Fielding Independent Hitting

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT

OK, so based on FreeZorilla's comment in the pitcher thread I figured team-by-team FIH for each team thus far.

A note about the process:

FIP= (((13*HR)+(3*(BB-IBB+HBP))-(2*K))/IP)+3.2

Since you can't really get IP for a team's hitters, I took AB-H+GIDP for outs. Then I used 3*Outs for IP.

Here are the results:

Team	AB	H	HR	BB	IBB	HBP	SO	GDP	Outs	FIH
Indians	492	138	24	76	3	10	121	14	368	5.80
Cubs	412	107	16	63	2	8	87	9	314	5.50
Rangers	455	127	26	41	1	5	110	7	335	5.47
Yankees	481	128	21	56	2	5	90	12	365	5.42
Blue Jays	540	155	23	60	3	2	91	15	400	5.41
Cardinals	477	139	17	65	5	5	80	12	350	5.39
Phillies	414	115	16	43	1	3	63	9	308	5.31
Dodgers	477	142	16	73	8	5	88	16	351	5.27
White Sox	439	117	18	50	1	6	93	11	333	5.12
Orioles	481	132	13	65	3	3	82	9	358	4.88
Red Sox	451	121	15	56	6	6	86	12	342	4.88
Rockies	437	106	19	47	1	5	109	7	338	4.82
Tigers	444	124	14	50	3	7	83	13	333	4.80
Braves	464	123	14	48	3	5	76	12	353	4.73
Brewers	424	98	16	49	3	9	102	10	336	4.71
Rays	480	125	20	47	1	3	119	7	362	4.60
Padres	463	125	15	53	3	0	96	6	344	4.53
Astros	458	118	12	50	1	2	82	11	351	4.44
Royals	432	109	14	43	2	8	99	12	335	4.37
Marlins	486	125	16	53	4	5	117	11	372	4.30
Mets	436	125	9	57	7	2	78	12	323	4.29
Diamondbacks	458	104	16	40	3	3	102	6	360	4.23
Nationals	460	124	12	61	3	4	121	9	345	4.07
Reds	404	87	9	56	2	6	104	10	327	4.02
Pirates	474	126	13	43	4	3	101	7	355	3.99
Angels	439	112	9	43	5	2	77	6	333	3.95
Mariners	454	115	9	32	2	3	75	17	356	3.76
Twins	476	125	9	42	2	2	91	8	359	3.71
Athletics	464	110	3	43	0	7	84	5	359	3.38
Giants	412	101	7	31	3	5	108	15	326	2.96

BTW, I would have been done with this forever ago but my comp froze.

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Looking at the teams at the top,

park factors come into play alot. The new Yankee Stadium is prevalent, Arlington, etc.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions

Good stuff.

by R.J. Anderson on Apr 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions

This stat will be irrelevant, though.

One has to figure that team defense faced evens out over the course of a season. Since a a batter has way more control over BIP it also confounds its uselessness. It is a nice little look into how defense may or not have played a role at this point in the season.

by rglass44 on Apr 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions

Thanks

It seems a lot of the concern about the Rays pitching is based on fewer strikeouts, more walks and a new found adoration for the gopher ball. Given that those are the 3 components of FIP, I thought it would be worth a look to see how our opponents to date fared at FIH for 08 to see how much of our lesser stats coudl be attributed to competition. I suppose I could just look at their BB/K ratios and HR totals. Too ambitious for my own good.

by FreeZorilla on Apr 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions

What did the San Francisco Bay Area do to deserve such pitiful offense?

by Lurch's Lobbyists on Apr 23, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions

They could just sign Barry Lamar Bonds

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions

Funny thing is that the Giants' offense was worse when Bonds was there, if you ignore what Bonds contributed.

It’s been said a lot, but the talent Sabean put around Bonds during his legendary season is a pity.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Apr 23, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions

It seems to me

the Rosetta Stone of FIP analysis really lies in determining the effect, if any, a pitcher has on balls in play. If we are comfortable assuming a batter has some or much, why are we not comfortable assuming a pitcher has some as well?

I know some study of this should result from Hit F/X, but I’m still a bit uncomfortable with the broad acceptance of FIP as a superior measure for pitchers.

I accept it’s more predictive of a future season’s ERA than is current ERA. Guess I’m not convinced of it’s superiority as a real time indicator of pitching performance compared to other measures such as WHIP (or BPIP – what happened to that RJ?), BB and K rates. GB/ FB rates. I understand the affinity for a single number – just leaves out a lot of the game.

by nyyfaninlaaland on Apr 23, 2009 3:38 AM EDT reply actions

Check out tRA.

It accounts for pitcher’s abilities to give up certain types of BIP (i.e. Webb and Halladay punding the ball into the ground), and it adjusts for the values of each type. It is, IMO, the best tool we have right now to truly measure a pitcher’s value. The only issue is the BIP data has to be reliable (an issue with MILB players) and it is WAY harder to figure than FIP (although that is more of a problem to me than most people).

by rglass44 on Apr 23, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions