David Price Suffers First Major League Loss; Seven Innings, No Walks
Good processes should produce good results. It's been said on this site a million times, and we've heard several Rays throughout the season repeat the mantra. Last night we saw good processes from David Price, however the results were not there. With that being said if Price repeats last night's processes over and over again those results will certainly follow.
Last night David Price made his fifth start on the season for the Rays. He gave up a career high 10 hits and five earned runs; nonetheless, I came away feeling good about the start. The 10 hits were double his previous career high and the five earned runs matches the total of earned runs he gave up in his previous four starts, but again the processes were there.
We've talked about the similarities between Price and Scott Kazmir, but last night Price did something Kaz hasn't done in nearly a year; he pitched seven full innings in a major league baseball game. What is more impressive is he did it in just 99 pitches with 71 of them going for strikes. In his previous four starts he averaged 105 pitches in just 4.75 innings per start.
Now let's be real, 10 hits and five runs isn't good, but we can't expect Price to give up two hits and one run in every start. He did strikeout five batters and get this...ZERO WALKS. The effect that Coors Field has on breaking balls has been well documented. Both of the home runs he allowed were on sliders. Early on it was clear that Price did not a feel for his slider and he relied heavily on his fastball. He threw 37 pitches in the first two innings with 30 of them being fastballs. Unfortunately for Price, by the time he got the slider going, the damage was already done. After the second inning the Rays were down 4-0.
Over the next five innings Price would give up one earned run on four hits while striking out four. He used just 62 pitches over the final five innings with 26 of them sliders and wait for it....nine changeups. We've been waiting to see the third offering from Price and finally last night he decided to mix it in. The change up stayed around 84 mph which was around eight miles slower than his fastball. A true testament of how strong David Price's arm is; he threw a change up around 90 mph. He also threw eight of the nine change ups for strikes, which shows that he had good control of the pitch.
All in all, the result was not there, but the processes were much better. Price mixed his pitches well after the second inning and used his third pitch effectively. He did not walk a batter and was very efficient with his pitches by throwing strikes. Pat Burrell said it best after the game; the Rays are going to lose games, but they need to win series. With Ace 1b, Matt Garza on the mound today the Rays have good chance. However, the Rockies will counter with Matt Garza clone Ubaldo Jimenez. It should be a dandy.
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That ballpark is still a joke...
The ball absolutely flies out of there. Hit it well and get it in the air, and it has a good shot of getting out. Unfortunately, the Rays didnt have enough men on ase for their HR’s…
The Tulo homer reminded me of Yankee Stadium
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Ray should beneift from those types of parks.
We should be able to put up 8 runs at Corrs and Yankees stadium.
The Damon HR in the last series we played at yankees stadium was the biggest joke of a HR ever hit in baseball.
"What the hell is a Labradoddle?"
Tommy I don't think we can say this was a "good process"
His velocity was down in order to throw more strikes. However he did get hit a lot harder than usual. Perhaps this was a function of him throwing softer and in the zone?
There is just no way to know whether throwing softer and in the zone will or will not continue to cause opposing hitters to hit Price far harder.
Sure I don’t want 4 walks a game, but I also don’t want 10 hits and a couple home runs. There is just no way we can determine the correlation between them at this point.
That being said having better control is nice. If he can get the velocity + the control we will be in good shape.
That was my first thought as well...
But I’m a little more comfortable with this Price then I am with the Price who puts a guy on per inning and has to rely on a very low BABIP. We’d probably prefer a hybrid of both, not sure if that’s possible.
I also don’t think Coors helped too much.
Not to make excuses
But like you said I don’t think the ballpark helped. Not only for the home runs, but where the outfielders were playing because of the massive space. First, B.J. Upton had to cover for Burrell. Second, they were playing really deep, which allowed some hits to fall. Again, in the second inning he got rocked and that wasn’t good processes or results, but I’m intrigued to see what he does next time out in a different setting.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Price was making his debut in Coors field. It took him a while to trust his slider in the thin air.
By that time the damage was already done. Price is a smart guy, I bet if he had to do it all over he would’ve worked his slider in a lot earlier. The that said there was some good processes. He didn’t throw 70% fastballs, he used his slider on first pitches, and he threw more change ups than we’ve ever seen. Whether he was throwing softer or not on purpose we don’t know, but that’s why he was a work in progress. We’ll have to see what happens next time out.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
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The that said there was some good processes
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I like that fact that since he wasn't supremely confident in the slider
he was able to mix some changes in. That’s the biggest thing to me. Besides having a pitch that will kill righties, he needs that change for days that his slider is ineffective.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 18, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
he may have mixed them in
but I’m not a convert that his change up is a legitamate third pitch. Call me worried if he does decide to sacrifice stuff for control (because it sure wasn’t cmmand)
His fastball and slider are plus. He’s third offering just needs to be there.
It doesn’t need to be that good. At least not right now.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there any way to analyze
what Price was throwing in strikeout situations last night? Was he hitting more of the plate than normal? Just curious based on the lower K numbers, lower BB numbers and increased hits.
Not exactly what you're asking for, but
As you can see Price was mixing up his three pitches. He even threw some first pitch change ups which probably surprised some guys. He threw 33 sliders last night and got 82% strikes.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Having never really analyzed one of these graphs
is this a pretty decent distribution of both pitch type and location? Do we want to see him go otuside the zone more, or to the inside on righties?
Actually this is from the catchers prospective so he is working inside to righties.
and away from lefties. What this graph shows is when he threw what pitches. Obviously, he threw a lot of four seam fastballs and threw them at any time, but you can see he went to the slider and the change ups in different situations also.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 18, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm a bit curious to what you mean by the catchers perspective
As in does the graph adjust based upon where the catcher is positioned or is stagnant in the middle of the plate?
So basically if the catcher sets up an inch outside, and the pitcher hits the glove then on this graph the mark would be right in the middle. Yet in real life that would still be a ball?
Or if the graph is based on the middle of the plate than that pitch would have a mark just an inch outside on the graph even though it hit the glove?
Imagine yourself looking through Navi's eyes.
This is what you’d see. It’s the approx. strike zone from a “straight behind the plate” stance.
It’s like watching it on Gameday.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 18, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess thats what confuses me
When you say Navis eyes I am picturing a fluctuating box as Navi moves around from corner to corner. Navi never sets up smack down in the middle of the plate. But yeah “straight behind the plate” would make the most sense.
Although if they had a box that adjusted based upon where the catcher positioned himself it would be a good indication of command. Whereas this box doesn’t really help us too much w/ the command issue since we have no idea where the pitch was intended to go.
It's normalized though.
Therefore anything that is in the “box” should be called a strike.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 18, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You're reading too much into it
It’s a static picture with the north-south adjusting for batter height, in fact this might not even be normalized for that. East-West is static. That is the point at which it crossed the plate.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 18, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I think its from the catchers perspective and the box
is the normalized striek zone. It doesnt factor where the catcher sets up, just where it crosses the plate.
Do we want to see him go inside more on lefties then? A bit difficult with a sharp slider than runs away from lefties, but might cross some hitters up.

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