The Jake Peavy Trade: From San Diego to Chicago

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT

No word on the exact names but Gordon Edes is reporting that there will be four pitching prospects heading back to San Diego, including Clayton Richard and Aaron Poreda. Over the last three seasons, Peavy has been worth WAR of 4, 6.2, and 2.8; Kazmir's WAR: 3.9, 5.2, 2. Peavy is due nearly 60 million over this and the ensuing three seasons. Kazmir is less expensive, also less durable, and right now looks like a wreck. I'm not saying Kazmir would bring back a similar package in quality or quantity, but if the Rays seriously pursue a trade at some point, this is probably a template from which other teams will look to work on.

Nobody really considered the White Sox a potential trade partner anyways. Cincinnati, Milwaukee, maybe St. Louis, and Texas seem a whole lot more likely, so the actual deal doesn't seem to hurt our chances. Of course this assumes Kazmir's trade value remains at a reasonable level and ... you know; if he sets his arm on fire it might actually help us more than if he makes his next start.

Update: And there's a chance Peavy just kills this entire thing.

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Let's hope Hendry's trigger finger gets itchy.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions

Can you explain to me why on earth this trade is happening, R.J?

I haven’t been following either team all that closely, but the Padres must be in financial meltdown mode to trade one of the five best pitchers in the game. And Chicago’s farm system (as per Dave Cameron, Sickels, and BP) is really shoddy, so how is this happening without trading Beckham? Plus Chicago isn’t winning now and there’s no indications it will be this year or next year. I guess it’s more or less like a big $15 million/year+ free agent signing. What’s going on?

by Decatur on May 21, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm usually clueless when it comes to Kenny Williams trades

See: Selling ridiculously low on Nick Swisher.

I guess Chicago thinks they can win this year and San Diego must love Poreda and whoever else Chicago is sending that way — I think Dave speculated maybe Jordan Danks, which makes sense.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I think Clayton Richard is the key

Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!

by joedobr on May 21, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions

The Pale Hose have almost always taken a right now approach

They did trade Vasquez for prospects, but that was as much a salary cut as prospect grab. The Swish deal – ??? I guess they really liked Marquez, saw Betemit as a fall back if Fields struggled, and didn’t have much use for Swish – plus Ozzie seemed to really hate him.

The AL Central is still wide open, and Contreras, Thome, Dotel, and Colon are gone next year. They cut pay substantially this year, and are in line to do it again. Seems they’re getting pumped up for another run, with Peavy as a long term piece for continued competitiveness.

by nyyfaninlaaland on May 21, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions

San Diego's owner is going through a messy divorce

And is strapped for cash, IIRC. Frankly though, they could use a rebuild. Their current personnel isn’t going to get them all that far, and they have a few valuable pieces who can be traded for quantity.

Vogt early, Vogt often.

by Brickhaus on May 21, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Isn't San Diego getting a new owner soon anyways?

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Great city, great uniforms

Great ballpark, awesome atmosphere, they deserve better. San Diego and Washington both deserve better.

Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!

by joedobr on May 21, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions

Who do the Cubs have that you like?

by usfraysfan on May 21, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Vitters would be ideal.

Even if Hendry deals him for Bedard, Lee, whomever, it helps raise the SP trade market value. At least in theory.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm not really sure how Peavy and Kaz are that comparable at this time

Kaz is like the D-Train right now.

by matthan on May 21, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions

Uh I didn't say they were...

I’m not saying Kazmir would bring back a similar package in quality or quantity, but if the Rays seriously pursue a trade at some point, this is probably a template from which other teams will look to work on.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions

I don't think I could be too upset about him staying in the NL

I wonder if the Cubs or the Mets will step up

by usfraysfan on May 21, 2009 1:04 PM EDT reply actions

wonder what we could have traded to get him. Would be nice to have Peavy, Garza and Shields in a playoff series

and two first round draft picks after the season

Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete

by stpetelawyer on May 21, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

Good to see the Litigious One return!!

Fair point…

Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!

by joedobr on May 21, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Davis or Price + others.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Can never, ever have enough pitching

I guess what this episode proves is that “Success is Fleeting”…Kazmir had it all coming off of 240 K’s in 07 and an AL K title. He has to know something is amiss. He HAS to!

Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!

by joedobr on May 21, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Perhaps he knows something is amiss.

Swav or Die.

by SRQman on May 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Good point

I love how you use the word perhaps.

Put Tampa Bay back on our road uniforms!!

by joedobr on May 21, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions

You can have too much pitching if it means fielding a lineup of replacement level positional players.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Leave the Giants out of this

Sabes like his team

Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.

-Al Lopez

by Sandy Kazmir on May 21, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions

Send Kazmir to Seattle

Give me Jeff Clement and Shawn Kelley in return.

Book it, done

What's on my mind

by Jason Collette on May 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions

Kelley is not being traded. Clement may well be, but Kelley's not.

by Decatur on May 21, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

OT: no Zobrist again

i really don’t get this shit Maddon. i don’t like to question you, but WTF man? the dude’s been raking at the plate, and we sit him for 3 straight days? nothing kills a batter that’s in the zone quite like sitting him for days at a time, then bringing him in once a game to try and bail out ass out of a mess…

by davidsmarch on May 21, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions

Nothing can kill Zilla...

by FreeZorilla on May 21, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope we dont get prospects for Kazmir

talk about a waste. We need a big name player. Even if it’s a C-lister, prospects would be worthless.

by Sylar on May 21, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions

We dont' want to get Kazmir-ed Kazmir-ed.

by Sylar on May 21, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Kazmir was a prospect when we got him ... so wouldn't we be "Kazmir'ing" someone all over again?

Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete

by stpetelawyer on May 21, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions

No, because no other team are as stupid as the Mets were now.

There’s a bigger chance we’d get Zambrano-ed

by Sylar on May 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Houston, Kansas City, and Washington.

by R.J. Anderson on May 21, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Kazmirs better than Zambrano was anyways.

by Sylar on May 21, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions

if we get a somewhat useful prospect and kaz never comes back to form

i’d say we fleeced the other team. kaz might just be another “d-train” as others have mentioned and be completely done.

Regressing to the mean streets of St. Pete

by stpetelawyer on May 21, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions

Why wouldn't we want prospects?

We have three young pitchers we could bring up to replace Kaz. We’re not going to get a big name player even if Kaz goes on a tear. Other than catcher, what big name player could dramatically improve our position player situation? With the way Zobrist is hitting and Gross is playing defense, a RF really isn’t a priority.

We need more prospects to keep the system healthy.

by Suttree on May 21, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions