Troy Percival Is Not A Good Pitcher
by Erik Hahmann on May 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT
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PrintMaybe beer league, sure. But not the Major Leagues. I don't want to hear the "he's a closer and closers don't do well in those situations" excuse. There's no excuse for how poorly he pitched tonight.
The team was up 8-2 in the bottom of the 9th when Percival entered the game. Then the fun started.
-Izturis lead off double
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-Roberts deep home run
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-Pie deep home run
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Percival threw nine pitches to those three batters, and three runs scored. I don't know how the next batter, Nick Markakis, flew out to left for the first out of the inning, but the Orioles should seriously considering fining him for that. Aubrey Huff was up next and laced a double to left field, which finally got Maddon to the mound to pull Percival. Instead of giving the ball to Maddon and walking off the mound like he should have, Percival stood there, putting his hand on Maddon's shoulder and, almost laughing, did not leave the mound until J.P. Howell had arrived. Stop with the good 'ole boy act, Percival, and march your washed up ass to the bench when the manager takes you out of a game. It's where you belong.
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Despicable
His comments on the mound being relieved were pathetic. His mindset and demeanor was pathetic. He affected the whole mood and swing of the game.
Please, Troy, take a look in the mirror. Take a long look. Be happy with what you have done, but don’t blame others for your own mistakes.
Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!
Percival
Joe Madden also needs to take a look at Percival. Friendship is clouding his judgement. One more inning and we would have lost with Percival. He’s washed up. He was good and now he’s not. End of story.
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by GomesSweetGomes on May 13, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Another thing....
His act totally changes how the Rays have to approach a 9th inning situation. I think its fair to say that he is at best unreliable. He wll need backup every time out. And Joe thinks he doesn’t expect OIL PAINTINGS! Well, he needs to have Troy wake the heck up and get himself into gear. Tonight’s game should have been an 8-3 final and your pathetic moves made J.P. Howell pitch 2/3rds of an inning he should have never had to pitch.
Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!
Every team is only as strong as it's weakest link
He’s it
If the Tigers can cut Sheffield with all his money left on his contract, certainly we can eat the remaining 3.1 on his contract and send this horse out to pasture.
by Jason Collette on May 13, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
Thank God he decided to suck when we had a huge lead. If this was a 3 run game and we ended up losing cause of Percival I think the season would officially have been over.
What will it take
to get him out of here, seriously? I’ll admit, I’m not a huge in depth stats guy, but I know baseball. I watch baseball. I read about baseball. Anytime this guy comes in, its heart attack central. The outs he gets aren’t easy, he struggles to get them. He gives up HARD hits, these arent bloopers that find open area.
What the hell will it take for the FO to get rid of him, or for Maddon to dial up the bullpen in the bottom of the 9th and call up someone else?
There aren't any stats backing Percival up. His FIP is nearly 8.
by R.J. Anderson on May 14, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The mainstream stats supported him until last night's debacle.
Between the lines, we all knew this was coming.
by FreeZorilla on May 14, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
And now Howell's probably not available tomorrow
Pretty ironic Percival had words for a fan last week…
Bitter fantasy owner sez:
I just dumped him (for Hanrahan…make that “Bitter DESPERATE fantasy owner”), and TEN FREAKING MINUTES LATER he leaves a big stinky one-game 104.00 ERA parting gift for me.
Thanks a lot you fat tub o’ sh*t.
by MegaTrollificus on May 14, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions
Hey Eric, great post man but your preachin to the choir
The sooner Percival gets the hell out of dodge, the sooner we all will be saying, “Whatthe hell took so long?”
by TheUltimateBucFan on May 14, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
The only love Troy gets is by fucking a tub of Crisco
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
The fuck is wrong with you?
AC/DC + Tampa Bay Rays = Big Balls on a Budget
by Orlando Rays on May 14, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions
It's past the point of attacking his performance.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
I heard he had some kind of mix between AIDS and Rabies
called RAIDieS
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
by Sandy Kazmir on May 14, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I truly don't understand why he isn't DFA'd
or at least put on the DL with an injury. Not only is he the worst player of the team, but his attitude and recent behavior are garbage.
See that is what bothers me..
His performance is piss poor, no doubt, but his comments and attitude is what really takes the cake. Is he delusional? Does he see the same world others do? I think I agree that Maddon’s friendship is clouding his judgment. You can’t ride this man consistently with games on the line, or as we saw last night, games NOT on the line which become nail biters. It’s pathetic on a multitude of levels.
Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!
seriously, who's the fucking boss here?
when the manager comes out after you’ve ROYALLY STUNK UP THE JOINT, you don’t stand there on the mound like a giant ass and place your giant fat paw on the manager’s shoulder and make combative conversation. you give the ball to maddon and SLINK AWAY QUIETLY. who’s running the show here??? it sure as hell isn’t percival. KNOW YOUR ROLE, FAT MAN!
Not in 7 or so starts this season
But the 2008 season disagrees with you.
by Erik Hahmann on May 14, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Percival isn't the only issue here
I agree – Percy ain’t getting it done, and last night was pitiful. However….
Who do you want to close? Balfour has been almost as bad. I guess that JP is our best option, but I don’t really think that’s a great option. Price? I don’t think so.
And, if JP becomes our closer, who are we going to use in the bullpen when we actually want to get people out in a non-closer situation?
Maybe we should just go with that dreaded “closer by committee”
Balfour has been getting it together
A much better option than Percy and he has a history of performing better in high leverage situations. There is nothing wrong with closer by committee. We are undefeated when using Percy in 1 out saves.
Balfour in a one run game scares the hell out of me
Granted most relievers walk a tight rope in that situation, but i detest the BB, and probably prohibits me from liking Balfour
To back my point
Hat tip for the soft toss:
In non-save situations, Balfour has walked 81 batters in 588 Plate Appearances for a BB% of 16.6%.
In save situations he has walked 6 in 104 for a 5.8% BB%.
Papelbon 6.5% BB in save situations
Rivera 5.1% BB in save situations
How any 'close' situations
has he been in v all others?
Actual Saves
5 1/3 inning, 5 saves, 9 Ks, 1 hit, 1 BB
by FreeZorilla on May 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying GB is Rivera or Papelbon
But there is a sample size of over 100 at-bats in save situaitons where Balfour has been dominant. Even more impressive is a K% of 35.6%. His K/9 in sv sit is 12.3. His BB/9 is 1.95. And 0 HRs given up. Under last years FIP constant of 3.2 that is a FIP of 1.18 in save situations.
Or we could just always complain the sky is falling and there is no hope. Why are you a fan?
by FreeZorilla on May 14, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand how anyone can question Balfour's ability to pitch in high-leverage situations
after last season. Did we miss the entire second half or something? Even with a 1 walk per appearance, he’ll still strikeout the side.
The thing is
hes jsut as effective, inheriting a jam which is a much tougher situation. Thats why I use him there if a situation arises. If it doesn’t, he closes.
by FreeZorilla on May 14, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
Balfour was very effective last season, especially down the stretch.
Of course, Percival was very effective for the first half of last season too.
Balfour’s past history was such that no one claimed him on waivers last year too.
I’m all for trying something different, my point was just that dropping Percival from the role is only half the answer → we need to find someone in the bullpen that’s pitching better…and right now, that answer isn’t obvious.
Balfour's career FIP is like 3.7, just because he got waived doesn't mean he sucks.
And everyone in the pen is pitching better than Percival.
by R.J. Anderson on May 14, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick Swisher and Jon Van Every are pitching better then Percival.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
Balfour>Wheeler
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
by Sandy Kazmir on May 14, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Trick question
the cotton candy has a whole film canister of kief in it
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
by Sandy Kazmir on May 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wade Davis
I know his walk ratio is higher than the Rays would like it to be. But Percy’s ERA is higher than that I believe. Bring him up and put him into some high leverage situations. This will get him ready for the pressure of becoming a starter in the Majors. It will also teach him early on to control his emotions and work his way out of jams while he is a starter. Wade Davis PLEASE !!!
by PewterPirate55 on May 14, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
J.P. works because
A) No more Percival
B) Left-handed with good stuff
As for the other times we need an out, we have Balfour and Nelson to lean on, and whoever takes Percival’s spot — unless it’s Isringhausen, we just can’t get rid of douchebag old relievers.
by R.J. Anderson on May 14, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Could've just ended it at J.P. works
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by Tommy Rancel on May 14, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
The worst part
About all of this is Percival is quoted as saying “his arm felt the best it has in 2 years last night”…. What the fuck happens on a bad night? What is it going to take for us to not put Percival in these situations? I mean last night is as bad as it gets. These are the things that worry me. Not BJ starting slow or Grant not quite yet in form, but the possibility of blowing these sorts of games. Thats where that “thin line” between 85 and 92/93 wins really lies. NO MORE FAT ASS
by BJ the Bossman on May 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions
As bad as Percival is, he's not the difference in 7 wins.
by R.J. Anderson on May 14, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
There's nothing to say he couldn't be. From Macro numbers maybe not, but situationally it's not out of the realm of possibility
If the Rays have a bad record in games decided by 1 run or something that could be a 7 win shift (IE 2007 ’backs, 2008 angels).
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 14, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably right though RJ
I just meant these sort of mistakes in general, not just Percival.
by BJ the Bossman on May 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasnt apologizing
just making my statement clear. And you sir, can suck it.
by BJ the Bossman on May 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Along with percocet and fetal position
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 14, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
OH IM SO STUPID
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 14, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Dont forget
Pussy Clamp and Douche Nozzle
by BJ the Bossman on May 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
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