Cracking The Zobrist Code: What Is Behind The Ben Zobrist Power Surge?
What happened to Ben Zobrist? Usually, when you're asking such a question it comes with a negative tone, however, in the curious case of Ben Zobrist, it is very much a positive. What turned a slap singles hitter into the man known as Zorilla?Until this point your guess was as good as mine. Statistically, there is nothing to explain the tremendous surge of power we've seen from Zobrist over the past year. He's turned from a 0.70 isolated power hitter in to a .250 ISO hitter in just under 260 plate appearances. Yes, his plate discipline has improved, but simple plate discipline doesn't turn you into a home run hitter.
There are those who believe working out has made Ben stronger and that's the reason. However, it hard to believe a few extra hours in the gym could turn you from Jason Bartlett to Carlos Pena. I'm sure it helped, but if it were that easy then all your David Eckstein types would be rushing to the weight room now. Another theory, and this one is the most popular thanks to quotes by Joe Maddon, is the "swing harder" theory. Sounds simple enough, if you want the ball to go farther then just swing harder. Again, it sounds easy, but if that was the case why wouldn't more people just swing harder?
Basically we we're left in the dark as to why Zobrist has had an incredible increase in power. Take a look at the numbers.
Here you'll find Zobrist's first 300 plate appearances compared to his last 250.
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Zobrist |
06-07 |
08-09 |
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PA's |
303 |
258 |
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HR |
3 |
15 |
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HR/PA |
1/101.0 |
1/17.2 |
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HR/FB% |
4 |
19 |
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ISO |
0.70 |
0.250 |
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SLG% |
0.259 |
0.500 |
As you can see there really is no comparison. He went from a fringe major league ball player to an above average power hitter pretty quickly. We already know all of this, but still don't know why. Well, I think I may have found a man with a little bit of information that may help us. Recently I came in contact with a man who Zobrist has openly credited for his recent success. However, nobody has bothered to follow up on the story.
Jaime Cevallos is known as the swing mechanic (it's true he has a website). Cevallos describes himself as "a lifelong below average hitter" who worked hard enough to earn the starting shortstop job at Division 1 Mount Saint Mary's University in 1996. However, the results were not there. He hit just .197/.277/.211 and had only one extra base hit. That off-season he decided he would become a hitter or just quite baseball all together. "Instead of listening to what others taught about the swing, which I had always done, I decided to study the mechanics of the swing on my own" he said. "Back then I only had Sports Illustrated pictures of players so I tore them out and studied them. I posed in the positions that I felt through my swing, compared them to the pictures and began to make some changes." The results were clear as Cevallos improved to a .364/.466/.523 hitter with four home runs in 1997, which earned him first team all conference honors and a scholarship.
Cevallos, now an independent swing instructor, developed a passion for swing mechanics and said he dedicated his life "to learning the true key positions of the swing with precise measurable angles and how to train them." From there he started working on his theories and that led him to start his own company called Mkanx (pronounced Mechanics). "I started after the 2008 season" he says. He began working with college players (unfortunately, because of NCAA rules, he could not name names of some of the NCAA players he's worked with) in hopes of finding some professional ball players along the way. "I had just ventured out and worked with players for the first time after 2008, the results validated my work" said Cevallos. "I didn't want to give individual instruction because I want to help many players at a time" he explains. He invented the "Mkanx training bat" to give his students a better feel of what he was trying to teach them. "The Mkanx training bat communicates knowledge (through feeling) more than it does anything else" he claims. "Rather than me tell a player to try to feel this or that, I can just give them my training bat and they can feel it. That is the purpose of it."
Very interesting stuff, but what does this have to do with our own "late inning lightning"? It just so happens that Ben Zobrist started working with Cevallos, before the 2008 season. "Two weeks after deciding that I had studied enough and it was time to teach" said Cevallos. "I began to knock on the doors of facilities to see if there was any interest in having me as a hitting instructor. Most of the answers were no. But I walked into Showtime Sports in Franklin, TN and the manager, Tony Naile, took me seriously, even when I said that I think my principles will change the way hitters practice at all levels of baseball. So he asked me to walk to the back of the facility with him. That is where Ben Zobrist was hitting in the cage." Devine intervention? Maybe, but Cevallos said he immediately knew he could help Zobrist just by watching him in the cage.
"I took one look at his swing and knew that I was going to help him. Not that it was really bad, I just saw opportunity." After Zobrist's time in the cage was up, the two were introduced and Zobrist agreed to workout with Cevallos. The two would meet up a few days later and begin the process. Zobrist also brought along Drew Sutton, who was a former teammate of Ben's in the Astros Organization and is currently in the Cincinnati Reds system. As part of Cevallos's system, he filmed the players from both angles as both Zobrist and Sutton are switch hitters.
From there, Cevallos gathered the information needed and went to work. "I took the video home to analyze and we met again a few days later" he said. "I broke down their swing the way I do. They had never seen anything like it. I gave their swings a rating and showed them how they can improve the number." That rating is called CIR or Cevallos Impact Rating. "The swing rating scale measures how consistent and powerful a player is" Cevallos explains. "With the right mechanics, you will increase power and consistency at the same time. They really compliment each other, but the misconception has been that you sacrifice one for the other." Initially, Zobrist scored a 287 on the CIR scale. For correlation, Cevallos provided me with this list of players along with their CIR, Career OPS and SLG:
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Player |
CIR |
OPS |
SLG |
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Babe Ruth |
474 |
1.1638 |
0.69 |
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Ted Williams |
429 |
1.1155 |
0.634 |
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Albert Pujols |
409 |
1.0489 |
0.624 |
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Ken Griffey |
400 |
0.9192 |
0.547 |
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Matt Holliday |
393 |
0.938 |
0.522 |
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GradySizemore |
351 |
0.8612 |
0.491 |
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Brian McCann |
333 |
0.857 |
0.499 |
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Tony Gwynn |
321 |
0.847 |
0.459 |
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Derek Jeter |
318 |
0.848 |
0.458 |
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Dustin Pedroia |
290 |
0.828 |
0.459 |
As you can see Zobrist's power was that of a middle infielder, no surprises there. At first, Cevallos mentions Zobrist was a little apprehensive about changing his approach. "Ben was concerned that he would not be conforming to what the hitting coaches wanted him to be, which was a "spray" hitter, a situational hitter I believe he called it, a guy that is supposed to move guys around the bases and sacrifice himself. I told him that he could be a power hitter AND increase his consistency. He didn't have to settle for that role, I told him, he could have his cake and eat it too." To me that sounds very similar to the change Joe Maddon talked about when Zobrist was told to stop being a singles hitter and "swing harder".
After working together, Cevallos says Zobrist now rates at a 360 on the CIR scale, which would put him just above Grady Sizemore and approaching Matt Holliday. Is it realistic to think we have the next Matt Holliday? Probably not, but after the last 258 PAs of Zobrist's career you can never say never.
I asked Jaime what his goals were for this system, and goals he has; lofty ones in fact. "The highest CIR rating that I have ever seen is Babe Ruth and he had a 474" says Cevallos. "I believe that it is possible to eclipse that mark. That's my goal. I want to work with the next .400 hitter and the first 80 home run man." Cevallos also says players need to spend less time playing in the off-season and more time analyzing themselves. "Too many players want to keep playing during the off-season. But you get better when you stop playing and start analyzing; as long as the analysis is sound."
Back to Ben Zobrist. Is this going to be the norm from now on? Is Zorilla here to stay or is this just a phase? According to "the swing mechanic", not only is this real, but he expects Zobrist to continue to improve. I asked if a team gave Zobrist 500 at-bats in a season how many home runs he'd hit. Cevallos didn't hesitate, "30 plus." 30 seems like a big number for a guy who hit just three in his first 303 plate appearances, but Cevallos says this training doesn't only effect power. "It improves everything. When searching for the key positions, I found many positions that improve the player in one way but not multiple ways. I didn't settle for that." He adds, "I knew that the true key positions would be great from many different angles so to speak. The key positions improve power, consistency, discipline, quickness, comfort (less injuries)."
So you be the judge, did Cevallos and his Mkanx training turn Zobrist into a hitting monster on its own?
Personally, it's as good of an explanation as anything else we have. I know R.J and myself have looked for a statistical explanation only to come up empty handed. I guess it's the old maybe or maybe not, but it gives us more insight than the weight training and swing harder theories we've heard in the past. While I'm still not 100% sure it's the sole reason that BenZo's power has blossomed, it is a very valid explanation. If results like Zobrist and Sutton continue to show for Cevallos, I wonder if more and more teams and players will subscribe to this new method of swing training.
As for now, the Zobrist Code just got a bit simpler.
For more information on Jaime Cevallos, his work and his training,visit Mkanx.com or theswingmechanic.com. You can even purchase your own Mkanx's bat and train on your own. Also be on the look out for Cevallos's book titled "The Mkanx Method - How To Use Video To Hit Your Best" which will be released this summer.
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Kudos my man
Well written on a great (to-be) player. Ben has captured my attention as well. As for last night, it was great to see him in the line up rather than Gross.
BTW, I thought Ben’s power surge was due to the advice of Rocco Baldelli. When Zobrist ask Rocco how to hit more HR’s Rocco stated, “SWING HARDER.” I think he listened.
by ConnorManning on Apr 23, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Swing Harder"
Does Rocco or Maddon get credit for that?
by ConnorManning on Apr 23, 2009 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it was Rocco's advice, but Maddon made it public so he usually gets the creditl
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben has mentioned me quite a bit but the reporters jump on the Rocco story.
Because it’s simple and they know all the characters. When Ben has mentioned me I can immagine the reporters saying, “who else has given you advice?” :)
jaime cevallos
mkanx director of instruction
by Swing Mechanic on Apr 24, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another great night for Ben last night...
At what point do we stick him in the lineup everyday?
by ClemsonRay on Apr 23, 2009 7:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you just continue to use him in the same role
He’s playing almost everyday as it is. The one thing I do not want to see is him given a permanent home. Offensively he’s becoming a really good player, however defensively he remains average at best and thats in the outfield. He’s still a below average shortstop. I think we can still give Ben 4-5 starts a week at various positions rather than just give him one. This limits his defensive shortcomings and maximizes his value(offense) to the team.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How does he rate at 2B?
Let’s say he puts up 20ish homers this year. Would be be a possible replacement for Aki next year (assuming we don’t want that option) or would he be more valuable to the Rays as trade bait?
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~Dave Barry
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 23, 2009 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So far we have very limited data on Zobrist at 2B(50 innings)
But he seems to be average or slighly above average at the position. The emergance of Zobrist to go with Aybar might mean Aki’s days are numbered one way or the other.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any information available on how Sutton is doing?
by ReasonableDoubt on Apr 23, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Answered my own question:
BABIP of .317 in 05, .295 in 06, .310 in 07, then a jump to .362 in 08.
I know I’m still new at this stats thing, but that’s good, right?
by ReasonableDoubt on Apr 23, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rays should sign this guy up ASAP.
Roving Hitting Instructor of some kind.
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base."
~Dave Barry
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 23, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We could have a lineup full of 70 HR hitters!
by steve-o1285 on Apr 23, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CC could learn to wa--
Oh wait, no it doesn’t do that.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Navi could learn how not to hit into dou--
Oh wait, it doesn’t do that either.
I think we have a meme in the making with this post.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cervallos would take one look at Crawford swinging at a ball in the dirt and quit.
CIR = 4
by steve-o1285 on Apr 23, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he could teach Baldelli how not to get injured
OMG I’M SO HEARTLESS
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by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*DID
It’s sad that I typed it in the first place…it’s even worse that it took me this long to catch it.
by steve-o1285 on Apr 23, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
some of these replies have me cracking up! That's great, Steve.
jaime cevallos
mkanx director of instruction
by Swing Mechanic on Apr 24, 2009 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would love to have more information on CIR
Seems like it’s a combination of bat speed (or ball off bat speed) and “consistency” of swing. How would you measure consistency? And how can you tell the difference between swinging how you want to swing and knowing where to swing to hit the ball?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
by Sky Kalkman on Apr 23, 2009 8:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do to.
I seems like a really interesting topic, but I understand he couldn’t give away all the secrets. I guess that’s why you write a book about it. Haha
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree. seems fascinating. i hope it's not just some arbitrary number. I'd also like to see the list of average major leaguers between some of the big names he listed.
by walkoffwalk on Apr 23, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is definitely a formula that goes into all of this.
It’s not him just looking at a guy and assigning a number.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did find out that Nevin Ashley(another Rays player) has at least used the system
I don’t know if he worked directly with Cervallos yet.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might have been in college
He did have a big jump as a hitter when he was in college.
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 23, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
got to love a guy that names a system after himself
I want to know exactly what it is that he’s telling zobrist though, because I could really use the extra pop for my softball league.
Also, did he tell you how to calculate the CIR rating? Is it a predictive tool?
by behn on Apr 23, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well you can order a bat for your league and start smashing home runs now.
He didn’t get much into the CIR rating. I’m guessing that’s what the book is for. It’s all very interesting.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CIR could also be something he does using a proprietary formula
Or more likely, is something that really takes a trained eye to see. Right now he’s using it as a diagnostic tool so I’d be hesitant to try to imply it’s usefulness as a sabermetric stat. Zob at his best before he became a clubber had no chance of racking up hits like Pedroia, so I doubt it’s useful in that sense.
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by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you hit the target.
I don’t think we’ll be able to say oh he’s a 330 CIR there for he should be hitting like X.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thought too
It sounded more like an after the fact way of judging a hitter rather than something predictive, but I wasn’t sure. I guess there’s no way to know without knowing how to run the formula and come up with a CIR, but it sounds like a persons CIR could drastically shift from year to the next, from good year to bad. It’ll be interesting to see what he says about the formula when his book comes out. A follow up on that on this site would also be cool to read.
by behn on Apr 23, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you on that.
I’d like to read more about his system.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure we can do a follow up in the future. He was very open and honest
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your troll-fu is weak, old man.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ben Zobrist: The Power of Christ Compells You
RAYS BASEBALL: ALL YOUR BASES ARE BELONG TO US
by JMB on Apr 23, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff Tommy!
I am so psyched that BenZo might be for real. I just saw recently where Sickels was talking about how Sutton had noticeably improved at the plate.
Drew Sutton is an older prospect who had a breakthrough campaign last year, hitting .317/.408/.523 with 20 homers, 76 walks, and 20 steals for Double-A Corpus Christi. The Astros didn’t seem to really believe in him, however, and he was traded on April 16th to the Cincinnati Reds for Jeff Keppenger. Sutton is 4-for-15 (.267) so far in five games in Triple-A, with two walks. A switch-hitter, he rates as a Tony Graffanino-type utility player in my estimation, not spectacular but a guy who is versatile and does just enough with the bat to help you if you don’t overexpose him.
I can’t wait to check out the book. I may get one of these bats for the kids on my team.
My cousin played at MSM for a couple years before he transferred, but it was way later. I wonder if he ever met him.
by rglass44 on Apr 23, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Carl
why get thrown out on a fly out?
Just steal 2B on the first pitch
by Raymondo on Apr 23, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Barely out
On most any other throw he would have been safe.
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Apr 23, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's like being 'a little pregnant'
Crawford can steal at will, and that’s the right ove
And Pena, wtf, picked off on a school yard play
C’mon boys, wake up
by Raymondo on Apr 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably had a better chance of advancing to second on the flyout.
That throw/tag was as perfect as it gets. You really can’t fault CC here.
by Vin on Apr 23, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little more info on Cevallos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4o_mwDtDnY&feature=related
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So, who goes?
If Zorilla is now the full-time starter in right, who gets the boot? Kapler or Gross? With Zobrist being a switch-hitter, there is no need to keep both Kapler and Gross. I’ve gotta think that the Rays would keep Kapler over Gross, simply because Kapler is only signed to a one-year deal. Also, I’d rather have Kapler right-handed bat over Gross’ left-handed bat.
Drew
Eduardo Morlan = God.
by Devilray187 on Apr 23, 2009 11:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can one of you guys please do a post that says, "Ben Zobrist will not replace both Gabes in RF as long as he is a significantly worse defender then either Gabe."
?
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by kericr on Apr 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh you mean like 1,000 words on Gabe Gross?
Just wait until around 1 pm. R.J. has you covered
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In an extremely small sample size, Zobrist has been outstanding defensively
Better than Carl Crawford.
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by Tyler on Apr 23, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's not true talent level.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly not.
But his true talent level could certainly be at least as good if not better than the Gabe’s.
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by Tyler on Apr 23, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think anybody needs to go. Zobrist is still the primary backup at shortstop
I just think Gross becomes more of the 4th outfielder now.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure.
Sure, Gross and Kapler are both better defensively than Zobrist, but let’s be real. Zobrist is not horrible on defense. Let’s be honest, though. I’ll take Zobrist’s weaker defense and better bat than Gross’ stellar defense and crappy bat. I’m sure most would, too.
Drew
Eduardo Morlan = God.
by Devilray187 on Apr 23, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the ticket to limiting Zobrist's defense is to keep moving him around
A game at short stop here, a game a second base there and a few in the outfield shouldn’t do much damage. As he plays the outfield more we’ll get more data, but so far he’s been average at least.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't been impressed with Kapler's defense. is it really supposed to be very good?
by walkoffwalk on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually been pretty good
I just don’t like the routes he takes. He seems to make all the catches he should but takes a weird way of getting there. I’m always like “oh man he’s not going to get that” but he has decent closing speed and usually ends up making the catch. His D in RF has looked alot better than his D in CF which is what we need.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He just makes everything look more difficult than it could be
and dances around out there.
Swav or Die.
by SRQman on Apr 23, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wants to be on Webgems
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
But, don’t you think it’s a waste of a roster spot to have that many outfielders on the roster? To me, if Zobrist is going to get regular starts in the outfield, then one out the current outfielders on the roster (Gross and Kapler) is definitely expendable. The Rays might as re-call an infielder (Adam Kennedy) to replace Zobrist as the back-up infielder.
Drew
Eduardo Morlan = God.
by Devilray187 on Apr 23, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, and eventually someone in the IF is going to have a minor injury or something
The good thing is with Aybar and Zobrist we should have that covered. Unless there is an injury to Bartlett, I don’t see a reason to change the bench right now. Now if somebody offers up a lower level prospect for Gabe Gross then by all means make that move.
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I trust in this for long-term success.
But okay, this is more reasonable than a ‘tweak’ in batting stance or whatever. Of course, it would help if we knew what advice the guy usually offers rather than “here, hold this bat.”
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 23, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It also looks good that Sutton had a breakout last year as well.
Not saying that BenZo may be a 30 HR guy going forward, but if he can hit 20, walk, and play good defense in RF he is much more valuable than any of us would have thought.
by rglass44 on Apr 23, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the key word is "if".
I’m not buying into this quite yet. It might be possible this guy is a hitting genius, but for now I’m going to see how Zobrist continues to hit.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 23, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Sutton and all
but an abnormally high BABIP probably had an effect on it. None of his batting ball rates changed from 07 to 08, swinging strike rate actually went up (although it was accomponied by a rise in walk rate). I would bet that he isn’t as good as he was last year, altough thats not much of a statement. I’m still not sold on this method as we only have two real examples and no explanation as to how it is calculated. Color me skeptical for the time being
by Navi's_Navy on Apr 23, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting
HItting instructors with proprietary methods and devices are nohing new. In high school our hitting coach, who was one of the top managers in Cape Cod League history developed the Power Strap and had several MLB players marketing it. Didn’t help me a lick.
This still boils down to a struggling, coachable (very very important) hitter willing to take on a new approach to hitting with a very good hitting instructor. Zo already had very good plate discipline and a solid frame. That article spells pretty clearly a full adaptation of a new swing approach and objective.
Hopefully this means, we are now willing to throw out his stats before last season.
by FreeZorilla on Apr 23, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's sound like another Charlie Lau
In that he has a way about him to get certain people who are in a rut to buy into his system and gain confidence themselves. It may not work for established hitters but it might be worth a shot to hire him as a roving instructor. Try someone like Reid Brignac someone that could lapse into “could have been” category.
by 13frain on Apr 23, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
A first hand testimonial and success story can go a long way towards a willingness to give it some serious work and effort. The way JB is smacking the ball on the button this year, you have to wonder if hes been playing around with BenZo’s magic bat.
by FreeZorilla on Apr 23, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect to those who went before me,
I believe my methods will be more significant than Lau’s. Not sure if Lau had the immediate results in both power and consistency. Keep in mind that Zobrist and Sutton were the first 2 guys I worked with. I’ll get better too. Lau had general principles but not measured positions with mathematical formulas. But if anyone could correct me on that, please do. The change is immediate and quite significant with my methods.
jaime cevallos
mkanx director of instruction
by Swing Mechanic on Apr 24, 2009 3:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting read.
Reid Brignac+Magic Hitting Formula= Hanley Ramirez?
by twenty5psi on Apr 23, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This kind of makes me wonder if Cervello's techniques will become main stream, or if he's the Hitting version of Mike Marshall
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Apr 23, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mike Marshall could be more main stream if he would subject himself to peer review.
He won’t talk too or work with James Andrews, who would like to test his theories in a lab.
Tools Whore
by Tyler on Apr 23, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
0r he's the Hitting version of Mike Marshall...
You know I was thinking the same thing. Does Marshall have anyone success stories?
by 13frain on Apr 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
By word of mouth, but not in the majors as far as I know
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Apr 23, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Mike Marshall doesn't like people from all accounts
Cevallos was very cool to talk to.
www.draysbay.com
by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He likes people.....that agree with him 110%
There is no room for dissent in a conversation with him as I hear it.
by Jason Collette on Apr 23, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a second, I'm open to critique!!!
I’m just very confident in what I teach. Don’t confuse the two.
jaime cevallos
mkanx director of instruction
by Swing Mechanic on Apr 24, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wups, I think you were talking about Mike Marshal. Sorry.
jaime cevallos
mkanx director of instruction
by Swing Mechanic on Apr 24, 2009 4:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from himself
Found this video: reminds me of Kenny Powers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8120907397343954248&hl=en&autoplay=1
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Apr 23, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaime Cevallos is a Hitting Genius
I am not meaning to take away credit from Ben Zobrist hitting coaches, however Jaime Cevallos, in my opinion is a hitting genius. I am a patent attorney and Jaime approached me late last year to write the patent for his training bat, his hitting system and method. I was so impressed by Jaime’s understanding of the mechanics of hitting and the physics behind generating more power and consistent hitting that I took an equity stake in the business (MKANX, LLC). The bat not only worked for Ben but numerous other MLB, minor league players, University players, all the way down to little league players. Please refer to http://roadtripmkanx.wordpress.com/ for actual statistics and endorcements we have received on both the bat and Jaime’s hitting techniques. I also want to point out that NONE of the endorsements are PAID endorsements, as is the case with so many other gimmick products.
by InventionRocks on Apr 23, 2009 3:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article Tommy
Do you have any idea where Jaime plans to take this? If this is legit, and from all the reading I’ve done it is, it could be lightning in a bottle. He’s got to get this in front of more people to see if it’s the real deal. Good luck to him in the future and thanks for bringing it to us.
by cymellet on Apr 23, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well he has the website and I'm pretty sure he's working with people now.
I guess it’s just a matter of the right people taking notice and more case studies.
www.draysbay.com
by Tommy Rancel on Apr 23, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So evidently I wasn't wrong when I said I had a feeling that Zobrist had changed his mechanics
Vogt early, Vogt often.
by Brickhaus on Apr 23, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
*Brick patting himself on the back*
"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base."
~Dave Barry
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Apr 24, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to get video
but you can see a definite change in his 2007 swing and his current swing. Almost a completely different swing.
www.draysbay.com
by Tommy Rancel on Apr 24, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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