Bad Baserunning Gets Tiresome Quicker Than ChatSpeak
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 28, 2009 11:58 PM EDT
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PrintWe've talked about the struggles of each unit on this team, and running the bases is no different.
The average American League team made six outs on the basepaths entering tonight's game. That does not include pickoffs, caught stealing, or force plays. At the same time, the Rays had made 10. Tonight, Willy Aybar's tag out at home marks number 11. That's roughly nine runs given up on the basepaths in situations where they really shouldn't have been and four more than the average AL team.
In other words, we've almost cost ourselves an entire win on the basepaths. There's a thin line between aggression and stupidity. I think we're tripping over it right now, and I can only hope the coaching staff works on curbing the problem.
This team needs to start winning series in the absolute worst way right now.
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Yes, I second that motion as well
The baserunning is just getting ridiculous…it wasn’t funny to begin with and now it’s just gotten hideous.
"I never threw an illegal pitch. The trouble is, once in a while I toss one that ain't never been seen by this generation." - Satchel Paige
by Steve Slowinski on Apr 29, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
I don'y have the numbers behind me
but it seemed like this happened quite a bit last year, but when you win, it’s overlooked
No excuse
I remember a lot last year
but it was Foley sending guys home or calling guys over to 3rd that had little chance of getting there.
by Jason Collette on Apr 29, 2009 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Too many times Rays runners get suckered
by the throw cut off and then become easy outs
It did happen a lot last year
There was an article linked from here that showed the Rays were above average last year in baserunning outs and that their sloppiness cost them something like 24 runs if I remember correctly, which over the course of a season sounds about right.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
Using BPro's baserunning numbers:
The Rays are -.7 runs in baserunning overall, but at +1.3 in the SB/CS department, they’re negative 2 in non stealing baserunning. Now, this analysis only care about runs, not wins, so making gaffes in close games versus blowouts hasn’t been accounted for. Here’s the list of all teams ignoring SB/CS:
TOR 4.1
COL 3.6
ANA 0.8
FLO 3.1
SLN 1.3
LAN 2.0
PHI 0.3
PIT 0.5
NYA 0.3
OAK 2.8
WAS 0.8
CLE -0.8
MIN 1.6
TEX -0.9
ARI 0.6
SDN -0.4
CHA -0.4
TBA -2.0
MIL 1.3
SEA 0.2
BOS -0.4
SFN -0.4
DET -1.0
CIN -2.0
KCA -1.5
HOU -1.3
NYN -1.6
CHN -0.7
BAL -2.7
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Er, here it is properly sorted:
TOR 4.1
COL 3.6
FLO 3.1
OAK 2.8
LAN 2.0
MIN 1.6
SLN 1.3
MIL 1.3
ANA 0.8
WAS 0.8
ARI 0.6
PIT 0.5
NYA 0.3
PHI 0.3
SEA 0.2
(blank) 0.0
SDN -0.4
BOS -0.4
SFN -0.4
CHA -0.4
CHN -0.7
CLE -0.8
TEX -0.9
DET -1.0
HOU -1.3
KCA -1.5
NYN -1.6
CIN -2.0
TBA -2.0
BAL -2.7
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
What's the big deal we're not even the worst baserunning team in our division
/sacasm face palm
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 29, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
This was purely Aybar
He should have known the situation and when to run. He hesistated on a ball he should have been running right away. Most “smart” baseball players that results in an easy run as the Twins were conceding the one run by playing deep.
Don't pick offs count?
Wouldn’t Pena getting picked off an inning or two later make 12, or do pick offs not count in this particular stat? If not there’s a host of other outs on the base paths, like the time Michel Hernandez reached on a single then got caught just standing there 5 steps off the bag on the pitcher’s first throw over.
Exactly
It certainly was not being aggressive. It was an easy run for even the slowest ballplayer if he is a “smart” baseball player. Know the situation, know the depth, etc. A groundball to SS or 2B is an easy run in that situation. Aybar didn’t even break until the SS got the ball. way too late. He should have been 4 or 5 steps in by then.
Yes, extra outs are not good. Has the team taken many extra bases that fans have noticed?
Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.
Rays need to get more base runners before I worry about base runners
That means the 2 starters batting below .200. They know who they are.
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The top of the order needed to be shuffled games ago
Maddon is doing his best nero impression
DeRosa couldn’t produce in the 2 spot for CLE, so Wedg moved him down and Cabrera in his spot
Walla—DeRosa goes 4-5 and Cabrera produces
Joe will be waiting on the top to produce, till it becomes too late
B.J.'s hitting liners and walking.
At some point that .235 BABIP is going to shoot up. Yeah, he’s late on some pitches, but how is that going to improve unless he keeps getting at-bats?
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
We went thru this yesterday
Other than strikeouts, Upton’s line drive, ground ball and fast ball percentages remain in proportion with career rates.Upton’s BABIP is now at .250 which means….wait for it….he is due for an upward regression!
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by Tommy Rancel on Apr 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Good point, but...
where do you hide Upton?
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Not judging bossman's talent on average...
I’m just judging his current production. I have no doubt he’ll improve, but until that happens… the offense will continue to struggle.
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Okay, but batting average isn't the best way to do so.
You can use wOBA/OPS and get the idea.
by R.J. Anderson on Apr 29, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, but the average is the only one they flash on the screen during every at bat...
makes it easier for me to yell about it during the game. :)
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You mean you yell for him to...
“get a hit”?
Oh the humanity…
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