Matt Silverman On Attendance
"Based on all the information we had, we projected full houses. It's a huge miss, and it’s bewildering to us."
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A real shame
thousands flood a perenial 500 team like the Bucs, yet won’t watch a good baseball team playing in the best division
by Raymondo on Jun 23, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You really need to expand on that--i'm curious
by Raymondo on Jun 23, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As a fan i'm frightened we will lose this team
and someday watch this ownership group thrive where they appreciate baseball
by Raymondo on Jun 23, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Appreciate 10 seasons of shitty baseball
and 1 and a half seasons of good baseball? I think its going to take a little longer than this and the fact that Silverman said this is really surprising to me. It just seems like he is freakin out because of one midweek series. Doesnt change the fact how much attendance is up this year no matter the consistency or which games make the number look better. The fact is the fan base grew immensely in 1 season and I believe it will continue to grow.
by BJ the Bossman on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rays are averaging 500 more fans per game in 2009 compared to 2008...
That’s embarrassing….
by td32 on Jun 23, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
I dunno maybe Im just trying to look at the glass half full. I know merchandise has to be way up, and it has seemed like our attendance has been better, but numbers dont lie. Its just really frustrating as a fan and I cant imagine it from a management standpoint
by BJ the Bossman on Jun 23, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you getting that info from B-R?
our attendance guy here had us at 25k per game in his last update…which was a while ago, i suppose.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 23, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who said Tampa is a bandwagon city
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm usually one to put things in context, but I can't tonight.
Fuck everything. Move the team to San Juan. It’ll give me an excuse to get out of the country for a bit every summer.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand Charlotte beating this city at anything
So I defecate on that idea.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If they move to CLT, I'll eat my hat.
There is no way that happens.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Move the team to Tampa and I will go even more
I already have weekend season tickets, it’s just a pain to go to weekday games when I have to drive 30 min from South Tampa to USF in the morning. I just don’t feel like driving another 30 min the other way right after I get home to go to a game. That bridge just isn’t inviting while my car is breaking down.
by Albertrayon on Jun 23, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also, beer is almost $10 now which isn't cool.
There’s only so many I can chug in the parking lot before the game. And bring back $1 dog night. I want Staats to make fun of me while I try to eat 5 hot dogs in one half inning.
by Albertrayon on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you have $30 you can still try
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 23, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heater...
Joe started this by showing everyone that he doesn’t care about winning…..BJ batting lead-off, sticking with Fatty Navarro and struggling Sonnanstine……..The Yankees sat A Roid, and the Sox did Ortiz…..yet Joe is afraid to sit Navarro? Please………give me a real manager who tries to win games and not worry about egos and the attendance will go up.
by usfraysfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone on the Heater is a moron.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 23, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hate that some of these guys/girls make T-Bird look smart.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uneducated and bandwagon fans pay as much for tickets as everyone else
This is one instance where what people think on the Heater is actually relevant.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Navarro isn't the reason people aren't going to games.
And if he is just move the team already.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if he sat Navi
We would have sold out tonight? THE TIME IS NOW
by BJ the Bossman on Jun 23, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't look good
Honestly I think the answer is what we are all scared of…This area just cannot support baseball.
I wish it is just a stadium and location issue. The problem with that is we may never know if that is the case.
by matthan on Jun 23, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unless the team moves to Tampa, I suspect the area will lose them.
I got bashed for saying it last year. Everyone told me to wait til this year when attendance would pick up.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 23, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either move the team close or into Tampa
Or move it to Portland
by putupyourDUKES on Jun 24, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Portland
All we need is another team stuck in the Northwest
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by Gone Phishing on Jun 24, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Portland doesn't have the population or corporate base to support a major league baseball team
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the area can support baseball
the problem is there is to much baseball. There are so many minor league teams in the area with dollar beer nights and outdoor stadiums that are a lot of times closer to home. That’s tough. Also all of the little leaguers are playing all-stars right now so those famililes can’t make it to a Rays game.
by Her Rays on Jun 24, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That may be the case...
I’m sure there are valid reasons why fans aren’t showing up. The fact is that they aren’t showing up. The bottom line is what matters. The fans are falling way short and the team should move.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right.
If we love this team we need to try harder. I’ve only been to a couple of games this year myself so I can’t blame other people.
by Her Rays on Jun 24, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't your fault
The problem isn’t with the fans that actually go to the games. The Rays actually have a good solid core of fans. They just make up all of the attendance all of the time. As in we don’t have enough fans that go once or twice. We have plenty of fans that go 4 or 5 times a season (or more).
In other words our fan base has passion, but is just not broad enough.
This is why I think promotions won’t really help. All it will do is make a fan that goes 5+ times a year pick game X over game Y. It won’t bring out a fan that rarely or never goes to the game.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't build a fanbase overnight
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either Silverman is bluffing, or he's not nearly as smart as we give him credit for.
No less than a dozen people on this site in every thread on this topic says the same thing. No one goes to weekday games.
That’s the sole reason I go to weekday games. There’s no beer-swilling, peanut-downing fatass next to me making me listen as he bitches to his wife about everything under the sun.
Weekday games are going to draw 10-20K unless there’s a special circumstance (See: Cubs, Chicago). Especially not if you increase the ticket price 60% for the weekday game. If Silverman can’t see that, he’s either blind or a fool.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
this
it sucks that we can’t sell out weekday games, but this shouldn’t have surprised the FO in any way.
Selgy
by mittens on Jun 24, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the attendance on this actual game suprised him. I think what is surprising Stu and the crew is that this area just doesn’t support baseball. Ownership has done every possible thing to boost attendance. The fans aren’t delivering.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of that is from half of the area being unemployed?
Well maybe not half, but this is Florida as a whole:

Not good, notice how it is increasing over historic averages before the “recession” was even in full bloom. Florida is F’ed in the A, get out while you can. Move the Rays to Rochester, NY. Another 61,000 people were fired last month, the cost of living is crazy, and most people are so far in debt they can’t afford to go to a game, let alone 5. 417,000 people lost their job from May 08 to May 09.
Breakdown by regional counties
Hernando – 12.7% unemployment
Hillsborough – 10.7
Pasco – 11.7
Pinellas – 10.4
These are just the people that are “unemployed” with all the traditional caveats within their tracking. How many other people are nervous that they will be next?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have a bit of a different interpretation of Silverman's words
I don’t think he was shocked that the fans didn’t show up. I think he has known this was going to be the case for awhile. I think his quote is more about saying that if the fans can’t show up to this series than they never will. He is just pointing out that it is unacceptable.
Also many of us realize that this type of crowd will the norm (in fact a little high) for weekday games. However that is unacceptable. If we are only going to draw 15k for weekday games then the team should move.
If that is the max the fanbase can muster, even though at this point it is predictable, then this team should move out of the area.
I wish it would move to Tampa, but I don’t see why ownership would take that chance. They should move to an area that doesn’t have, at that time, almost a couple decades of no support.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without doing research I can't say for sure
Charlotte would be my prime candidate though.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well they'd build a stadium
I’m not sure how the NFL stadium would be for say a year of baseball.
Obviously there would be a lot of t’s to cross and a lot of i’s to dot. However if the research and evidence shows Tampa Bay cannot support the team then they should move them. If it means sitting in front of crowds in St Pete of 500 fans for a year or two after the announcement then so be it.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
You think in this economy where the banking industry has been killed, the capital of the banking industry is going to build a new stadium? You think they’ll take a chance on moving to a football stadium in a city with no history of baseball success without a state-built stadium? Not going to happen.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant moving to the NFL stadium for a year as the stadium was being constructed.
And while the banking industry took a hit the demographics are far better for baseball in a city such as Charlotte. You can’t build a fan base on the snowbird elderly.
Baseball needs middle class working adults. Tampa solely lacks that in comparison to other cities.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BofA got hit
but isn’t going under. I don’t seem this as a long term problem for Charlotte.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going forward I'd expect the banks to purchase less suites and what not
But the general workforce makes enough money and is plentiful enough to be a good foundation for a baseball franchise.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Panthers fans are notoriously fair-weather minded
So what would make that area different from this one?
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 24, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it wouldn't be
But this area isn’t getting it done. I’d rather take a chance on an area that probably will fail, but might work out than an area that will at that time have 2 decades of failure.
It isn’t that any other area is guaranteed to be better than ours. It is a matter of our area getting a shot and failing.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Won't happen in CLT
I live in Charlotte. There is talk of losing our basketball team (and people here care more about basketball than baseball). The city funded that stadium and it has been a train wreck, no way they build another. We are having problems building a new minor league stadium for that matter.
The point is, there is NO city that makes sense to move a baseball team now. That in combination with the massive state and municipal budget shortfalls, no city will be able to fund a new stadium.
by Mulva on Jun 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This
Lived in NC for 5 years, and have lots of friends there. No way the team moves to NC. They just care only about college hoops.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true
lived there myself for a year and that area would be way worse than this one. What they talked about was putting the stadium in the middle of nowhere equidistant to Charlotte, Winston-Salem, and Greensboro and I can promise you they would draw less than we do.
by BJ the Bossman on Jun 24, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlotte's in worse shape than Tampa
And it’s not like they have a massive population base either.
A couple years ago (before the recession), I saw a study (I think by Fortune Magazine) which basically said that the only two markets that could support a MLB franchise that don’t already have one are Northern New Jersey and San Fernando Valley, but I’m sure the Yankees and the Angels would kick and scream like hell if someone tried to move a team to either of those places.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd die to know how many of you actually went to that game.
I did. I work full time and I live in fucking Lutz. I feel great this morning.
Did you go? Or just bitch in the GDT? Do you live here? Do you see all the Rays gear around the area?
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 24, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't go last night
I’m going tonight. I average around 30 games per year.
Gear is nice, but the attendance is just not there. I’m just stating the obvious. It is unacceptable. My personal feeling is the Rays should stay here if they only average 1 fan a game…me. But if I take my bias out of it then I’m starting to see that this area just cannot support the team.
Also regarding gear…I wonder how much of that is because of the newness of the logo etc.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What difference does the logo make?
They’re supporting the team. That team store is packed every game.
I’d really like to know where to find FSN/Sun Sports’ ratings breakdown this year. I have a hunch that they’re pretty good.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When a new logo/name comes out there is always a huge uptick in sales. For example I bought a couple jerseys and a couple hats last year. This year not so much (since I already have it).
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But they aren't just going to do it because its THERE
They’re going to do it because they care about the team. It’s not like merch is cheap.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 24, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As i've said many times, they need to do more co-op promos during the week
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Their promotions department sucks. Although honestly I doubt how many people would go. It is so cheap alraedy. And if they did dollar hot dogs or beers then would they really make more money? Would more fans really go?
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I follow the Indians too, and they are very successful at filling the stadium for some afternoon games
by such co-op as weather day promos which expose kids to the game
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old are the Indians?
How many years of success have they had?
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stop looking at me as the 'enemy'
I’m simply suggesting an idea that’s worked
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dbacks and Rockies are outdrawing us
how many years of success have they had? Its stupid to imply the team doesn’t draw dick because they are new
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those two teams also do not play the Yankees and Red Sox. The # of their fans showing up to the stadium is significantly more than what we have.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The good news, bad news is
we got a team because we had a venue, that’s the good news
The bad news is it’s in DT St Pete
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
The location and the stadium itself is in the dumps.
Btw hasn’t Colorado and Arizona outdrawn us every year?
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't they have brand new parks?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The citizens built them. Ours won’t. That is a mark against the area.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The citizens of Pinellas won't.
Not the whole Bay area
by nolesblogger on Jun 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They shouldn't.
I’d rather the area lose the team than see the beleagured area strapped with a tax burden for a luxury item.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leave your politics at home W.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Precisely
He isn’t dumb. This is smoke and mirrors. Remember when the Bucs were going to move? The Giants? Etc? They want a new stadium which will boost revenue. They can then put a better product on the field consistantly. they won’t move unless it’s across the bay, which I doubt.
The economy is in the shitter right now, and I imagine attendance is down across the league. If they honestly didn’t expect this then I lose a lot of faith in the FO. I was calling it in every attendance thread before the year. What is unemployment in the Bay Area right now? What is the market doing? How are prices going for those on fixed incomes? Luxury goods take a hit during recessions, and that’s what baseball games are. The more important thing, I think, is TV ratings because they are a real barometer of how the area feels about the team.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree about prices
$20 for the cheapest ticket in a terrible economy isn’t the best way to go for any weeknight games, no matter who we are playing. The average family of 4 (pretty reasonable guess to how most of our fans our coming to games) would only be paying around $50 for a game after fees at ticket prices last year but ended up paying $85 last night, huge difference in these times, especially with recently rising gas prices. That’s why you saw so many douche-bag Phillies fans like the ones that sat all around me last night since they only have to buy three tickets a year in Tampa. The average Rays can’t afford to go to every game of a series like this with other big games on the horizon at the current prices.
by WASHANDLEERAYSFAN on Jun 24, 2009 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK Chicken Littles....
Where are they moving? Do some research and provide a market that you think would be better than the current one.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
If the Rays pay me I'd gladly do it
You can’t seriously ask someone on a blog to do work that is worth thousands of dollars?
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Asking posters to do something that would take hundreds of hours is by far the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this blog
You’ve taken the prize for dumbest comment. The chances that someone has the resources and the expertise to do such research on this blog is close to nil. In such a case that person exists what are the odds that he will do it for free just to appease Mr. rglass? 1,000,000 to 1?
We all know what you were trying to do with your comment. I just figured I’d call your lame attempt out. Have a good day.
You know what? Why don’t you do the research that shows that baseball can work in Tampa Bay going forward?
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want you to do that.
I wasn’t asking for that you moron. I know you couldn’t pull it off. I said “do some research.” Population, current stadium possibilities, etc. That takes 15 minutes of wiki. There is nowhere, though, so it won’t do you much good.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
...New York.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is, in terms of size, both of those markets are legitimately more appealing then this one.
Obviously Montreal doesn’t have a team, and NYMetro is big enough to support a 3rd.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Les Rays sounds gay dude
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking they'd just change their name to Écouteieres
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Listeners?
Ma Francais es tres mal apres tout c’est annees.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was "Surrenderers"
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ecouter is the verb to listen, but like I said it's been a while.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No I think your right.
I’ll just use Google instead.
The team should be called, ‘Les cessions’.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Les Fags des Montreal
Or you know The Habs
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you're not careful, we're going to get some Canadians fans on here to start trolling about how bat Lightning ownership is.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't want to start me off on that road.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We know how bad the ownership is
Oren Koules needs to go back to making shitty movies for sick fuck retards. Should have left Torts alone and brought in Scotty Bowman to GM.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My french is next to nonexistant though
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is nowhere
Someone already did the work.
http://www.bizjournals.com/edit_special/36.html
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No one in the front office has ever hinted about moving..
I don’t think that’s what it is about. No other available area is extremely attractive. The Rays are here no matter what.
The Rays need to figure out what motivates people to go to games. That’s the issue. A lot of us in this area did not grow up going to live baseball games and are content just staying home and watching on TV. I go to about twenty games a year and am not sure what would motivate me to attend more.
by tallyray on Jun 24, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
20 is more than enough
It is more about getting the vast majority of the area that goes to 0 games to go to 1 game.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A new stadium would go a long way toward that
My family is from Tigers country and their attendance was terrible until they built a new very cool stadium and fielded a team that made it to the world series. The Rays have that team they just need a great place to go watch them. People in Detroit don’t have any money either, but many of them are going to games because it’s a great place to watch baseball.
by Her Rays on Jun 24, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just curious, how is Detroit pricing?
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/det/ballpark/seating_pricing.jsp
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Detroit also draws from all over Michigan, do you think any of the hood rats from the ghost towns are going to a game?
Not trying to sound like a dick, just pointing to the fact that the stadium is accessible to many parts of the state, it doesn’t cater to 2 counties. Bring Orlando within a reasonable distance.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm just saying
maybe they should have the Robo-Los action figure and Aki Rattle Drum giveaways during ther week
Selgy
by mittens on Jun 24, 2009 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there is much a major relocation
More likely a slash in payroll
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That is certainly going to happen
Relocation would be on the long-term horizon. If attendance doesn’t pick up then you’ll see a slash in payroll next year and the year. They’ll ask for a stadium and if they don’t get it then they’ll have to slash payroll some more. Then they’ll start looking elsewhere. Relocation won’t become an option for about 5 years and I doubt they’d find a city for 8 or so years. Those guesses may even be a bit short.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you are right about waiting until next year
b/c I am confident attendance will pick up in late August/September if the Rays are in contention. Even if they aren’t you will have some snow bird migration.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
That will lead to even less attendance so the team will have legitimate reasons to move.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is what happens
If the fans don’t show up the team cannot sustain payroll. They cut payroll and the team gets worse and less fans show up. It is a viscious cycle.
The team got great on a low payroll and the fans did not show up.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m suggesting an idea that’s worked, that’s all
PS—I’m not a Tribe fan
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its the ticket prices...
at least in part. Weekday games should not be “prime” games unless we are playing the Red Sox, the Yankees, or the Cubs. We have never had good attendance on Tuesdays and jacking up the price is not going to help. That said, I was there last night and I did not think the crowd was that bad. There seemed to be more fans than a typical weekday game. It was just that the first inning took the wind out of our sails and the Rays didn’t do anything to get the fans back into it.
by Devil Ray on Jun 24, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This. Last night's attendance was the highest it has been for a Tuesday all season.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And?
It is still unacceptable. Going from god awful to just awful isn’t exactly something to hang out hats on.
What is the evidence that we will ever go from awful to acceptable (say average)?
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People don't decide to become everyday fans overnight. The bottom line is people in this town are lazy. You can't make 81 games seem like an event every night.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't need everyday fans, just more one or two days out of 81 type fans
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you only went to two games a year, would you pick a Tuesday against Philly, when prices are up?
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Attendance is down, through this point last year, at 20 out of 30 ballparks.
On average, MLB attendance is down 1500 fans per game. Now, the new NY parks throw a monkey wrench in the numbers, but still.
The Rays are up 4200 fans per game. That’s second best in the majors behind the KCR. If you were expecting full houses, sure, you should be disappointed right now. But you never should have expected full houses.
Rays attendance is up significantly. As they remain in the pennant race and divisional race, it should continue to go up.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/current_attendance.shtml
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by Sky Kalkman on Jun 24, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
KC's attendance is only up because Grienke was playing out of his mind earlier this year.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did. Grienke is single-handedly responsible for KC being relevant.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please give me attendance when he pitches v other SP
And include weekends or weekday games
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you want the crowd numbers for every game KC has played this season?
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here you are, Jackass.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/KCR/2009-schedule-scores.shtml
Notice the games Grienke and Meche started get 20s-30s. The ones they don’t, attendance is in the teens.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, so now it's Greinke AND Meche
dude, all i’m saying is your nitpicking stats, like so many here do
Royals attendance is up—who cares wgy?
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not nitpicking. Meche had two games he played with high attendance.
I’d rather include him than have you get high and mighty about two games.
How do you ask “Who cares why?” The whole point of this conversation is discovering why this team’s attendance isn’t skyrocketing (which it never will). I point to KC because they’re the only team that has improved more than Tampa Bay.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
makes sense
I used to only go to games Kaz pitched from ‘05-’07, no sense in watching Damon Hollins bat if we’re down 5 runs cause of Fossum etc…
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 24, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Make sure to take day of the week into account.
I could see some pitchers getting “lucky” or “unlucky” with which days they’ve pitched home games over half a season.
KC has a “new” stadium this year, too, with only moderate price increases.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jun 24, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone on the KC site broke this down..
KC attendance went up with giveaways/promotions, not due to Greinke.
by RATW on Jun 24, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A voice of reason...
Thanks Sky, but the chicken littles in these parts will still bitch and moan about what we all knew was coming.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you do some research?
Before any of these numbers have any real meaning you need to at least post the proportion of Yankee/RS home games so far this year compared to last year? What about days of the week?
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
I have work to do, and I am not the one crying. I think we’ll see a nice increase compared to other teams by the end of the year.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow talk about being a hypocrite
Whatever floats your boat though
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I have put a up 100 fanposts with research. I don’t have time, and idiots just ignore anything rational. So I generally don’t do it anymore.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you've done previous work
I’m just saying you can’t expect someone else to do research on an issue when you aren’t going to do it yourself.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have done it.
I KNOW why it won’t work. I know why they won’t move. Me telling you things that I’ve read does little good. Doing a little (which is what I was looking for) might change your mind. I may try to do something later, but I’m already wasting enough time considering I have a huge deadlkine to meet Friday.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go work
I never said they will move. I just said that baseball isn’t and hasn’t worked in this area so they should try something new. If they can’t then we will just go back to an irrelevant franchise drawing the smallest crowds in the league competiting for the #1 pick.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Articles of Confederation were a poorly planned exercise in democracy and didn't pan out
Perhaps a move across the bay is in order.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let;s not worry about attendance at all!!
There is now way this team will ever have the balls to move! I dare them to do it. Every other market sucks too.
First, predicting a baseball market is difficult. Everyone thought the area would do better than it has. Second, do you really think the team is saying this stuff to try to drum up more attendance? Personally, I don’t. So what if they move and fail in a new marker, either way we’ve lost them. How often does the FO say things and not follow through with them?? Sternberg has said the Trop is not sustainable for his business. So either the team ends up with a new stadium or we lost them.
You want some markers:
Vancouver, Indy, San Antonio, Las Vegas, Charlotte-Raleigh-Durham, NY, Virginia, OKC, Columbus.
all you will do is make blab some anecdotal evidence about how those markets all suck so I don’t really see the point in this exercise.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, I need to edit my posts better
sorry
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Vegas or TX
The rest there is no way in hell. Vancouver is in Canada. That worked well.
Indy I would highly doubt. the MW is shot economically, and it’s a basketball state.
CLT and the triangle are 4 hours apart. Neither could support a pro team.
Where in Virginia?
OKC? HA
Columbus? No way.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Austin might work as well as San Antonio
Toronto has worked out ok, Montreal was a joke. I think Vancouver would be closer to Toronto than Montreal.
Vegas depends on the housing market bouncing back. They’ve been crushed by sub-primes.
I’ll have to do more research on Virginia, but U believe eastern virginia could support a team. Lots of people close together.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the tidewater area?
I seriously doubt it. That’s just going from my knowledge of Coastal Virginia as a locale more than anything. It’s fairly poor and not anymore centrally located than Tampa/St. Pete.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto area is as big as Chicago
Of course Toronto worked out. But unless they want to venture into Mexico, there isn’t an available market that’s even close to being that big.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto is about the size of Chicago
Of course Toronto worked out. But unless they want to venture into Mexico, there isn’t an available market that’s even close to being that big.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think
that they would bring new teams to NY or Ohio to compete with teams with established fanbases?
Selgy
by mittens on Jun 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think NYC
Could support a third team. Maybe not Columbus.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They could.
They wouldn’t allow it, though, and I doubt the team would take root at all.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
if we already have good relative #s it surely will spike during a wildcard chase.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As it did last year
It won’t increase as much as last year though due to the newness of it all.
When comparing 2009 to 2008 so far you have to remember you are comparing two totally different expectations of the teams.
2nd half of 2008 v 2nd half of 2009 is where the good comparison is.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope it picks up just for the fact that that place rocks out when it is packed
The energy and the noise was something I haven’t heard in another stadium.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad the infrastructure can't hold that many people in the parking lots without catastrophe
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go to Fergs fight for beers there and then go home in an hour, much easier
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't drink. I'm not a degenerate.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or go to s clubs?
What are you? Baptist?
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Organized religion is a fraud.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unorganized religion is the shit?
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scientology is apparently one big Fight Club.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except you have to pay money and be a pussy
BTW remember the first 2 rules jackass
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scientologist?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I just hate people in general, and most vices.
I gamble like a motherfucker though. If I could live 5 minutes from Belmont Park, I’d be happy.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So go get some wings and a pitcher
It beats losing your mind in traffic. And you’re a lawyer so don’t give me that doesn’t drink bullshit
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An honest lawyer is about as easy to find as a unicorn.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got hit by a drunk driver a few years back. I don't touch the stuff.
I just park down at Baywalk and walk back. But my father is a fatass. I took him to Ring Night, and got stuck in a traffic jam to the game. Took 50 minutes to get from the 275 offramp to the parking lot.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consider my statement retracted
Traffic sucks everywhere, especially when a bunch of homersexuals get the chance to be handed a ring.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/troll's remorse'd
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record, I was mostly kidding about the degenerate part.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only squares would find the term degenerate
offensive.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Says the tranny-lover.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like Buckwheat said
Ookin po nubbin in all da dong daces.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, a mouth's a mouth.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the best SNL bits he ever did.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you got it
That skit makes me tear up from laughing so hard.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buckwheat....has been shot.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/82/82obuckwheat.phtml
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And rush out by the 3rd inning so they can put it on EBay.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked how in the first inning of Dioner Navarro bobblehead night you could
find one on ebay for $25 with like 7 bids on it already, that is how you know that a fanbase is tarded.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they took the stock photo and put it up for bid, assuming they'd get one once they went to the game.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I so wish he would have gotten the Tyner treatment. That would have been awesome as fuck.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't pay a wooden nickel for a Navarro bobblehead
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait for the Navarro action figure with 'DP Bat Swing' technology and a neck that doesn't move up or down
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a neck?
You throw the letters DP promotion night and we might actually see a sell out
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This idea is fantastic, if only it was sponsored by one of the fine Bay Area adult-entertainment establishments.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kid friendly lapdances
Only the girl may touch, you touch the girl, you’re on your ass
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay if it bobbled left-to-right as if he's searching for a passed ball.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say this
But didnt want to go off topic. I have season tickets to the Rays and Bucs. I went to 7 Bucs games last year (driving from Orlando every Sunday) and have gone to at least that many for the last 5-7 years. I have been going to 25+ Rays games for the last 5 years and I will tell you that leaving a Rays game is 100000000000000 times easier than leaving a Bucs game.
by BJ the Bossman on Jun 24, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Less drunken buffoons flexing nuts too
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mostly because TPD Traffic cops aren't idiots.
In fact, that’s pretty much all they’re good for.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the question is they are only up
500/gm from last season’s final statistics
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Final statistics are a different ballgame.
There is a huge difference between games in april/may/june and august/september.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you have to be aware that they may not get the sell outs they did in AUG/SEP this year
if they continue to fall behind
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FALL BEHIND?!?!?!?!?
HOW DENSE ARE YOU PEOPLE!?!?! WE ARE STILL IN TEH THICK OF THE PLAYOFF RACE!!!!!!!!!!! WE ARE 2 GAMES BACK OF THE WILD CARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, i'm hoping we win every game
but let’s be honest, the TB fans got caught up in a wave of baseball excitement never before seen
Here’s hoping that sistains itself again
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4th place bro it's over
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sky I figured I'd dig a bit deeper into your numbers as I think they are a bit misleading
I wanted to eliminate some variables:
1. Disney games
2. Yankee/RedSox/Cubs games
Our core average after 36
2009-22,703
2008-18,799
Our core average after the first 36 games at the Trop (taking out Disney)
2009-22,703
2008-20,609
Our average after taking out Prime games (28 total games for 2008, 27 for 2009)
2009-20,672
2008-19,050
Both seasons have most of their home games on the weekend so far so I didn’t bother to break ti down by day
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
18 weekday home games so far, 15 weekend home games
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That takes out 3 from both columns
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For both years?
I just saw the sample as being small so I didn’t average it. I deleted my spreadsheet so if you have it open then it’ll be nice to compare Monday-Thursday non-prime games and non-disney games between the years.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm only going by this year's, because I have a schedule next to my laptop.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking at last year
Taking out the disney games also makes the sample pretty small to compare between the two years.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did we average in AUG and Sep last year?
Do you think we’ll exceed that average this Aug/Sep?
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knows.
I doubt we’ll be far off because I bet there were a lot of preorders for those games.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion is no
Even if we take the lead in the ALE we won’t match it.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last year it was all walk-ups.
I know for a fact there were more advance tickets sold.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure there were
I just don’t think you’ll have as many as the “new” fans that showed up to late season games last year show up to late season games this year. Mainly because they just did it last year and the economy.
I’m sure we will see a good uptick in attendance if we are in contention…just not as much as last year.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember we have nine games left v TOR, that attendance magnet they are
along with SEA and 6 more with BAL
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The economy is not a long term indictment of the area
They would face that obstacle in almost any city.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And this is why we might actually end this year with less attendance than last
Let’s hope not
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wants you to rub his G-Spot.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At your rate, you'll have to pay that up by the end of July.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm asking for an increase of more than 50K
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I missed that you were referring to the attendance.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our only three homestands in Sept were Yankees/Red Sox/Twins
So September is skewed.
In August, we topped 20K twice for weekday games. Given there’s only 5 weekday games in August this year, 2 against the Red Sox, it won’t provide a good comparison. But I’ll tell you what—if in the 2 games against Seattle and 4 against the O’s in September, the team can’t top 20K twice, and the team is in the hunt, then I’ll join in and say the team should move. Deal?
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
Although I don’t think 20k is good enough for a weekday game. That number needs to be closer to 25k. Yes it is unreasonable this year, but next year and in the long run it needs to be 25k
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
20K usually ranks near the bottom of MLB attendance numbers
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tuesday June 23rd
RESULT ATT.
at LA Angels 4, Colorado 3 42,233
Minnesota 7, at Milwaukee 3 42,008
Boston 11, at Washington 3 41,517
at Atlanta 4, NY Yankees 0 40,828
St. Louis 3, at NY Mets 0 38,903
at Detroit 5, Chicago Cubs 4 38,046
San Francisco 4, at Oakland 1 32,854
at Toronto 7, Cincinnati 5 30,351
Kansas City 2, at Houston 1 30,049
San Diego 9, at Seattle 7 23,537
LA Dodgers 5, at Chicago Sox 2 22,251
at Arizona 8, Texas 2 21,379
Philadelphia 10, at Tampa Bay 1 19,608
Cleveland 5, at Pittsburgh 4 19,109
at Florida 7, Baltimore 6 10,222
Mean 30,193
Median 30,351
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one day during interleague play.
I honestly don’t know the answer, but if the team averages 20k on weekdays and 35k on weekends after this year I think they’d be fine with that.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Yanks and Red Sox both on the road.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at what the Nats drew last night because of who was in town.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was my point.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Natinals aren't going to draw 40K on a "usual" Tuesday
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The whole series is sold out.
I turned down going to the game tonight because it would be infuriating.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's do this, let's compare attendance numbers on April 15 when it snows in all northern
home games and the Rays are playing the Yankees at the Trop
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tax day doesn't count.
No state income tax returns in FL.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know they sell stuff that can help you feel better

Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, attendance that day was great compared to other teams.
Even if the game did start at 4 in the afternoon on a Wedensday
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have more excuses than a fat guy on a diet
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have more negativity than well...
nothing.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You completely misread negativity for facing facts
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then just go away.
If it pains you so much to be a fan then quit. It’s supposed to be an escape, not another way to bitch and moan about whatever inferiority you feel.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter what any of us think
it’s all up to Stu
When he says enough is enough—that’s it
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers can't draw more than 22K in Chicago? Move the team.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So much is season ticket sales.
Those need to increase to get the weekday games higher.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tuesday June 16th (Cubs data is missing so in reality it would be even higher)
RESULT ATT.
Chicago Sox at Chicago Cubs N/A
Toronto 8, at Philadelphia 3 44,958
at NY Yankees 5, Washington 3 44,873
at St. Louis 11, Detroit 2 44,021
at LA Dodgers 5, Oakland 4 41,169
at Boston 8, Florida 2 38,149
LA Angels 8, at San Francisco 1 34,716
Tampa Bay 12, at Colorado 4 28,582
at Kansas City 5, Arizona 0 26,974
at Minnesota 8, Pittsburgh 2 25,351
Milwaukee 7, at Cleveland 5 22,986
at Texas 6, Houston 1 21,676
NY Mets 6, at Baltimore 4 20,626
at Cincinnati 7, Atlanta 2 19,127
Seattle 5, at San Diego 0 17,040
Mean 30732
Median 27778
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More Tuesdays
Tuesday June 9th
RESULT ATT.
at Boston 7, NY Yankees 0 37,883
at NY Mets 6, Philadelphia 5 37,152
at LA Dodgers 6, San Diego 4 35,313
Colorado 3, at Milwaukee 2 32,464
Chicago Cubs 7, at Houston 1 29,669
Detroit 7, at Chicago Sox 6 25,676
San Francisco 9, at Arizona 4 22,428
at Atlanta 4, Pittsburgh 3 20,124
Toronto 9, at Texas 0 17,535
at Baltimore 3, Seattle 1 17,358
Cincinnati 3, at Washington 2 16,274
LA Angels 4, at Tampa Bay 3 16,087
at Cleveland 8, Kansas City 4 15,038
at Florida 4, St. Louis 3 13,103
Minnesota 10, at Oakland 5 10,127
Mean 23,082
Median 20,124
Tuesday June 2nd
RESULT ATT.
at NY Yankees 12, Texas 3 43,948
at St. Louis 5, Cincinnati 2 35,507
at LA Dodgers 6, Arizona 5 32,853
at Atlanta 6, Chicago Cubs 5 30,262
at Toronto 6, LA Angels 4 26,809
at Minnesota 4, Cleveland 3 26,530
Boston 5, at Detroit 1 25,914
at Houston 3, Colorado 2 24,041
Oakland 5, at Chicago Sox 0 20,519
at Seattle 8, Baltimore 2 17,978
Philadelphia 10, at San Diego 5 17,625
at Washington 10, San Francisco 6 17,331
at Tampa Bay 6, Kansas City 2 13,604
at Florida 10, Milwaukee 3 10,831
at Pittsburgh 3, NY Mets 1 10,459
Mean 23,614
Median 24,041
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 week (all tuesdays) averages
mean 26,840
median 25,676
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the beginning of the year I thought if we could get anywhere
near an end of year average around 27K we would be doing fine. It appears that is still within reach even with all the excuses, copouts, and joblessness.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The weekday non-interleague is closer to 20k
Still closer to 25k than 20k though…
And we drew 13k one of the games…. (june 3rd)
10,000 less than average…..
the other we drew 16k with the average as 23k
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a weekday game? Untrue.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Take a look at last night, i have not checked
PIT and FLA were home too
by Raymondo on Jun 24, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pit v Cle - 19,109 -- Fla v. Bal - 10,222
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus I think its reasonable to compare the average from last season to the average so far this season
Expectations should be similar right now to what they were towards the end of last season so I don’t see why comparing the attendance marks is silly. I think comparing the beginning of last season to the beginning of this season is kind of misleading.
I can only imagine how band attendance will be if they team falls out of contention.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because if you have a choice of a June game against the Royals or a September game against the Twins with a playoff berth on the line, you have a 50-50 split?
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
But we were expecting a huge uptick in early season games and I just don’t think we’ve got it. IF we remain in contention you are correct attendance will increase, but if we fall out it will get worse.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was silly to expect it. There's a multitude of factors, but the biggest of which...fans are broke and lazy.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But isn’t that a bad mark on the area?
I think we are actually agreeing. A few of us aren’t getting into the “why” the fans aren’t showing up whereas you are.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, you can complain, give up, and say the team should move...or you can explore the factors as to why.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think location is more of a factor than laziness or money. But the question comes back to what can the team do? They can’t make people motivated or make the games any cheaper…
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Win
That’s it. The only LT factor on attendance is winning.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is usually a chicken/egg type thing though
How can you win with no attendance and therefore no payroll?
In this case we got lucky and got the winning before the attendance. But it is unreasonable and impossible to expect them to sustain it with this attendance.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No it isn't.
The attendance will come. Patience is key. Holding your own in this economy is huge. Fortunately we can compete at this payrole at least one more year.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point is at the start of last year the thought was that the Rays were going to stink
So its not comparing apples to apples. I agree end of last to beginning of this isn’t exactly great either.
I don’t think we can reasonably compare 2009 to 2008 expectations ( for home games) until around the LA Angels series…
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is the variable that will make or break the season attendance- contention
I think they Rays have a good enough team to at least be in contention. Ownership does too.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 24, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
As long as the local media doesn’t resort to sky is falling tendencies.
by rglass44 on Jun 24, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THE RAYS HAVE BEEN SOLD
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 24, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish that was the case
Contention won’t boost our 2nd half average to 34k a game…which is what we’d need to hit the pre-season goal
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Being league average?
I agree. The mean is definitely a joke (big markets skew the data obviously). The median is a good long term goal for the franchise. I didn’t expect we’d get there this year, but I did expect a bit closer than what we are.
by matthan on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't imagine they throw a huge wrench in it
Considering new Yankees Stadium holds fewer people than the old one. Not sure about Citi Field.
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by Brickhaus on Jun 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT ATTENDANCE
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would you prefer we talk about the debacle last night?
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
it’s website wednesday.
let’s talk about website wednesday.
Selgy
by mittens on Jun 24, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WW (that's what I call Website Wednesday) rules.
Discuss…
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WW is a good abbreviation for Website Wednesday.
When I type Website Wednesday my fingers often get tired because Website Wednesday is so long. Also Wednesday is the hardest day of the week to spell, so that doesn’t help at all when I am trying to type Website Wednesday.
Selgy
by mittens on Jun 24, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, you mean actual baseball? No, lets ignore that.
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You call that baseball?
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You call that a surprise?
I mean we did see it happen last year.
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just saying. My 4 year-old niece runs around kicking a ball for a little while. I don't call it soccer.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, in that case it would be just as entertaining
(Note: this is an indictment of the boringness of soccer, not some creepy pedo statement)
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you have a seat?
/ChrisHansen’d
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jun 24, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BUT... BUT... MY DISCLAIMER!!!!
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah because you're the chief architect behind building actual baseball analysis on this site.
I think you go more OT than any other poster. Not a criticism, but if you don’t want to read about it just don’t open the thread.
by RaysTheRoof on Jun 24, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Harf harf "if you don't like it don't read it"
Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 24, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Karma, Baby. Karma
You got just what you asked for Matt Silverman. Messing with the Clearwater Threshers’ bobblehead promotions was one of the Rays dumbest moves of 2009. Keep opening your mouth and inserting your foot, you moron.
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