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Bullpen Bright Spot In Loss

There's not much to say about tonight's game.  Andy Sonnanstine pitched poorly, Mark Hendrickson pitched less poorly.  If there is a positive that can be taken from this loss it's that the bullpen, which has had it's share of issues this season, was excellent in relief of the not-so-excellent Sonnanstine.Grant Balfour, J.P. Howell, Joe Nelson and Dan Wheeler combined to throw six innings of two hit baseball allowing nary a run in the process. 

It was especially good to see Balfour pitch so effectively considering he had allowed 9 earned runs in 11.1 IP this season.  He only struck out one batter, but threw just 23 pitches in his two innings.  We've been over this before, but even though his K/9 is down and BB/9 is up, his BABiP is a very high .383.  That's going to regress back to the mean and Balfour is going to give us many more outings like tonight, though hopefully we'll never see him pitching in the third inning again. 

Aside from the bullpen there wasn't much to take from the loss.  B.J. Upton nearly hit two home runs, flying out twice to the warning track.  I guess that's progress?  Hooray? 

This picture of Longoria says it all.  Losing is depressing.

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I watch the game and we lose, I don't watch the game and we lose.

I’m starting to feel like my viewership is having no effect whatsoever!

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 12, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It was especially good to see Balfour pitch so effectively considering he had allowed 9 earned runs in 11.1

I’m not convinced Balfour’s troubles are over. The O’s really hit the ball hard in his first inning of work, but right to BJ.

by walkoffwalk on May 13, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Upton

B.J. Upton nearly hit two home runs, flying out twice to the warning track. I guess that’s progress? Hooray?

Not really – for a lead off man he should be getting on base, not swinging for the fences. He should be hitting down in the order, or on the bench.

by kimo from kauai on May 13, 2009 3:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Too little, too late

there are no positives from losing

7.5 GB in May pretty much sinks the season

While i see the Jays faltering, not so with the Red Sox, who have a beat up rotation, yet still are hanging tight

by Raymondo on May 13, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

It looked like he got all of those pitches

If he isn’t hitting it out with those swings I don’t think he’ll be able to hit many out the remainder of the year. His shoulder has really sapped his strength.

by matthan on May 13, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to See

our bullpen put in some solid innings. However, it was not nice to see Sonny get jacked like it was BP or to see in the 6th 7th and 8th us leave 2 guys on base, including Navi’s double play. Gotta find a way to get those runs home.

Tough way to lose when You put up 5 in the 2nd inning and it doesnt even hold the lead.

by Buc Wild on May 13, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

This.

"If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even considering if there are men on base."
~Dave Barry

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on May 13, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Regressions

Balfour’s BABIP was .233 last year. The Rays expected BABIP is about .290. His career BABIP is .306. His 2009 BABP is .337. He is closer now to his career and team expected BABIP than he was last year. Regressing to the mean doesn’t mean you start putting up the mean consistently. It takes lots of small smaple sizes good and bad to get to the mean.

Similarly when people talk about the stock market they often state they expect an 8-9% return. However the market almost never performs at 8-9%. Wild fluctuations from year to year and month to month that end up over long periods of time at about 8-10%.

by FreeZorilla on May 13, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

"Just a lot of bad luck, I think."

said Sonnanstine

“I felt good physically. I felt my pitches were good. It just wasn’t my night.”

it’s this type of reaction that we seem to always get from Sonnanstine every time he gets shelled, and i hate it. Shields takes responsibility, he’ll be the first to say “i sucked tonight.” but every time Sonny is horrible (which has been most of the time this year), all we hear is “bad luck” and “not my night.” take responsibility sonny! realize that you sucked and that you are doing something wrong, then fix it!

by davidsmarch on May 13, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Or

at least blame it on the fans. Give us something to go off here Sonny!

by Buc Wild on May 13, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, I fucking love you.

I absolutely agree. As frustrating as this season has been, and as frustrating as it’d be to win 88 games and miss the playoffs… can a real Rays fan really complain? We’re competitive, for god’s sake! We’re challenging the Red Sox and the Yanks! Two years ago, who really thought this would happen?

I’m thrilled just to be able to enjoy baseball, watching it at home, at the bar, and at the Trop. Yes, I really, really want us to make the playoffs and win the World Series and losses like last night’s and Sunday’s kill me, but shit, I’ll take actually being in position to care as opposed to watching Dewan Brazelton get smoked every five days.

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by Suttree on May 13, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, I completely ignored the shit about couch potatos and being a competitor.

I just thought it was nice to see someone appreciate the fact that the Rays have sucked for a decade and now we’re competitive.

I just get rid of this new sense of entitlement among Rays fan when we’re just barely under .500 hardly a month and a half into the season.

Normally, I’d make fun of this guy.

by Suttree on May 13, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

You get that this post comes after we gave up 7 runs in 2.0 innings, and failed to score on the Baltimore Bullpen right?

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have some expectancy to win that game.

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 13, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course.

It’s absolutely ridiculous to lose that game.

My problem is with guys like matthan, and raymondo, and that sort who pretty much focus solely on the negative and have been bitching pretty much since the first week.

by Suttree on May 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a couch potato let me say:

I’m sure that competing at the highest levels year in and year out is incredibly hard. That’s one of the reason that athletes are paid a ridiculously high amount of money compared to 99% of all other Americans.
I don’t have a problem with high salaries (they are generally meritocratic in distributions), but if you’re going to get paid more than 99% of people, you can’t be shocked when there are calls for accountability. If players aren’t good, it is every fan’s right (bandwagon or diehard) to bitch about it. Fans invest emotion in sports, and with that investment comes their right to bitch, no matter if it is informed or uninformed. If it’s uninformed people are gonna get clowned on.

Having never played sports “as a competitor” doesn’t matter at all. Sports are entertainment, and as such the responsibility is placed squarely on the entertainers (be they players, front office, coaching staff or ownership). Fans have no RESPONSIBILITY to go to games or spend money. It’s not a give and take here. Your ridiculous call to accountability is no different then the cross-eyed nimrods in the attendance threads bitching about empty seats. People are going to go to games, people are going to watch them on TV. If the team leaves it won’t be because of lack of attendance, though that will be the cover story reported and espoused by nitwits who don’t have the critical thinking skills to look any further.

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 13, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

a point with you

emotion does not pay the bills..thats a fact….you have a right to bitch yes…but when they are gone you will have no right to ask why if you dont PAY for your entertainment..yes you do not have a responsiblity to attend..and your insanse reasoning that attendance has no factor in a team leaving or staying is just moronic…OFCOUSE it does.

you call for accountabilty but if you do not INVEST in that accountability do you seroiusly think you have a voice worth listening to?

by srqgatorray on May 13, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

The fact I care

Is gonna make Dan Wheeler pitch like Mariano Rivera? YES

by BJ the Bossman on May 13, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

That

Was the whole point of the joke. All I was saying is that it is hilarious that this board has turned into us arguing about the fans investing emotion into the Rays having any effect on the teams performance instead of actually analyzing empirical statistical information. And yes I have a at least a 4th grade reading level.

by BJ the Bossman on May 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

A couple similarities

To last year. I dont have the numbers in front of me, but Pena was just as bad, if not worse, than BJ was at this time last year in a lineup that was not nearly as good as this one. He regressed to the Pena we know and love by the end of the year and I fully expect BJ to do the same. Anyone who didnt see Balfour being half the reliever he was last year was kidding themselves. I still love Grant, but we all knew he wasnt going to do what he did last year so it should come as no surprise.
And as for all of you calling for callups and trades right now- are you out of your fucking minds? Im sorry but it is still MAY. We could be .500 at the all-star break, win 15 out of 20, and everyone would be dandy. I think Kaz accepts that his fastball isnt what it used to be very soon, and turns into a pitcher that gives us 5+ scoreless everynight. That behind The Crane and Big Game James gives us as good of a 1,2,3 as anyone in the majors. Couple that with the bullpen roles becoming more defined, the best defense (far and away) in the majors, and BJ and Batrick turning it around, and I think we have a contender. And as others have said, if youre a real Rays fan, thats all we can ask for.

by BJ the Bossman on May 13, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

And

Im not really sure why I said a couple similarities, as I only said one, but lets be realisitic here people. There is plenty of time here, we have one of the best managers in the game and THE best GM and it will get fixed. Barring injuries, I dont think anyone in this forum thinks this team is worse than 85 wins, even with how we are playing right now. And we all know how thin the line between 85 and 95 wins really is. SO lets not panic.

by BJ the Bossman on May 13, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

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