP represents the players Career BABIP.

As you can see, quite a chunk of the Rays everyday lineup has been "unlucky" so to speak. Unlike pitchers BABIP, hitters have a say in their BABIP.  While Willy Aybar isn't an everyday player, he has been hit the hardest with a BABIP of .133 compared to a career BABIP of .294. All of Aybar's other percentages are within career range so it seems that he should turn the corner soon. However, the problem with Aybar is getting consistent at-bats to turn that around. Without an injury it's going to be hard for that to happen, meaning his early season woes could last a bit longer than your normal everyday player.

Next on the list with the biggest differential is Gabe Gross. Again, Gross, like Aybar, has been pretty steady amongst his other percentages; it's just the BABIP that seems off. In a positive, Gross has improved his plate discipline and has a BB% of 21.4. However, like Aybar, the problem for Gross will be getting enough at-bats. With the emergence of Ben "ZoRilla, BenZo, Late Inning Lightning" Zobrist, Gross's ABs could take a hit.

The last three on the list have all seen a drop in BABIP, but not as dramatic as Aybar or Gross. Gabe Kapler, the other half of the Gabe of the Day platoon, has had an awful start to the season. He's not hitting and even when he does, he usually screws that up once he gets on base. Defensively, despite having above average UZR marks, he still looks like he's guessing on a lot of balls and making up for it with his decent closing speed. Unlike Aybar or Gross, there is a peripheral percentage out there that sticks out like a sore thumb on Kapler.

As R.J. mentioned, the Rays are hitting a ton of fly balls this year and nobody has a higher fly ball percentage than Kapler. For his career, he has an average FB% of 34.7. This year that total has doubled to 70%. Now, there is no way he can sustain a 70% FB rate, so I expect his BABIP to normalize once his fly balls drop and his line drives and ground balls pick up. It seems to me that he is pressing right now and it's probably more of a mental approach than anything else.  

Dioner Navarro and Pat Burrell are everyday players. On most nights you can pencil them into the Rays lineup, so technically we should be most concerned with them. In Navarro's case, while it seems he's been a bit unlucky, and he has, I just think we're seeing an overall regression from 2008. I definitely expect Navi's slash to be better than .200/.220/.350, but I'm not so sure it will be as good as last seasons. One thing that Navarro needs to fix is strikeouts. Navi is striking out 30% of the time, which is double his career average of 15%. With the increase in K's has come a decrease in walks as in just one walk in 41 plate appearances so far. More plate discipline could go a long way in correcting Navarro's struggles.

As for Pat the Bat, out of all the hitters who are struggling, Burrell seems to be the one that is due for an instant turn. Almost all of Burrell's percentages are within line with career averages and his batting eye has improved with a 14% O-Swing. Burrell has hit more ground balls than normal and it could just be a matter of getting used to a new league. Once his line drives pick up, I think we will all see the hitter we envisioned when he signed, and it looks like that could happen soon.

On the flip side, there are two other every day players who are struggling, but have maintained a normal BABIP. Carl Crawford and B.J. Upton have "struggled" early on, but in their cases BABIP doesn't seem to be an issue.

Player

AVG

OBP

SLG

BABIP

C. BABIP

DIF.

Crawford

0.241

0.263

0.333

0.325

0.33

0.005

Upton

0.217

0.379

0.261

0.357

0.359

0.002

In Crawford case it's simple; TAKE A PITCH. That argument is almost a lost cause with CC because it's been the same for seven seasons now. Crawford is seeing the second least pitches per plate appearance (3.93) of the Rays regulars. The lowest is Jason Bartlett, but he's hitting and if you're hot, then you're hot and there's no reason to change your approach. However, Crawford isn't hitting and if you're not seeing many pitches, then you are not giving yourself a chance to get on base via the walk. CC has just one walk in 57 plate appearances this year and has a higher strikeout percentage (25.9%) than we've ever seen. I know Carl loves hitting second in the order, but he seems to be some what of a rally killer of late. Maybe a temporary drop down to six or seven would help, but that's unlikely to happen.

Quite the opposite of Crawford, B.J. Upton is walking and doing a fantastic job of it. Despite missing the team's first six games and most of yesterday, Upton is tied for the team lead in bases on balls with six. This is why Upton's OBP is still a stellar .379 even though he's barely hitting over .200. Upton is striking out quite a bit (39.1%), but is really just getting comfortable at the plate. Even though he was an active participant in minor league spring training games, it is a far cry from seeing major league pitching, and Upton is really at the tail end of his spring training right now. Hopefully the quad injury remains minor and Upton doesn't miss any time. Like most Rays hitters, he is hitting too many fly balls. Once he turns some of those fly balls into grounders and liners, everything should fall into place.

Another metric to look at when trying to figure out slumps and regressions is line drive percentages. Here are the LD% for 2009 compared to the career averages for the players mentioned above:

Player

LD%

LD% Career

DIF.

Aybar

13.3

17.9

4.6

Burrell

12.1

21

8.9

Navarro

10.7

21.3

10.6

Kapler

11.8

19.2

7.4

Gross

17.6

19.4

1.8

As you can see it, line drive and BABIP do have some correlation. However, Aybar and Gross have the lowest LD% difference despite having abnormally low BABIPs. Again, Burrell and Navarro are due for some bumps back to the norm.

Now for the Crawford and Upton line drive comparisons

Player

LD%

LD% Career

DIF.

Crawford

20

20.1

0.1

Upton

25

18.6

-6.4

 

Like BABIP, CC is right there within his career totals. If you were going to be concerned about a Rays' hitter slow start, Crawford would be the one, but CC is a notoriously slow starter. As for Upton, he is hitting a fair about of line drives, but just hitting them at fielders. With more power will come deeper liners, more gap hits and better results.

Small samples sizes, sure, but it seems that for a few of the Rays hitters the struggles are self inflicted. For the others, it seems that the law of averages should even out soon and regression to the mean is in order. Does this mean that because today's of BABIP and line drive rates that the Rays lineup will turn over on it's head soon? No, but it shows that some of these slumps are correctable and others just not sustainable. Hopefully, the day off and a fresh start on a different coast jump starts some of the Rays bats and we can go back to doing what we did 97 times during 2008 regular season; Winning.

 

Data from FanGraphs

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If Crawford keeps this up all season

then I wouldn’t be surprised if the FO traded him in the off-season and replace him with DJ. Or they could stick DJ in center and put Upton in left. The value of Crawford’s good defense is severely undermined by his horrendous approach at the plate. Of course im just guessing here, but I think DJ could match CC in UZR in left.

by RaysTheRoof on Apr 20, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok but which is better?

Deezy in CF or Upton in CF?

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Apr 20, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Deezy's guaranteed to be here longer.

I don’t know the difference in fielding,but both should be straight up bananas at a corner.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just thinking Upton's arm is redic

I’d rather have the better arm in CF if all else is equal or close? or move Deezy to CF, Upton to RF and Joyce in LF

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Apr 20, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would rather Upton play right than left.

His arm is awesome, and it would be wasted in LF.

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that's true

In general I think RF is rated as more difficult of a position than left, primarily due to the throw to third, right?

by RaysTheRoof on Apr 20, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I doubt there would be much difference

I’m pretty sure B.J. would still have the better arm so it’s a matter of where you want him.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Upton could stay in Center

I just have no real clue how good of a CF DJ is. If he is better than Upton then it would be logical to move Upton — of course Upton could move to RF.

DJ/BJ/Joyce outfield would be nice.

by RaysTheRoof on Apr 20, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think it'd be damn hard to find a better CF then Upton right now.

If DJ really is better, that would be absurd. CC’s already either the best or 2nd best CF right now.

"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."

by kericr on Apr 20, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duh

BJ, not CC

"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."

by kericr on Apr 20, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

There will be plenty of teams in line

CC’s big problem is his inability to take a pitch and an apparent fear of walls. He still hits like mad with men in scoring position, still lightning quick, covers ground excellently in the field, can steal a ton of bases, and doesn’t have a terrible arm. All it takes is one hitting coach who says, ‘I can fix him’; and I’m pretty sure plenty of coaches can claim to correct a batter who doesn’t know how to take pitches.

And this is also my biggest concern with CC; why isn’t he taking pitches? Someone has to have spoken with him about this by now, and if he’s really to a point where he thinks he doesn’t need to take pitches, maybe it’s time to treat him like BJ and bench him every time he stupidly hacks at the first pitch of an AB.

"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."

by kericr on Apr 20, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random thought

If BJ was batting .379 with zero walks would people consider that a slump? I mean the OBP would be exactly the same, however, nobody would consider hitting .379 a slump, but really is no difference. A .379 OBP is a .379 OBP. I wonder if they switched BA/OBP in the order of slash lines would people put more weight on OBP.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

But how many people in general correlate SLG% with a slump.

Especially with B.J. OBP is king. A high SLG% would be nice, but not a necessity.

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

SLG is a necessity.

It’s still really important to hit the ball hard. Not quite as important as not making an out, but very important none the less.

Tools Whore

by Tyler on Apr 20, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Are all .379 OBP equal?

I don’t think so. Hits are better then walks in some cases. RISP for example

CC better hope they don’t switch BA and OBP or his value in most casual fans minds will drop significantly

by Sveet on Apr 20, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

But they would be right.

Assuming you didn’t walk at all a .379 AVG is great. Even if he hit all singles, which would be highly unlikely given his speed, his OPS would still be .758. That isn’t bad at all. Throw in the fact that singles drive runners in from third everytime and sometime from second, and the all average player is far more valuable.

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

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I knew we should have dealt Crawford and D. Young for Lincecum 2 yrs ago…. Oh well’ too me CC needs to pick it up or just be a pinch runner. And why the hell is this Kapler guy still here? He is garbage!!!! I say call up Joyce or Jennings ASAP cuz Gross and Zobrist aren’t ready to play yet either….

Oh yeah, that’s exactly what we’re saying…

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Quite the opposite

This post is saying there are reasons these guys aren’t hitting. Not just… He is garbage!!!!

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Would it be possible that something that could help would be to flip ....

Crawford and Aki in the lineup. I have noticed over the last few games that the top of the order is not driving in what the bottom of the order is getting on. I don’t want to pin it on CC alone but our hitting with RISP is suffering tremendously. With CC seeing the second fewest pitches per plate appearance it seems logical to switch him and Aki in the batting order. That way you have JB and CC together in the order the two that see the fewest pitches per plate appearance. So if one or both of them get on BJ and Aki actually make the pitcher pitch to them with RISP instead of getting an easier free swinger in the 2 hole.

by PewterPirate55 on Apr 20, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Im in favor of switching Aki and CC, at least temporarily,

except we will have to hear CC moan about it through the media.

by RaysTheRoof on Apr 20, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Media would support Maddon on it I believe

All he would have to do is point out CC’s average with RISP. I know it isnt really a valid stat to cite in that instance but the media would eat it up and CC wouldn’t have a leg to stand on. It would also make it easier for the fans to swallow a mid-season / trade dead line trade.

by PewterPirate55 on Apr 20, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

You don't even need to find explanations for why a player has struggled so far.

If Albert Pujols started the season 5 for 30 with poor K/BB numbers, a low LD%, and ugly numbers around the board, you’d still give it little thought going forward (unless there are injury issues). Two weeks at any point in a season just don’t mean much. Coming into the season, we had expectations/best guesses for how players would perform. Two weeks shouldn’t change our mind.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 20, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Also this is the Rays. If a player goes 0-4 it's a big deal.

You could go from AllStar to DFA’d in one GDT.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think I said that

And in my defense, his first half wasn’t too good. But, it is easy to lose perspective when your team is struggling. Trying not to do that this year.

by RaysTheRoof on Apr 20, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a great idea for an article.

Go back through rash reactions from last year and discuss whether they were on-point or not.

And maybe, more as entertainment, show how the community’s feeling about certain players have changed (loved Wheeler through 2/3 of last year and now hate him, for example).

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 20, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

Some of them, like the Upton/Sonnanstine/Gross ones are stale and honestly I’ve spent far too much time on them.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying

Carl’s numbers all last season were down. Why not bring up Joyce or Jennings and let Carl get back to his mechanics? He’s just not the allstar he was a few years ago.

by Rays Genius on Apr 20, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I do undertsand that

But it’s kind of obvious he’s lost something….It’s not like I’m saying bring back Greg Vaughn

by Rays Genius on Apr 20, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about the other guys?

The IF seems to be more than holding up their end, and Zobrist is having a nice stretch. Don’t know that the combo of Riggans / Hernandez needs analysis.

But are the other guys over projection as much as these are under? The “unders” represent only 2 starting spots (Burrell, Navi), while the other cover 4, with Zob/Gross/Kapler filling the last spot. Just wondering if it all comesout as a wash?

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 20, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Its more then 2 starting spots

CC, Upton, and the RF platoon are well under career avg OPS’s. The reserves aren’t playing well either except for Zobrist.

by Sveet on Apr 20, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll put this together in a part two tomorrow on who's "overachieving"

Off the top of my head I know guys like Evan, Benzo and JB are way over their normal BABIPs, but I haven’t looked at all the other percentages.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

No explanation needed for Pat Burrell’s shortcomings. He is everything I expected him to be so far – a guy that is hitting 0.225 in 40 plate appearances with 1 HR and 4 RBIs. Suffice it to say that he was never on my list as a suitable DH signing to get this team over the top. Good for him and the Rays if he turns it around, but I don’t look for that to happen as an AL roster guy still hanging on for a paycheck.

Wow a whopping combined 0.215 BA from six OFers By Committe, and that includes Zobrist hitting 0.308 in 26 plate appearances! If not for a short hot-hitting spurt from Crawford and a few Willy Mays-type catches from Upton, the overall standings would look even worse and Joe Maddon would not be gracing the headlines of the St Pete Times with his usual Merlot Joe confidence.

Bunk! If this team does not start hitting the ball soon, they will get buried on the upcoming road trip and the just plain lousy columnists from the St Pete rag will be gnashing their teeth with giddiness as they become funeral planners for the 2009 Rays.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

rec'd. fuck that guy.

I hate when people ramble like a newspaper writer and have nothing relevant to add.

by Suttree on Apr 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just as much as I dislike fans that find comfort in showing us their weak vocabulary and even weaker minds.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I didn't find time to use sesquipedalian in my sentence.

Because coming up with a completely illogical and pointless paragraph is much more sophisticated than me using the word fuck.

by Suttree on Apr 20, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously there are still plenty of Rays fans wityh no class and or decorum suitable for a decent baseball site. Your stockyard stench is overwhelming.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

No, you’re misunderstanding me, Prince Valiant. I’m saying if you were a sheep, would you fuck a sheep, if you were another sheep?

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Apr 20, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your stockyard stench is making me unable to laugh

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah I've mainly been rocking the pre-op females

especially the ones that aren’t transexuals

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lies!

I call shenanigans .

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Apr 20, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The shenanigans would be if I said my K-rate was below Beej's right now

Then again if you don’t swing, you’ll never get a hit.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if you were a post op tranny

Would you fuck another post op tranny?

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Apr 20, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Instead of walking by with your nose in the air perhaps you could supplant your opinions with something

besides batting averages and from-the-gut ideas

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

And people think there's an insider clique here ; )

But seriously, “hanging on” at age 32 seems a bit much.

And while “if this team does not start hitting the ball soon, they’ll lose big” might be true, it implies that one, the team is likely to keep struggling (which isn’t a good assumption) and two, the team is actually struggling right now. 4.8 runs per game isn’t bad.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 20, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking about that when calling him out.

I just don’t understand why with the team’s success there are more and more people that are unwilling to discuss the team using facts and asking reasonable questions. Why is it that it seems it is the same group of us circle jerking? This place needs new blood that doesn’t sap away the intelligent discussion not a shit-ton of trolls with 8 accounts attacking people. Where is the intellectually curious new DraysBay readers? Come out, come out. “Anne Frank. Anne Frank. The soldiers are gone. Come out and play.”

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a rather new poster.

I lurked all last year, but didn’t start posting till recently.

I’ve had some minor arguments/debates with RJ and others, but the big problem is people like LittleBoPeople who have dissenting opinions based on faulty logic and bizarre notions.

by Suttree on Apr 20, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

There are a few of you, but I expected hoards of yearning masses waiting for written Word as passed down by the great Baseball Prophets RJ, Erik, and Tommy.

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Interesting cherry-pick of stats to support your thought on offense Sky. Take off the blinders, toss out the gifts on 4/12 & 4/13 and you’ll come up with a 3.27 runs per game average while giving away 5.45 runs per game. Not very good if you want to win any piece of the pie in the AL.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how allowing 5.45 runs has anything to do with the quality of the offense.

Quoting runs per game is cherry picking these days?

Go back to last year, remove the best two run scoring games for every 13 played and tell me what the Rays averaged. It’s not going to be good. Repeat for any team.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 20, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, Sky, you wouldn’t find it reasonable to need to score 5.46 runs per game if your pitching is going to give away 5.45 runs per game. The point is the Rays, in my opinion, were short on offense coming out of the gates. Comprende?

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

My point is that it's a pitching problem.

And that it’s two weeks into the season.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 20, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Hear Ya

The bottom line the, just two weeks into the season as you say, is that we are actually seeing the Rays falling short OF EXPECTATIONS (of the biased/unbiased mediots and Rays fans alike) in the areas of fielding, pitching and hitting.

I based my thoughts regarding offense (in the near term) on the upcoming away games against the Mariners, As and Twins as a must-have. These are three teams that are collectively excelling in three important stat areas in comparison to the Rays. I have seen many coments that suggest the Rays are going to be in great shape to start pounding their way into the lead for good starting May 1st – should they play 0.500 ball in April.

And that is why I am concerned about lack of offense. Unless Maddon falls flat on his face in keeping this team at a competitive playing level, the pitching and fielding will come around but will it be good enough.

PS: I won’t spend any more energy on trying to remove the crown from Pat The Bat’s hallowed dome. I’ll let him do that for himself.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

We are the second best fielding team in the majors

I don’t understand that part of your argument. We are 5th or 6th in wOBA as a team, the problem, imo, has been needlessly throwing away outs on the basepaths. I don’t think one bad start is entirely indicative of the staff.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why are you using BA?

You expected Burrell to be bad because…please enlighten all of us.

Also: you have like nine alt accounts. Why?

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I’ll keep it short for your brain to digest (and no, I use one account and one acount only on this site just for Mensa-type minds like yours to derive some sort of conspiracy theory about posters). And for the record, I happen to be a fan of the Rays.

Having watched Burrell labor in the NL for more years than I cared to, it was easy to make that statement. He is what he is and no matter how hard Rays fans want to ice the cake, Burrell was not the choice the Rays should have made for the DH spot. My statement will be readily obvious to you as the season wears on and you get the same feeling in your gut that the Phillies fans felt for years.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bro your stockyard stench is causing me to want to go to the Heater

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

rglass44 – Please enlighten me as to the meaning of your posting of the sbnation.com/users address.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

One of your alt accounts.

That you have used to post on in the past month… frequently.

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very interesting rglass44, however, the posts you have indicated are of my creation are absolutely not from me.

I have revisited this site for the first time in a long while just to find out if there were Rays fans that have developed beyond the usual Trolls you might find on a Red Sox Nation or Yankee board and so far I have not been disappointed in the past 15 minutes.

Enjoy yourselves.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used this gimmick when Bob Backlund made his heel turn in 1997.

Understand, buddy? This gimmick got stale 12 years ago when AOL was still pay-per-hour.

Or do I need to exacerbate the explanation of my theory to make an indelible imprint on your plebeian psyche?

AND PUT ON YOUR GLASSES SO YOU CAN HEAR ME BETTER.

by ReasonableDoubt on Apr 20, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy hell you make me hate people.

You just took like three personal shots for no reason and still provided zero factual evidence to support your opinion other than “Trust me, I saw the guy, you’ll see.”

Thanks guy, you totally rocked my world.

Oh and you’re a Rays fan on a Rays site. Whoa.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your writing style, it has a certain penache, but

what don’t you like about PtB? As far as being a RH that can work a walk, drive in runs, and hit the longball, I kind of thought this is exactly what we needed. When you factor in that when we made the deal he was well below market, and well below his peers, it seems even better. I hope you stick around to either tell me “told ya so” or give me the opportunity to do the same. Time will tell, but I still feel Pat Burrell was the best we could have expected to haul in over FA.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well Sandy, I may just stick around if this board can handle objectivity or comments about players that go against the grain of the collective fandom that has so effective shuned the idea of setting foot in Tropicana Field for the past decade.

Anyway, I’ll be more than happy to take my lumps if Burrell is successful and I won’t be pounding my chest with enthusiasm should he fail. Yes, Burrell was a low-lying fruit selection of the Rays and it came down to money and the fact that no other team was willing to invest in the guy for many reasons.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

There is no objectivity here, you're making crap up non-stop.

How did it come down to money when the Rays paid Burrell more than Abreu and Giambi received? The “money” deal would’ve been signing Ken Griffey Jr. or Garrett Anderson.

Please, provide some facts. I would like to see the reasons people passed on him outside of his defensive lackings.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, let’s get this straight. You’re telling me that Abreu and Giambi got less money because they weren’t a better choice than Burrell. You know damn well that the bulk of the available FAs got caught up in a game of circumstances that was not predictable early on in any negotiations that they had with other teams in today’s economic clime.

What was left for Burrell other than hoping that he would be an effective DH in the AL? How many Rays fans drank from the Kool-Aid pond in belief that Burrell could ever be an effective defensive member of the RF by committee situation that the Rays created after opening the door and trading away Jackson for Joyce? There weren’t too many options left for the Rays once they decided to keep the checkbook tight to vest were there?

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you talking about?

In your quest to sound overly intelligent and well-written, you have completely and utterly missed the point. Who ever expected Burrell to play RF? Why would you rather have Abreu or Giambi? Did you want Ibanez? Quit with the overtures about us, the fans, and tell us what you would have done differently.

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy, I wouldn’t have signed Burrell, I wouldn’t have traded away Jackson for Joyce, and I wouldn’t have retained Gross nor signed Kapler. There were other opportunities and options out there, but hindsight is 20-20 once the ink is dry.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

such as...

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Abreu Comes To Mind Quickly

But why waste time on ST thoughts and ideas that are counter-productive to any thoughts of the present 40-man roster making up for past weaknesses.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree that you're wasting time by postulating what if scenario's, but to suggest that Abreu

will be a better player this year seems like crazy talk.

Which is which and who is who?

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love how when you post stuff like this he does not reply.

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base."
~Dave Barry

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 21, 2009 8:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, so if you don't retain Gross...

and don’t trade for Joyce nor sign Kapler… who is your RF? Mr. 35 Games Rocco Baldelli? BOBBY ABREU?!

Please tell me it’s Abreu. Because defense isn’t critical to our success or anything. Nor is he a vagina for refusing to go back to the wall.

by Suttree on Apr 20, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is so stupid.

What Kool-Aid? Nobody on this site thought Burrell in the outfield was or ever will be a good idea and the Rays sure as hell never did. Please, provide some facts. Because we’ve laid them out here multiple times, and all you keep doing is playing a game of roundabout with nothing substantial involved.

This is the last time I’m replying to you.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 20, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's fine

We’ve seen plenty with your shtick and have survived. I just hope you stick around unlike the others whom, like you, made crazy, antagonistic, “against-the-grain” statements, mainly because they perceive that everyone here is awestruck and willing to make excuses for poor performance. I think this site is one of the more progressive ones I follow when it comes to pointing to reasons for failure and expectations of how to resolve it. Also, I consider myself a pretty big baseball fan, not just a Rays fan. By that I mean I can sit at the bar and have a conversation with just about any fan and come away from the conversation expanding on something I knew a little, but not a lot, about. You should try having the humility and good grace to accept that you don’t know everything and your recycled cliches only work when they are espoused from some other hack.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks Sandy

For reminding me that I most likely have forgotten all that I have observed and learned in 50+ years of MLB action. I can see this board is all about the short comdedic quips. But hey, if you think I come bearing little knowledge, so be it, as it concerns me not.

The shortfall here, for at least me anyway, is that I have not studied the “characters” nor their desire to chastize others for weeks on end. But if this particular site goes the way of many before it; i.e. AOL, it wouldn’t come as a shock. Rather than contribute, it just may be best to move on and let a handful of so-called progessive Rays fans carry the banner in relative silence as compared to the majority of the other 29 teams in MLB making noise today.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know who has learned and observed a lot of MLB action in 50+ years?

Joe Morgan. And he’s a moron.

“Rather than contribute, it just may be the best to move on and let a handful of so-called progressive Rays fans carry the banner in relative silence as compared to the majority of the other 29 teams in MLB making noise today.”

I’m sorry, I’m having a little trouble understanding your superior understanding of the English language. Remember: I’m the guy with the weak mind and weaker vocabulary. But other than saying goodbye, what the fuck does that mean? “Carry the banner in relative silence as compared to the majority of the other 29 teams in MLB making noise today”? Carry what banner? The sabermetric banner? Drays Bay has been recognized by Baseball Prospectus and a number of other baseball outlets as one of the best team-oriented blogs.

I guess everyone here will miss your opinions… pulled straight from your ass.

As for Abreu vs Burrell… Burrell had more home runs, more walks, batted fifth for the World Champions despite being two years younger than Abreu. Also, Abreu wanted more money and is a dick.

Advantage: Burrell.

by Suttree on Apr 20, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Can See Your Point Of View

But I can’t get my head that far up my rectum.

by LittleBoPeep on Apr 20, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

HARF HARF HARF

I like how you bitch about ad hominem attacks, but when confronted with facts, you resort to them.

Well played!

by Suttree on Apr 20, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't believe I made mention of any of those things.

You must be old, however, if you think this little dialogue we’ve had today involved weeks of chastising. I’m not sure AOL is a website, in the traditional sense, and I understand even less how that relates here. I would love for you, and anyone else to contribute, just don’t pull the intellectually superior card and back up what you say with drivel akin to, “I’m right and you’re wrong, because you’re just a bunch of young punks now get off my lawn.” I appreciate the devil’s advocate approach and look forward to more of it.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like this one best:
I am a huge from Day 1 Tampa Bay Rays fan I will be the driver of the bandwagon when all you Yankee and Red Sox fans blow your team off when we finally do get our run in the playoffs and get our World Series ring. I live a couple minutes down the road from the Trop and go to pretty much every home game and watch or listen to every Rays away game, I also have a great deal of intrest in our minor league clubs the Durham Bulls as well as the Southern League Champion MONTGOMERY BISCUITS. My friends call me the walking baseball/football almanac I admit I am pretty confident with my knowledge from 1980 and up. I have gotten a chance to meet and speak with many players. As you may figue I CANNOT STAND the Red Sox or the Yankees one would think everyone in Tampa area are from Boston or New York well some may be and all I can say if its so GREAT in New York and Boston “What are you doing here”?

I am also a HUGE Tampa Bay Buccaneers fan since 1979 when I was 8. I remember sitting in the BIG SOMBRERO (Tampa Stadium) when all the fans around here were rooting for the Bears and the Packers.

by rglass44 on Apr 20, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

And with Crawford and Navarro its about plate discipline. Something they both can correct

I’m not saying if they take more pitches they’ll suddenly bust out of this “slump,” but a few walks would definitely help the OBP.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe they can

but Crawford has been in the league a long enough time

I’m a huge an of high OBP guys

by Raymondo on Apr 20, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

2008 v 2009

2008 K% 13.5
2009 K% 25.9

2008 O-Swing 31.5%
2009 O-Swing 36.7%

Also F-Strike (first pitch strike percentage):

The percentage of plate appearances (for batters) or batters faced (for pitchers) that the first pitch was a strike. This includes anytime that the count after the first pitch was 0-1, or anytime the ball was put into play on the first pitch of a plate appearance.

2008 65.4%
2009 77.2%

Carl has always been a hacker, but not to these levels.

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Apr 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

They rarely seem to have the count in their favor

due to chasing early on—i could be wrong, and i’m sure y’all will let me know

by Raymondo on Apr 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I want to agree with you Raymondo since with my naked eye it does seem like we are hacky this year, but I'll try to put

something together to see if, yet again, eye fooled brain.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here's some stuff

They have our o-swing as best in the league at 20%. That would lead me to believe we are laying off good pitcher pitches as well as bad ones. We are 11th in z-swing which, at 66.1%, means that 2/3 of the time that a pitch is a strike we are taking swing. So far, we don’t swing at 80% of balls and we do swing at 66% of the strikes. That puts us first and eleventh, respectively. The biggest piece of damning evidence might be that our z-contact % is 4th from the bottom of the league (84.3%). So it’s not quite so much that we’re hacking at bad pitches, but more related to not making contact once we do swing at a strike, at least in my mind. We have a .311 Babip as a team so when we do put it in play it would appear we are not far from ordinary, so I think that contact % might be what is playing against us.

Granted, it was a different team last year, but for the most part, we returned nearly all of our key contributors. Last year we were first in O-swing (22.6%), 14th in z-swing (66.3%), and our z-contact % was 5th from the bottom (86.1%). Our Babip last year was .305. Lets see it in table form:

Stat______2008__2009__08rk__09rk
O-Swing__22.6%20%__1_____1
Z-Swing__66.3%66.1%_14____11
Z-Contact_86.1%84.3%_26____27
Babip____.305__.311____11____13

Maybe, this is how things go all year since for the most part these rates and rankings have held pretty steady, but we’ve lowered our O-swing so far, which is encouraging.

Though I don’t think I’ve adequately answered the question you’ve raised, I do think it is safe to say we are not anymore hacky than last year.

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on Apr 20, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

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