Another Post On B.J. Upton And Slumps
Oh great, more talk of B.J. Upton and his struggles; but that's what we do here. We analyze this, analyze that, and then when you think we're done we analyze it again. We're pretty much the Billy Crystal/Robert Deniro movie for the Rays. Once again we are going to talk about the season long slump of B.J. Upton. What started out as "eh, he's just getting some at-bats" then turned into "well, he's at the end of his spring training" and finally has turned in to "so, um B.J. should be hitting by now."
Over the weekend we saw some signs of life from Upton's bat as he had two hits in Saturday's rout and added another hit Sunday. Even last night in a 0-4 effort, B.J. probably hit the two hardest balls of his season. Unfortunately he hit them to a mirror image of himself in centerfielder Adam Jones. The key for B.J. is the first pitch.
After an 0-1 count, Upton has an OBP of just .250 with 23 strikeouts. That is terrible and definitely not the numbers you'd want from a leadoff man. However, after a 1-0 count, Upton's OBP jumps to .341 and the K's fall to 11. It's not quite the vintage .380 OBP B.J., but closer than the 0-1 version. The problem is B.J. is seeing 66% first pitch strikes. Remember this includes first pitches that are put in play for either a hit or an out. Upton is seeing a TON of fastballs right now, 68% in fact, which is about 7% more than he's used to seeing over his career.
Here is where things get a bit tricky. Do we want Upton hacking at the first pitch or do we want him taking? No, it doesn't have to be one or the other, but if a pitcher is throwing a fastball to B.J. 68% of time, I'm guessing that the number of first pitch fastball's he's seeing is even higher.
So far I think we can all agree Upton's timing is off. If he swings at first pitches with bad timing, he's going to continue to hit those roll over ground balls between short and third which drive us mad, or miss the pitch completely which he has done 23.3% of the time. If he takes the first pitch, more than likely he will fall behind 0-1 which is when bad things happen. Upton has taken a career high 33.3% pitches for strikes.
I know this isn't the answer that most people want to hear. There are many that want B.J. dropped in the order or even more ridiculously, benched, but the answer is probably giving him more at-bats which means leaving him right where he is. At .236 Upton is still way below his career BABIP of .350. Also, his line drive percentage remains 4% lower than normal. He is not going to up those percentages or get that timing back by watching Jason Barlett get more ABs.
Just like most of the Rays' frustrating first six weeks the remedy isn't more cowbell; it's more patience.
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The issue is what if it isn't just timing?
What if it is his shoulder? Not that it is injured, but rather that it is not strong enough. These injuries do sap quite a bit of strength and they do take quite a bit of time to build the strength back up.
If the issue is just timing, then we might as well leave him at the top. Although dropping him for a couple weeks and then reinstating him when he is back to BJ wouldn’t be a bad move either.
If it has more to do with his shoulder then dropping him becomes more of a viable option.
I’m honestly leaning towards that his shoulder isn’t right (strength wise). At this point timing has to be less of an issue. It is mid-May. BJ has been playing since the end of March and has been playing full time in the Majors since April 13th.
I think it is close to time to adjust our expectations for BJ in 2009. Definitely less than 10 home runs and I’d say Bartlett hits more than he does. Hopefully BJ can adjust and end up with a strong OBP while playing GG defense.
I don't know about DEFINITELY less than 10 home runs,
but I’d say expecting him to hit 20 this year is probably out of the question. Certaintly the injury has sapped some of his power.
Wait, wait… MATTHAN and I agreed on something?
Get bent, you douchenozzle!
Definitely is a strong word, but I am confident that he won't hit 10
He hit for no power in the 2007 regular season. Even if you include the postseason it was still a pretty powerless season relatively speaking. And so far this year he has shown zero power. We got excited when he made perfect contact with a ball and hit it to the track yesterday. Was that his first warning track shot of the year? He really isn’t showing any power. I can’t really see him turning it around to the point where he can hit 10 this year. I hope it happens, but I doubt it.
Nobody really knows cause I think it is all a function of how his shoulder feels and performs.
Also, I think his first inning flyball went to the warning track.
That’s based on Staats call though, since the visual was down for the first two hitters.
by R.J. Anderson on May 13, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
He does seem to be swinging the bat better
His double off Beckett was very nice to see.
Although he seems late quite a bit.
He stole the idea from me, don't be suprised.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
His shoulder must not be at full strenght yet. He's not really hitting anything hard. Even last night's deep fly ball seemed to take a long time to get to the wall (if that means anything).
I don't think we go around examining the arc of homerun balls.
by R.J. Anderson on May 13, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought he hit that bal well(obviously), but he didnt torch it...
It didnt appear to be struck out in front and with a great stroke. If he got great wood and put a great swing on that one to center, then we are in trouble.
I thought he got great wood on it
But of course this is relatively speaking compared to BJs other at bats. His swing just looks way out of whack.
Let me rephrase....
bviously when you hit a ball around 400 feet, it is struck well. But if he “got” that pitch, we are in trouble. He struck it well, but didnt appear to meet it out front and get through it as much as he needed to. He still hit 2 balls well last night, so lets hope he is starting to round back into shape.
Beej
Benching BJ would be insanity. However, I’d support a temporary bump down in the order until he got his groove back. He is pressing as evidenced by his discipline #s. A temporary bump won’t hurt his confidence if he is already pressing and it may help him relax. He has swung the stick better of late. I don’t think getting one less AB will really hurt his progress and it may help the lineup. its not a slump, its still a rehab.
Maintaining the same amount of strike zone accuracy as before.
by R.J. Anderson on May 13, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing you're taking my comment literally.
Which is both hilarious and sad.
by R.J. Anderson on May 13, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But if you're half black
It makes you mega hustletastic. See, e.g., Derek Jeter, Grady Sizemore, Gabe Kapler (black from the waist down).
Vogt early, Vogt often.
What if his unusually high BABIP in '07 make that season
an aberration, and what we’re seeing is the real BJ?
It doesn't make the entire season an abberation, just the ability to hit .300
He’s not going to be able to do that without some luck, which he got that season. His strikeout rate is always going to keep him closer to .280. His on-base skills are real enough, and he does have power potential. It’s just a matter of his shoulder getting healthy.
Let's pray you're right, but his power
spurt in the post season tells two stories
1- We all thought his lack of power last season was due to his shoulder problem. That was negated in the post season
2- If his shoulder is healed, where is his power? Travis Hafner had shoulder surgery ,and while now on the DL he slammed 4 HR in the beginning of the season
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1- We all thought his lack of power last season was due to his shoulder problem. That was negated in the post season
We’ve been through this before. B.J. rested for about 10 days before the playoffs and then just let loose knowing he was getting the surgery. He admited he held back during the regular season for this reason.
2- If his shoulder is healed, where is his power? Travis Hafner had shoulder surgery ,and while now on the DL he slammed 4 HR in the beginning of the season
Hafner has significantly more power than Upton, and doesn’t the fact that he hit four home runs and landed right back on the DL say maybe what he was doing wasn’t the best thing for his shoulder?
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by Tommy Rancel on May 13, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
In reference to number 2.
Different strokes for different folks. You can’t compare the recovery time between two players, even for the same injury. Different body structure, different genetics, different situations.
Of course you're right
but BJ hasn’t really hit the ball hard for the most part
Forget the power
'07 wasn't true talent
He got lucky that year. Everyone knew that.
2008 BJ was significantly better than he is this year. Even if 2008 was his true talent level you would expect some growth over time. That’s the reason this year is out of line. It’s not like he’s repeating ‘08 and we think he should be playing at ’07 levels. He’s no where near ’08.
Defensively he was far superior in 2008.
That actually made him an entire win more valuable than 2007, despite the offense being down.
by R.J. Anderson on May 13, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Plz get BJ some HGH ASAP
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
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