When in Doubt, Nudge the Attendance Issue
"It kind of seems like the intensity is really not there with the crowd and whatnot," Kazmir said. "But for a pitcher, you have to have that no matter what; you have to go out there and battle, no matter what team you're facing, no matter what the crowd is like."
It's a bit difficult to extract whether Kazmir means that he pitches better with a full house or if the team simply plays better. We all know about the win/loss record when the stands are packed, but does that same idea apply to Kazmir? Let's look at his 14 home starts from 2008, average attendance in these games was a little over 25,000. Is there a relationship between the number of seats sold and the Win Probability Added by Kazmir on that night?

Doesn't seem to be much of a relationship there, but WPA is unfair to pitchers on hits and fielding mistakes, so let's look at some other measures, just to give Kazmir the benefit of the doubt.
Let's break the starts up into three tiers: highly attended (25k+), lowly attended (less than 25k), sellouts. That gives us six, five, and three. Imperfect, but there's not much we can do about it. Here's how those tiers average out
| Type | GS | IP | TBF | HR | SO | BB | Strk% |
| Sellout | 3 | 6 | 25 | 0.33 | 4.7 | 2.7 | 62 |
| H. Attnd. | 6 | 5 | 23 | 1 | 5.2 | 4.2 | 58.5 |
| L. Attnd. | 5 | 6 | 24 | 0.4 | 7 | 2.4 | 67 |
Now look, nobody is saying the players don't feel more pumped up in front of a full crowd. That's obvious. Doing things this way creates a sample bias because of course he's going to be better in front of nobody, that implies the opponent was weak. Just look at the opponents list for lowly attended starts: Rangers, Astros, Athletics, Yankees, Orioles. Now sellouts: Red Sox, Twins, White Sox. So yeah, Kazmir doing better in lowly attended games makes perfect sense.
Most of Kazmir's starts over the years have been a delight to take in, but he's doing absolutely nobody any favors by harping on the attendance issue while correlating his poor outings with the poor outings in the seats. Plus, it doesn't help Kazmir that in the past, many conversations about which games to attend were stemmed upon his schedule.
Maybe after your contract expires you can go to Toronto, where the best record in the A.L. drew about 2,000 more than the Rays last night. The funny thing is, good teams win no matter how many people are there to see them.
[Note: Again, it's hard to tell whether Kazmir is saying this is an issue with "him" or with the team. If it's the latter, then I apologize for singling him out.]
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Didn't Kaz say the Rays didn't have good fans on Jim Rome's tv show last season?
Get over it and stop pitching like crap, big guy.
Ugh.
Bad pitchers generally use the “mechanics”/“I need a few tweaks” excuses.
by R.J. Anderson on May 5, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I know.
I think he doesn’t know what he’s doing on the mound anymore. Whether it’s lack of gameplan or focus I don’t know.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on May 5, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
But I think it’s mental not physical. If he had shoulder damage, the FO wouldn’t be keeping him out there.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on May 5, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
His velocity has dropped
Almost 4 mph since 2004. This year he is topping out on average at 90 mph. With no fastball control and lack of velocity….just ugh.
www.draysbay.com
Would it be too soon to discuss
What a Kazmir or Kazmir/Niemann trade package might look like? Kaz still has name value.
What would you trade 2 Major League starting pitchers for?
You would cripple our rotation this year by trading both away.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on May 5, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Nah
Already pretty crippled. We can only count on 2 of 5 starters, really, at this point. These problems with Kaz have existed for a while, as has been documented, and Niemann is probably going to be traded anyway. Unless Friedman can dump Wheels or Percy’s salary somewhere to free up a pen spot. Might as well cash in before Kaz loses too much luster.
Ian Kinsler!
/has no chance of happening
by R.J. Anderson on May 5, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Gamel straight up
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
Lord knows we need a third basemen. Also, too many Ts.
Note: I know you’re probably thinking of making him DH only
In Play, Out(s)
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 5, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
1B/DH for when Los and PTB leave after next season
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
I don't think it's a bad idea to give Kaz a 15-day break when they decide to bring up Price.
Supposing he hasn’t fixed himself by then. Give him a little reprieve and see if he can’t work out whatever the hell’s going wrong, whether it’s physical or mental.
Throwing poorly of course has everything to do with the crowd.
If I recall correctly, he was a better pitcher when we packed the Trop with 6k -8k fans. He’s a whiny pitcher with no emotion good or bad in games he pitches the last 2 seasons atleast. He’s really reaching right now for an excuse to why he’s only throwing 89-90 fastballs with no movement. Mechanics being off, usually result in the ball not hitting locations up, down, in or out. But, consistently low velocity is the result of a current injury or “past” injury worth being cautious about. Whatever the case may be, he’s not getting it done, I say blame the fan who interrupted Longoria’s foul catch attempt.
Punch that fucker in the MOUTH
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
If it were me I would have thrown the ball right in longoria's fucking face
In Play, Out(s)
by Top Gun Numba 1 on May 5, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
WRONG
You would have taken off your rags and thrown them on the field
Do what you love to do and give it your very best. Whether it's business or baseball, or the theater, or any field. If you don't love what you're doing and you can't give it your best, get out of it. Life is too short. You'll be an old man before you know it.
-Al Lopez
by Sandy Kazmir on May 5, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

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