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Game Changer; How Dioner Navarro's Fourth Inning AB Changed The Game

Dioner Navarro has not had a good start to his post-all star season. (Photo By Dennis Adair)

Quite often you'll hear an announcer refer to a play or an at-bat as a momentum shifter or a game changer. Normally, this is just an announcer doing his job and trying to make his broadcast as entertaining as possible, but last night there really was an AB that stood out in my mind as the turning point of the game.

For those of you who missed the game or don't remember this particular at-bat, allow me to set the scene. The Rays were leading 2-1 heading into the top of the fourth inning. After a Carlos Pena strikeout, Pat Burrell singled up the middle for his second hit of the game (Regression!). Ben Zobrist then crushed a ball to left field that died in the Safeco air, but still was hit hard enough to give Benzo a standup double and move the Bat to third base.

According to fangraphs win-expectancy, the Rays had a 71% chance of winning at this point. They were already up one with two men in scoring position and just one out. A simple base hit puts the team up by three and who knows what happens after that. However, nothing has come simple for the Rays over the last week.

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Dioner Navarro would be the man in the spotlight during the "game changing" AB. Navarro was one of the players I highlighted as being "unlucky", but part of his slump is due to his poor plate discipline. Like Carl Crawford, Navi has all but eliminated the walk from his game this season and his K's are to an all time high. However, last night in this AB, Navi actually worked the count in his favor and was up 2-0. Now, I know a base hit is golden at this juncture, but a walk is still valuable. You load the bases and force the pitcher to throw strikes to the next batter; that was not going to happen in this case.

Navarro would foul an outside fastball off for the first strike pushing the count to 2-1. The next pitch was almost exactly the same as the previous one; an outside fastball at 89 mph. It's wasn't a bad pitch to hit, but again not the pitch your looking for in a 2-1 count. Also, instead of going with the pitch and pushing it in right field, Navi tried to pull the ball which ended the AB with a weak ground ball to the mound. No runners advanced, no run scored and the Rays win expectancy dropped nine percent down to 62%. Gabe Kapler and Aki Iwamura had chances behind Navarro, but two out hitting is a lot different that coming to the plate with one out. The pitcher is in much more control of the situation because any out gets him out of the jam.

The Mariners would jump on Andy Sonnanstine in the bottom fourth inning and the Rays would never pose a serious threat from there on out. I don't want this to seem like I'm blaming Navarro for the loss because there was plenty of wasted opportunities and mistakes made by a multiple players. However, when everything seems to be going wrong, this could've been not just a game changer, but maybe that little jumpstart the team needed to get going. Instead the Rays now find them in a familiar place as the Devil Rays; last in the American League.

The climb out of the cellar begins tonight.

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I went to bed after that inning.

As I laid sleeping I kept thinking “Navi, take it. Navi, take it.” That was just such a bad AB. Both pitches were great pitcher’s pitches that were on the black, but you have to let the first one go.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 8:44 AM EDT reply actions  

As I laid sleeping I kept thinking "Navi, take it. Navi, take it."

I know he’s a switch hitter, but do we really have to start with the sex dreams first thing in the morning?

by ReasonableDoubt on Apr 22, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

I said pretty much the same on Navi the other day

He was 1-11 after the count reaches 2-1. and tries to pull everything

Do a thread on Crawford next

No HR since 6/27, and one walk tis season

by Raymondo on Apr 22, 2009 9:03 AM EDT reply actions  

I know its early

but he also has an almost -4 VORP and a -.394 MLVr

ugly

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

I knew that

this guy really needs to get going

While it’s nice to have his defense, let’s be honest a corner OFer in the AL, especially LF is there for his ability to put up at least a 825 OPS

by Raymondo on Apr 22, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bo sarcasm intended

but i’m geting tired of that excuse and ’it’s early’

These are games and tams you have to beat

We’ve lost the 1st game of every series thus far

by Raymondo on Apr 22, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here are his splits by month for his career:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=crawfca02&year=Career&t=b#month

Career .697 OPS in March/April for his career.

The season has not started the way any of us would like but there are 140+ games left. I don’t know how some of you can survive the grind of a 6 month season with so many knee-jerk reactions. I will start to worry if we get to 10 games under in June or are 10 games out in September. I probably still won’t, though, because it is just a game that I have 0 control over.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just not a fanof the low OBP

guy, which Navi an CC are

And when they’re slumping, that fact is glaring

by Raymondo on Apr 22, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's been over a year

I don’t think thats knee jerk.

He hasn’t shown one sign that this year is going to be any different then last

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aki or Bartlett

depending if its a righty or lefty.

Honestly I would mind seeing Zobrist hitting in the 2 hole for the time being

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

That, my friend, is a knee-jerk reaction.

Even last year, CC was a better hitter than Bartlett. He was close to Aki, so maybe him. I would rather let Zobrist flourish where he is now than add the pressure of hitting 2 and ultimately have him regress there.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh maybe I'm missing something

2008 stats

       v RHP
JB – .919OPS
CC – .641OPS

      vLHP
Aki – .756OPS
CC – .754OPS

Obviously Aki and CC OPS are close but Aki’s OBP was about 20 points higher so I still like his numbers better.

Pressure is overrated and there is nothing wrong with riding the hot hand

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think you reversed the splits.

No way JB hit .941 against RHP. One season’s worth of splits data (especially regarding against LHP) is pretty worthless, no offense. It is just such a small sample size. I looked only at wOBA.

I kind of like the idea of Aki in the 2-hole. He sees a lot of pitches which gives BJ plenty of SB opps, and he tends to avoid the DP.

Riding the hot-hand generally ends up catching the tail-end of the hot streak and getting a fair amount of the slump.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

ya mistyped the split header

first two are against LHP and second two are against RHP

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leave Zo

I like the R-L-R-L mix currently used. Ok, Switch CC and Aki.

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

So like this?

Beej
Aki
Longo
Pena
Burrell
CC
Navi
RF
JB

I think I like that. Having a singles hitter like Navi behind the speedy CC makes sense. If only Navi would go back to K’ing less and hitting more singles.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I likey

CC can steal second, taking away Navi’s double play potential.

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

The one minor problem is CC is behind

base clogger Burrell, but I guess we should worry about them both getting on base at the same time first, but I like it for the most part

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Also, it’s not like CC is going to walk.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Productive Outs

CC’s ability to hit the ball to the right side of the field has him as the team leader in productive outs. Not bad following PTP’s double. Zorilla warning track flyout to score the run. If PTB singles, we’ll take a CC fielders choice to get the faster runner on base, swipe second and have a man in scoring position.

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's really not true at all.

That’s like saying a third baseman should only hit homeruns and that shortstops and second baseman aren’t here for their bats so move Hanley Ramirez and Dan Uggla to the corners.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 22, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

You should move Dan Uggla to the corner, preferrably to the corner of the dugout, only to see the diamond 4-5 times a game to swing a bat.

"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."

by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Navi

Has come up to the plate 18 times with a runner on base and has 0 RBI to show for it. 15 of those times there were less than 2 outs. He is 3-13 in those situations, with a walk and reached on an error. Of his 10 outs, none advanced a runner. His sole RBI came on a solo shot.

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions  

that's gross

Free Zorilla! He better be in the lineup tonight

by Sveet on Apr 22, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Career Progression

What is a player’s progression supposed to look like when it comes to plate discipline? Navi had a walk rate last year of 7.4%. Of the 5 projections available on fangraphs, the range for this year is 8.2% to 9.6%. I would expect a player to hopefully gain patience as they become more comfortable at the big league plate.

HIs K% was 11.5% last year. Projections range from 12.25-18% for ’09. Is it expected that hitters will strike out more with more plate discipline b/c they are working the count?
Intuition would lead to guess that they would become more efficient in putting the ball in play with two strikes?

.321 BABIP last year. .253 the year before. How do you come up with a projection for an 09 BABIP?

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

My assumptions:

First off, it depends on the projection. The different projection systems do it differently. MARCELS, I believe, is just a three-year, weighted average regressed to the mean. The others are more complicated.

The ones that factor in aging curves, I would imagine have BB% improve slightly on career numbers. Navarro, for instance, has a career BB% of 8.3, so a bump to that from what he did last year could have nothing to do with age. Similarly, his career average for K% is 15.3%, much higher than his 11.5% he notched last year. BABIP, I would assume, is probably just based on career BABIP numbers regressed to the league mean.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

It seems to me that if one at bat can make or break us in Seattle

Then that, in and of itself, is a team wide, and serious issue.

by plasticman on Apr 22, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the idea of "run prevention" being applied to our offense

Sarcasm.

But, again with a lineup as touted as ours, one at-bat(one out) should not be the entire game.

by plasticman on Apr 22, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

It wasn't the entire game.
I don’t want this to seem like I’m blaming Navarro for the loss because there was plenty of wasted opportunities and mistakes made by a multiple players. However, when everything seems to be going wrong, this could’ve been not just a game changer, but maybe that little jumpstart the team needed to get going.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This.

There were plenty of things that went wrong. In the first inning Sonny should’ve thrown Griffey out at first instead of trying for second. There were multiple mistakes, however this one ab couldve completely changed the rest of the game. I don’t have the numbers and maybe glass could find it, but we had a WE of 71% before Navi’s out. That dropped down to 62% after. If he gets a base hit I don’t know how high the WE% jumps but I bet it’s a nice chunk.

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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 22, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Generally speaking:

Up 3 in the top of the 4th with one out and a man on first (what the situation would have been had Navi hit a single that scored Zobrist), the away team wins 79.2% of the time.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you guys

But the implications of hanging so much on one at-bat are significant, and these implications say something about our team that is not very comforting.

by plasticman on Apr 22, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want me some Jaso.

He’s a 25 year old in AAA. There really can’t be much left in terms of trade value and if somebody is going to take AB’s from Navi, I don’t see any reason why it shouldn’t be him.

Not that anyone’s going to be taking AB’s away from Navi any time soon.

by Vin on Apr 22, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

No need to take away ABs from Navi

Bat aside, he needs to handle the staff. Most of this analysis is just evidence of why the Ray’s are struggling, not an indication of a need for a roster move. Navi will snap out of it at the plate.

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW

That AB may not have cost the team the game, but building on a lead is something that the Rays seem reluctant to do one run at a time. There have been some weak swings the first couple of weeks from multiple players in “batters counts”, if that is the best you can do with a 2-1 pitch then please don’t swing.

Also rumored that Nav’is wife is having health issues again, which undoubtedly was a big part of 2007 first half debacle.

by Doyouseeit? on Apr 22, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Not to be a poser..

But I wanted the team to draft Buster Posey.. dude will be at the MLB level this year.

by bucpimpin on Apr 23, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

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