A Quick Comparison: CC Sabathia Versus David Price
by R.J. Anderson on May 26, 2009 10:48 AM EDT
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PrintWhy Sabathia? Big lefty, blazing fastball and slider, hyped, it works.
Sabathia's last start:
Price last night:
Most notable difference in this small sample size comparison:
- Sabathia uses a change-up.
- Sabathia's slider breaks a lot more horizontally, of course it also goes 5-6 MPH slower than Price's too.
- Price's spike curve breaks more vertically than any other pitch recorded. The more I think about it the more it makes sense that Price would feel more comfortable with a curve than change. The latter is a feel pitch, the former requires some innate ability to spin the ball, Price clearly has that ability (see: slider). That's purely conjecture though.
- Sabathia's fastballs have a tighter cluster in movement. Not sure what that means going forward.
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We've jumped the shark:
People of Mustached American descent solute you for your fine blog posting on Dale Thayer’s labia sebucula (Latin for “lip sweater”).
Carry on.
The American Mustache Institute
— Email.
No joke I can make here would do "labia sebucula" justice.
So I’m just going to say it again: labia sebucula
by ReasonableDoubt on May 26, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
It's hard not to marvel at that masculine masterpiece.
But as ESPN pointed out, Clay Zavada presents himself as a serious challenger:
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
I know this is kind of unrelated
But if Joe really wants JP to be available for the highest leverage situations every night (which I do not disagree with), essentially making it impossible for him to close, than why not give Thayer a shot to close while hes still up? I mean the guy has been a closer his whole career, has “closer stuff”, and is there really another option? It cant get any worse than last night, and I thought Thayer looked solid even though he allowed those 2 runs.
And really, what are the other viable options at this point? I guess Joe is just going to continue with the “by situation and matchup” thing, but if were going to have someone in our bullpen that is called a “closer”, than I would much rather see the ’stache in there than fuckin Izzy.
by BJ the Bossman on May 26, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions
Just a statement to help with the comparison
My first order of business is to get a new minor league pitching instructor, one wjo advocates throwing strike one
Our pitching sucks
and i’ll go on record to say we’ll regret giving Jackson away for many years to come
I'm on it.
and i’ll go on record to say we’ll regret giving Hammel away for many years to come
Today, we are all Honkballers.
I dont get the hype that everyone like ESPN and MLB is giving Price
He has a great fastball and slider, but he doesnt seem to command them very well. Of course he is better than what he showed last night. I think he will be good, but he is getting more hype than Felix and Sabathia did. I think Kershaw is as good as Price. I will probably get roasted for saying that.
I don't think you'd get roasted for implying Kershaw and Price are on the same level.
In fact, based on Price’s performance last night, that would be very flattering. Kershaw is absolutely disgusting.
As for the Price hype… 6’5 lefties who throw 97 mph fastballs with an 89 mph slider, plus good mechanics, plus great college and minor league performances… That’s nice.
I think everyone has a nasty hard on for Kershaw.
Too bad he’ll blow out his elbow long before Price does.
He threw two
One was a borderline strike but ruled high, and the second was way out of the zone. Clocked at ~76.
by PlayOnWords on May 26, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm so sick of the pitch count mentality this club has
It’s ruined Kazmir and will do the same to Price
Do like the Tigers have regarding Verlander and Porcello
Tigers philosophy is a pitcher
only has so many bullets, don’t use them up in the minors
I still don't understand
You’re advocating a strict or not strict pitch count?
by PlayOnWords on May 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
How dare the Rays try and keep their arms healthy.
by R.J. Anderson on May 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Hellickson has had injury issues since high school.
And you do realize that one major injury in three years is ridiculously good, right?
by R.J. Anderson on May 26, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of pitch counts
Look at Mickey Lolich, Gaylord Perry and any pitcher from twenty years ago
Sandy Koufax's career coming to an early end because of arm injuries.
Luis Tiant luckily rebuilt his career after being abused.
History has a lot more destroyed elbows and shoulders than it does healthy pitchers throwing 160+ a game.
I believe it was Bill James who wrote that guys used to have their elbows destroyed at the same if not worse rate
The difference: you never heard about them because they faded away.
by R.J. Anderson on May 26, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
????????????
zuh?
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 26, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
btw, a side note
i was at Disney this weekend and couldn’t get one Rays or Magic game, at Saratoga Springs where i stayed
RJ, we all know why you compared DP and CC. It has nothing to do with handiness, fastball or slider.
You are a racist.
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 26, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions
I think its a fat people thing
He reppin’ for his own.
by PlayOnWords on May 26, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
and i’ll go on record to say we’ll regret giving Adam Kennedy away for many years to come
Today, we are all Honkballers.
by RATW on May 26, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because he's had a flukey few good games at Oakland?
Look at the guy’s career line. He’s not getting any younger either. We’re fine.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on May 26, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Price has always had command issues
even in college. He can get a little wild inside the strike zone, but 6’6 (he might actually be pushing 6’7) lefties that throw as hard as Price does always take longer to fully develop. He’s going to be really, really good, and age is irrelevant. History is littered with numerous pitchers that took years to fully develop. Hell, Randy Johnson didn’t have everything come fully together for him until he was in his 30s.
Hello.
OT: What ever happened to our second rounder from a couple years ago?
Will Kline? Seemed like a cheap pick to save money at the time
I'll say it again here
Is anyone else worried that he becomes one of those pitchers who rarely gets through the 6th inning because of pitch count. He has seemed to have a lot of trouble keeping his pitch count down this year.
I got a few nos in the other thread, but just wondering why you think that it won’t be a problem for him
Cut Izzy!
It's unproveable
He’s made one start, and at Durham he was on a 75-pitch limit and working very heavily on developing off-speed stuff. We can say almost nothing conclusive about David Price after this start or any in 2009.
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