Do The Hustle
B.J. Upton has not been able to shake the general population's perception that he is lazy. After being thrown out last night trying to stretch a double into a triple largely due to a delayed shift into second gear, Carl Crawford is finding himself demonized in the same manner. Meanwhile, Ben Zobrist had the play of the game running hard on a Pat Burrell ground ball up the middle to beat a force out in the bottom of the 8th with 2 outs. The Rays went on to score 5 insurance runs.
Upton and Crawford are easily the fastest two players currently on the Rays roster. Upton was thrown out at the plate aggressively running home on a shallow fly out to left, a play where most likely no one else even attempt to run on. Crawford tried to stretch a double into a triple on a play few would attempt to move past second on. Both Crawford and Upton were guilty of not running hard immediately out of the box on extra base hits. This practice is far more the norm than the exception in Major League Baseball.
How can we measure hustle? The easiest place to measure hustle is running out infield ground balls to first base. A common metric looked at is IFH/GB. What if we were to isolate the ground balls that did not leave the infield and also factor in reaching safely on errors? Surely, hustling down the line increases the chance of an errent hurried throw or a bobble in transfer.
Let's take a look at each player's Reaches on Error which include beating out a fielder's choice (available on baseball-reference), as well as each player's Infield Hits. We then want to compare that to the player's number of ground balls that do not leave the infield.
In order to isolate infield ground balls we need to first take the # of ground ball hits and subtract the Infield Hits, This produces ground ball outfield hits. If we then subtract that figure from the # of ground balls, we have our infield ground ball totals. We will then add the number of bunt attempts to that figure. Now we can add our IFH to our ROE and divide it by the sum of the infield ground balls and bunts.
(ROE + IFH)/(IFGB+Bunts)
IFGB= GB-OFGB
OFGB= GBH-IFH
We get the table below:
| ROE | IFH | GBH | OFGB | GB+Bt | IFGB | Safe % | |
| Bartlett | 3 | 13 | 19 | 6 | 60 | 54 | 29.6% |
| BJ | 4 | 16 | 22 | 6 | 94 | 88 | 22.7% |
| Zo | 4 | 8 | 17 | 9 | 66 | 57 | 21.1% |
| Aki | 2 | 7 | 13 | 6 | 54 | 48 | 18.8% |
| CC | 2 | 17 | 37 | 20 | 124 | 104 | 18.3% |
| Pena | 2 | 5 | 4 | -1 | 43 | 44 | 15.9% |
| Aybar | 2 | 4 | 12 | 8 | 46 | 38 | 15.8% |
| Kapler | 1 | 1 | 5 | 4 | 27 | 23 | 8.7% |
| Navi | 2 | 4 | 11 | 7 | 80 | 73 | 8.2% |
| Longo | 1 | 4 | 13 | 9 | 70 | 61 | 8.2% |
| Gross | 0 | 2 | 12 | 10 | 36 | 26 | 7.7% |
While this is an imperfect science, it is clear the right handed Bartlett is a Grade A Hustla. BJ and CC are going to burdened by greater expectations, but they do have high success rates. For Ben Zobrist to be third on this list is a pretty good indication he hustles as much as anyone. You would think CC would have a higher % based on a left handers head start. If all players hustled equally you would expect the rankings to be in the order of player speed. While there is a trend, that does not equate to the exact order.
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i love this chart.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 25, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to start by briefly summarizing my thoughts about yet another entire thread dedicated to this topic:

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 25, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it wise to actually demonstrate something
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't you just measure times to 1st?
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by Imperialism32 on Jun 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It really sticks out that Crawford has twice as many OFGB as the next person on the list
Just luck on BABIP, I guess, unless he is somehow able to hit harder ground balls
(or aim better)
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jun 25, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
On a % basis, no one touches Gross
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would be nice to have hitfx GB velocities
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every day I'm hustlin.
Hustlin hustlin hustle hustlin hustlin.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 25, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's my song. Play the song again for no reason.
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by Tyler on Jun 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why so many disappearing comments?
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I didn't feel like getting into the timed-to-first debate again.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats wrong with that?
I never saw what you came up with. How long did you calculate this for?
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, you don't want to know about this. It was a bad idea.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 25, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just the way the comment engine works.
The root comment by being deleted automatically removes all it’s subcomments. It’s a SQL thing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 25, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work FreeZo
I never realized how lazy Gabe Gross is, cut his ass.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually very curious what avg ground ball velocity is for these guys
Upton has 6% of GB reach the OF, while Gross has 28%
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, Navi 9% ground balls reach the outfield, safe 8.2% of the time
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More surface area = better traction?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gifted
I agree with the idea of “hustle” yet it seems to me that Upton is once again a victim. I agree that if CC would’ve given just a bit more effort out of the box, he would’ve had a triple easily. Yet BJ’s bloop single was exactly that, a bloop single that by him hustling, he turned into a double. I realize that he didn’t run hard out of the box—I feel that most people wouldn’t. Yet he is athletically gifted enough to be able to turn on the “jets” and turn that hit into a double. As for the play at the plate—it was said earlier that most players wouldn’t even try to tag up on that ball—yet I feel you have to credit the Phillies catcher for making a great defensive block of the plate. Had he not blocked the plate, BJ would’ve been safe and we would be commenting on how no one else in baseball could’ve tagged on that shallow of a flyball.
Just some food for thought…
by timmyj on Jun 25, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice take
FreeZo, any chance you want to do this for past years to get a larger sample size? I was working on putting it together, but I figure you already have the sources as well as the template.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe sometime. No time now. Its a little time cosuming to back out the data.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I wasn't knocking BJ for running home
He and CC should have been both been running harder down the line, but 95% of players would have done the same. I do not single these tow out in the least, thats the public perception. Instead I single out the Bartletts and Zobrists who are as situationally aware and team oriented as anyone. They are the exception.
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think Upton and CC stick out on our team because they are the fastest guys and because they do take the chance on an extra base. This causes the Upton and CC times to stick out in our mind.
Certainly many other players take plays off. Running hard out of the box is a lost art.
by matthan on Jun 25, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Assessment
I understand—I think your observations concerning Bartlett and Zobrist are great. I also agree that we hold BJ and CC to very high expectations because of their skills, and at times, they stick out in our minds because of this…but then again, in the words of the great Mr. October…People don’t boo nobodys
by timmyj on Jun 25, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worth mentioning that Zo leads the Rays in triples
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 2:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
White people be drivin they cars like this /drives car sitting up straight, hands at 10 and 2
Brothers be drivin THEY car like this /gets arrested for no reason, possibly shot
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 25, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AHAHAHAHAAH it's true, it's so true
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now THAT is how you make a subtle Simpsons reference
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I left out the part where he says that white people are so lame.
Partial credit.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 25, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like the grandfather of this thread
Although Zo, I don’t think this is the best way to measure this. Faster players are going to cause more errors regardless of whether they are hustling or not. CC running at 50% is still faster than Navi and would cause more problems on the base paths.
In hindsight I should have just mentioned Crawford instead of BJ and Zobrist. People seem to bring up race too often and folks here get real defensive when someone says something about BJ especially if it has to do with hustle (whether he gave 100% is irrelevant).
What people seem to forget is that hustle needs to be measured independent of speed and athleticism. The fact that CC is probably the only guy to even go for three and Upton is one of only few that would go for 2 is irrelevant in this discussion.
This should not and can not be a results based analysis. The outs and extra bases caused by player X not hustling compared to player Y are going to be different given the players speed, baserunning ability, and hitting ability in general.
And I would mention that BJs run home was great. He hustled and gave 100%. The problem is that is what we expect. In terms of hustle people point out when you give less than 100% and not when you give 100% since that is what you are supposed to do anyways.
I don’t think there is truly a way to quantify hustle. Timing is the only way but just isn’t reliable. Home to 1st is the only one you could possibly use.
by matthan on Jun 25, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AIM YOUR RUNNING BETTER
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 25, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's also going into 2nd hard to breakup DPs (Bartlett rules at this) and beating out DP at 1B
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is keeping track
JP Peterson referred to Crawford coming out of the box slowly on the play he was thrown out at third last night as him having “BJ-itis”
by usfraysfan on Jun 25, 2009 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the same man who flinches whenever around Delmon Young
Also locks his doors when driving down Nebraska in Tampa
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 25, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when J.P. Peterson wanted to trade B.J. Upton for Dontrelle WIllis and I said he was crazy?
Yeah.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Peterson becomes more and more like Deumig
He continues to make outlandish moronic remarks and has become incredibly negative about everything
And last time I saw him he had put on a ton of weight and had a much larger forehead than when he was on tv…eventually the two will be one in the same.
by usfraysfan on Jun 25, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing compares to the Sports Babe
She said we should trade BJ Upton for Ken Griffey Jr straight up.
The worst part was this was last season.
When I heard her say that I switched the station and told myself I would never ever listen to her again. I am proud to say I kept that promise
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by Sveet on Jun 25, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Sports Chicks suck so hard
Pretty much all of Tampa sports talk sucks. Since I have been back from Tallahassee I have yet to find one good local show, but in Tally they only had one station and the one local show was great.
by nolesblogger on Jun 25, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the Sport Chicks
the Sports Babe. She used to have a show with Brantley. I don’t know if she does anymore.
The Sport Chicks suck so bad I never listened to them
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by Sveet on Jun 25, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The phrase "Sports Chick sucks so bad" sounds appealing for some reason.
by Suttree on Jun 25, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be why I went with it
well hard anyway
by nolesblogger on Jun 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't a righty have an advantage in this?
I’d imagine most infield hits come from hitting to the hole between SS/3rd and a right handed batter would be much more likely to hit to that area.
by tallyray on Jun 25, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lefties have a shorter line to first, also can pull 1B off the bag.
It would be interesting to see what handed hitters get the most IF hits, I’ll go lefty
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see tallyrays point though
I am going to go righty
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by Sveet on Jun 25, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remember, Ichiro has the twice as many as #2
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but every hit is basically a drag bunt
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 25, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lefty skill
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by Lefty you mean Japanese
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jun 25, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lefty Japanese
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
over a 5 yr stretch or so
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A quick glance at the top 10 non switch hitters
5 lefties, 5 righties
Lefties add up to 79 INFH
Righties add up to 68 INFH
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 25, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that top ten of all players or top ten in infield hits?
Ichiro, and players like him, use being lefty as an advantage and have a hitting style that generates infield hits. I would think the majority, who take normal full swings, would favor righties. I’d be interested in seeing that data.
by tallyray on Jun 25, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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