5/27 GDT: Tampa Bay Rays @ Cleveland Indians Part 3
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:26 PM EDT
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I hope they use JP tonight
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Percival saw Dr. Koko Eaton's last name and mistook it for his prescribed treatment.
by Lurch's Lobbyists on May 27, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
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Pitching staff has been playing too much Gears of War.
M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!
There's really no reason not to give Mitch Talbot a shot next time Sonny's spot comes up.
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I was thinking the guy with the 4.53 ERA isn't the biggest problem.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
And what do the meaningful numbers say?
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Davis would eventually take Niemann's spot
But he could use more time in AAA. Talbot isn’t really going to benefit from more AAA seasoning.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions
So, start Talbot in place of Niemann and Davis or Kaz takes Sonny's place.
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, Davis will benefit from some more AAA time
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say to make that move immediately.
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Hence my original point: Talbot starts for Sonny the next time his spot is up.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right. Sign me up for more Sonnanstine starts.
Can’t get enough of this.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the deal
I don’t think either Sonny OR Niemann is a long-term solution. Hell, Talbot almost definitely isn’t, either. But he deserves at least a shot, and there’s not going to be a better time than this. And Niemann still deserves more time. Am I throwing Sonnanstine out because of 2009? Of course not, he doesn’t deserve to be completely disregarded, but we can easily afford to demote him, either to the bullpen or to Durham.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What has Niemann ever done that Sonnanstine hasn't topped?
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you read my post?
But since you asked, I’m going to refer you back to the ERA. Has Niemann’s process been good? Of course not, but neither has Sonnanstine’s and the results clearly favor Niemann. Is his ERA going to stay there if Niemann keeps doing what he does? No, but he sure as hell deserves more than, what, 8 starts before we decide that he can’t be an effective pitcher.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I read your post.
And I asked a follow-up question. What has Niemann done that Sonnanstine hasn’t topped? Majors? Better. Minors? Better. What makes Niemann more deserving outside of ERA? Because if you want to improve, you better damn well look at the processes and not the results.
by R.J. Anderson on May 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, he hasn't posted a 7.66 ERA
Again, my point isn’t that Niemann > Sonny, it’s that Niemann deserves more than 9 starts to state his case.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Niemann has more upside so I'd rather keep giving him starts
plus Sonny can go down to Durham, Niemann can’t.
No he isn't. He has like 38 strikeouts to 30 walks.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
With a 0.61 GO/AO
He’s still developing. His ERA and BAA are his only good stats really.
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade Davis 9 starts 47 innings
Price 8 Starts 34 Innings.
I doubt Wade Davis was given too many more pitches over the 75 Price was limited too and averaged about an inning more an outing.
i hope orlando kicks their ass like they are doing to my cavs
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ya but my twolves suck lol
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time to get rid of sonny and nelson
i cant stand watching them anymore
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i would think very low
probably could get him for a below average prospect
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most likely nowak since they have enough Ruggiano types
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i wish bowden's dumbass was still their GM
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Rizzo seems like the type who might want to "shake it up"
Which would be beautiful.
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ya i heard they have been shopping Nick Johnson for Bullpen help
offered him to the Mets for Parnell and the Red Sox for Delcarmen
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RJ do you know what Ziegler's contract is like
any chance the A’s are going to be trying to dump him? How about Devine when he is healthy. I know Devine has been around about a year longer (Braves called him up the year he was drafted) I wouldn’t mind trying to get either one of those guys but they may still be a year or two away from being shipped off
Didn't Devine get TJ earlier this year?
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by Imperialism32 on May 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Ziegler's well under team control and Devine's out through the beginning of next year.
I’m doing legwork on a “Guys to buy low on” relief post. I’ve got a Ramon Castro post going up tomorrow too.
by R.J. Anderson on May 27, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Nelson was buying high.
Wheeler was a combo of selling high and banking on more regression than we got.
by R.J. Anderson on May 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
No! Please don't take our Ramon Castro!
It’s not our fault that upper management thinks that he’s worse than Brian Schneider and Omir Santos. They no smart!
Jerry Manuel...stop being....stupid...
so sonny to AAA?
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I wouldn't mind it for a start or two just so he can work out some things. Bring Talbot up
unless, how many options does Talbot have left? If he has only 1 I don’t know if I do it.
im not too high on talbot as you are
i say its time for Wade Davis
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I'm going to go blue in the face
It is not time for Wade Davis. He needs some more AAA time. 30 strikeouts. 23 walks. I am a robot.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
he would be more effective than Sonny right now
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and Desmond Jennings would be more effective than the Gabe's
doesn’t mean you risk the future for and immediate fix.
It's not just about right now.
Otherwise Joyce, Price, and Davis would’ve opened the year on the roster.
by R.J. Anderson on May 28, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone doubts that Davis is better than Talbot
but we also don’t want to rush him up to the bigs.
True, but i also think that Talbot is going to be more effective out of the pen in the majors
get rid of Nelson and call up Talbot to help out the pen
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Talbot at least has to be TRIED as a starter
Look, in a year if everything goes relatively well, we have Shields Garza Kazmir Price Davis. I agree, Talbot’s future is in the pen, but you have to give him a shot at starting.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
ok then call him up and give him his shot
i will be very happy if he proves his worth as a starter
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Once Kazmir comes back whoever is in that spot
Sonny or Talbot or Davis is going to be back in Durham anyway pending a great 2 starts.
thats why im now thinking to call up Talbot and see how he does and if he does good, then hand him a bullpen spot when Kaz comes back
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Talbot's option would've been used in ST when he was sent down.
by R.J. Anderson on May 28, 2009 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions
We can call him up for three, send him down for two, call him back up for the rest of the year and it makes no difference.
by R.J. Anderson on May 28, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions
so this is his last year he has options?
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ok so RJ, call up Talbot to replace Sonny?
and what to do with Nelson?
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No one, Sonnanstine doesn't deseve to be booted out of the rotation.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i cant stand too many more bad starts from Sonny
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so then you think he can still be effective?
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I think this is only his 2nd option year
1 last to send him down and 1 this. When was he addded to the 40? I thought it was prior to ’08, or in ’07 but never called up so never optioned out.
by nyyfaninlaaland on May 28, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
wish i could say the same about his brother right now
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when's Bossman going to start killing the ball?
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Prob never
Great. centerfielder though. Prob will end up as a below average hitter with a good walk rate with a good amount of steals and little pop. Disappointing, but still a useful player.
im still hoping for him to go on a crazy streak
like joe mauer this month (i wish)
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"below average hitter"
Uhh he was like 20 runs above average last year.
by R.J. Anderson on May 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
with a bum shoulder i might add
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Can someone take a baseball bat to that shoulder then?
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
he will turn it around in time this season
he is way too good of a hitter to stay like this
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We have different definitions of average
I compare him to his peers. His peers as in the other starting centerfielders. He is average at best with the stick in that regard. Of course if you read my statement I was separating “hitting” and “walking”. His walking makes his plate appearances far more valuable. But his actual hitting skills are pretty weak (for the past year and a half).
his shoulder was weak for a year of that
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But his shoulder is healthy and he's beyond awful
You can’t just discount it as “he’s too good to let it continue” when it’s been going on this long.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
im not making an excuse for him this year
he sucks this year, i hope he turns it around, but you really cant say anything about him last year, he played with an injury that most players would hang it up for the season and get the surgery
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Of course, he deserves a ton of credit for last year.
But Joe Nelson was good last year too. Doesn’t mean what he’s doing this year isn’t a problem.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like NYY fans and Melky Cabrera after last year
young players can and do rebound.
by nyyfaninlaaland on May 28, 2009 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions
anyone else think that Brignac reminds them a bit of Chad Orvella
in the sense that he just looks scared against the big boys. He has very little confidence it seems at the plate
Well, he hasn't really hit since 2006.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, after a year there
He’ll definitely take some time to adjust to MLB methinks.
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by Imperialism32 on May 28, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions
actually, you know who reminded me of orvella? choate.
he has that slumped-shoulders, short-neck thing going on.
Sonny is killing us
Aybar cannot play 2nd. I’m sorry but it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. He is way too slow to play middle infield.
OT: Zambrano is crazy
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the funniest part of it when he threw the ump out of the game
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never heard of him
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how did jennings do today?
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OT: Baltimore is starting to scare me
they have been playing very good lately, Weiters up tomorrow, Tillman probably up soon, Jones kiling the ball, etc.
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Does Sonny have options left?
Like to see his starts given to Talbot until Kazmir gets healthy/sees a psychologist, when Kazmir is ready, have him take over the Talbot/Sonny slot. Price stays in the rotation.
ya i believe Sonny has three option years left actually
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