Andy Sonnanstine, Rays Take Series From Phillies; Rotation Spot Saved?
In possibly the most important start of his career, personally, Andy Sonnanstine's teammates had his back. With a Scott Kazmir decision looming in the next few days, Sonny's day did not exactly start the way he planned. After retiring the first batter of the game, Sonnanstine gave up four runs on five hits and trailed 4-0 after one half frame.
With two outs in the bottom of the first inning, Pat Burrell singled and scored on a Carlos Pena double. After Pena's double, Ben Zobrist hit a line drive home run just over the short wall in left field to bring the Rays within one run. Zobrist showed shown signs of busting his slump going 2-4 with a home run, two runs scored and two RBI. He also walked once. In better news, the home run came off of a change up.
Filling in for the injured Evan Longoria, Willy Aybar tied the game up in the second inning with a solo home run, his sixth of the season. Aybar continues to live up to the best bench player in the game title going 3-4 with a home run, walk and three RBI. Five Rays players registered multi hit games including Jason Bartlett, who extended his hit streak to 19 games; a new Rays record. In fact, every Rays player had a hit, except B.J. Upton, who managed to reach base twice via the walk. Upton also made a huge throw doubling up Pedro Feliz off of first base on a fly ball negating a possible run with the Rays leading 6-4.
Gabe Kapler, hitting .435/.481/1.174 in the month of June coming into the game, went 1-1 with a walk and a double off lefty Antonio Bastardo. He was replaced by Gabe Gross, who hit his fourth extra base hit off of left handed pitching this year in 14 at-bats. All in all, the Rays would score 10 unanswered runs off the Phillies and help push Sonnanstine to a victory.
After the shakey first inning, Andy Sonnanstine really rebounded nicely and had a nice start. From innings 2-6ish, Sonny dominated the Phillies lineup. He allowed just one hit, one walk, one HBP while striking six over the next 4.1 innings. Sonny used 27 of his 97 pitches in the first and was lifted in favor of Grant Balfour after 5.1 innings of work. Balfour would throw 1.2 innings of shutout baseball, striking out two and walking none, but back to Sonnanstine. His seven K's on the night matched a season high. Sonny came into the game averaging around 15% sliders per game, but threw nearly 22% sliders tonight. He cut (no pun intended) his cutter usage down from 46.1% to around 37.1% tonight.
The rebound after the tough inning was nice, but was it enough to keep his job? The strikeouts are a very good sign, and this was the time since 5/6/09 that he didn't allow a home run. However, Jeff Niemann has shown signs of improvement this month. He holds a 3.74 ERA/3.15 FIP in the month of June. There were also comments from Sonnanstine expressing his willingness to pitch in any role including out of the bullpen. "I'm more than willing to do whatever's necessary to help this ballclub win. ... cross that bridge when we get to it," said Sonny via Marc Lancaster's twitter.
With both Kazmir and Chad Bradford set to return this weekend against the Marlins, that bridge is getting closer and closer.
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I say send Sonny out again.
Either Price to AAA or Niemann to the pen is fine w/ me.
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Nice rebound, but it still wasn't a good start
It’s gonna be a tough decision for the FO
Kap-rilla???
His tRA was 3.58 for this start.
So yeah, it was pretty decent.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
FG has him at 5/5/5 GB/FB/LD
tRA accounts for that.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This seems like a fun game to play.
How about you read the GDT, where I said I was mixed on the start multiple times.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I just got home from the game....
I like the fact his strikeout numbers were up, and he wasnt walking guys….but he was getting hit pretty hard most of the night. There were a lot of line drives tracked down by outfielders, and some well struck grounders…
I didn't disagree, I said "It was pretty damn decent".
Why aren’t you capable of taking things for what they are instead of trying to find some hidden motive?
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
let's not sugar coat the fact that he got knocked around pretty good. 4 runs in the 1st was awful.
it was a nice comeback on his part as he settled in, but 4 runs in 5+ innings is not decent. they weren’t cheap runs either. he was leaving balls up in the zone and he doesn’t have the stuff to get away with that.
as previously stated though, i’d leave him in the rotation
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by stpetelawyer on Jun 25, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's sugar coating anything?
All I said was it was a pretty damn decent start and listed his K/BB ratio.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, his k/bb ratio was good but that doesn't necessarily make for a decent start.
I’d say his ratio was decent (better than decent, actually) and his start was not. just my opinion.
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by stpetelawyer on Jun 25, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The first inning was awful.
Afterward, it was more of 2008 Sonnanstine than any other start this year.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed completely. hopefully it's a sign that he's coming around
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by stpetelawyer on Jun 25, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Fellas
We are gonna argue that he sucks, yet Price gives up more and he ultimately earns to stay in the rotation? I think credit is due to Sonny. 4 run first and that was it. Price was 10 runs in 3 innings (all hard it too, for the previous comment). “but only 5 earned…” oh well, Sonny kept the Rays in the game and then held the lead. I say keep him, keep Niemann cause there is no need to screw with someone that is doing decent and just insert Kaz in Price’s spot. The kid needs to develop a 3rd pitch.
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps we should trade him for a reliever!
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps....
or we could work him out of the bullpen, while he creates a change. Or let Xavier do that. I just don’t see why we are going to rush to keep him up if he isn’t performing the way HE wants to perform.
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jun 25, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Putting someone with Price's two pitch arsenal in the pen is about the worst way to develop a third pitch possible.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 25, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Then it can't work for the bullpen
R.J, I’d like to think that you would agree that Price needs to add a pitch to his resume. Fastball and slider, the scouting reports will catch up to him
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jun 25, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been suggesting all day that they should send him back down to AAA and remove his pitch count.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Agree
Randy Johnson struggled most of his career with only t….ya know what, fuck it.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jun 26, 2009 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Its going to be a tough decision
I’m not even going to comment. I will leave it to the people who are much smarter then me.
Kap-rilla???
I posted this in the post-game but it belongs here
Price should be the one to go and the rotation should look like this:
1. Shields
2. Kaz
3. Garza
4. Sonny
5. Niemann
That looks delicious if everyone is performing. I can see Andy improving his command and getting better…look how dominant he was after the 1st inning tonight. Price obviously isn’t ready for major league ball and still needs to work on commanding the strike zone. He’s only made it past the 6th inning once and even then he gave up 5 runs. I’m not just hating on Price because of his last poor start, I was considering this even before that.
It seems that with Price you either get command or control, never both
He’s either very hittable or he walks the world.
I don't think we've ever got command out of him.
He would just let it rip and his stuff was so good that it was effective when he did find the zone. He was either walking guys or striking them out. When we did get control it seemed that he sacrficed some of his stuff and still didn’t have good command.
by nolesblogger on Jun 26, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I take Niemann over Sonny
He has better stuff and has a better fastball/curve. Neither are going to eat innings so I prefer the less hittable one.
i think sonny has a better chance to eat innings due to his low walk levels
i also think that given the opportunity (based on nothing than my untrained eye) Niemann could be an effective reliever, given his decent fastball. If he only had to throw an inning or two, it would sit in the mid 90’s.
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by stpetelawyer on Jun 25, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
its a tough choice for Maddon
but I prefer the guy who keeps the ball in the park and can get right-handed batters out. K totals are about the same. I don’t like Niemann’s walk total but we are talking about a #5 starter so pick your poison. Niemann usually gives you a better chance to stay in the game, most earned runs he has given up since the bad opening start is 4. Sonny has taken us out of games a few times already.
by sofladude77 on Jun 25, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
correction
Niemann hasn’t allowed more than 4ER since the first May start in Boston
by sofladude77 on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats the problem with Sonny
He has a higher propensity to totally lose a game for us. With our offense we just need starters that have low variability with their starts. We don’t need shutouts. Just don’t let them put up a 8 spot.
What if Price was consistently inconsistent for the remainder of the season
say he was left in the rotation, we should take into account his mentality. He could only discourage him if he isn’t performing to his personal standards and living up to the standards of his fans. Price is very good and i know you cant compare this but I don’t want another Dewon Brazelton situation here with all the hype but not return (though that wouldn’t happen). I’d like to see them give Wade Davis a shot or Mitch Talbot a spot start when they look to change the rotation again after Kazmir is back.
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
you are going to get growing pains with young starters. that is to be expected.
by walkoffwalk on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If you wanted to deal with growing pains, you might as well just brought him up from Day one.
That was supposed to be the idea with sending him down, let him finish developing. Well, he didn’t develop at all. He doesn’t have 3 pitches, he doesn’t mix his pitches correctly, and he did not handle AAA bats well at all while he was down there. He’s not ready. We need this year’s best five starters right now, not next year’s best five starters.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
ughh with my grammer tonight.
I apologize
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
Hey guys, just look at it this way
At least we didn’t blow a boatload of money on John Smoltz. That move is going to haunt the Sox this year. It might be their Achilles Heel.
I like Dillon being DFA and Sonny being sent to Durham. Bradford and Kaz called up
Go with a rotation of Kazmir, Shields, Price, Garza, and Niemann. Sonny can go down to Durham and worked into their bullpen. From what I can tell he has never been a reliever in his career and I would rather any adjustment period occur while he is in Durham and not Tampa. We have this luxury as Bradford is coming back and our pen is pitching pretty well right now.
Sonny isn't major league quality yet.
He was saved by our bats.
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I'm usually hard on Sonny but I try to be fair
This start was about average. He sucked hard at the beginning and had a very strong rest of his start. He still didn’t go very deep and still gave up 4 runs. He did get hit very hard. One has to wonder how Sonny would fare without an outfield of gazelles.
FYI Sonny is 6-7 and leagues the league in run support at over EIGHT runs a game. How the hell do you lose that many games with that type of run support? Granted Sonnys RA is in the stratosphere but it is still amazing he has that many losses with that run support. My guess is that it is due to the variability of the Rays offense and Sonnys starts. Inconsistency is not good for baseball. That is the prime cause for our record beign what it is rather than what our run differential says it should be.
leads the league
I suck at typing early in the day
St Pete Times
here is the direct quote from the article
Still, he is 6-7 despite the best run support in the majors (8.16 runs per nine innings) and a 6.61 ERA that is highest of all regular starters in either league.
Its a pretty funky stat to have both the highest ERA in the league (starters) and get the most run support
He is like the polar opposite of Shields
Cool, just have never run across a sortable stat by that metric
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
He still needs to fucking quit leaving the ball up.
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My thoughts on the rotation
I hesitate to send Price down. There will be growing pains, but at worst he’s LA. With 2 LA starters at 4 and 5 you are fine. Then Garza and Shields are very good. Kaz is the WC. Will he be 2007 Kaz? Probably not, but if he’s close that’s quite the rotation. So, who gets the boot from the rotation? Right now I say Sonny because I think he could be the RH JP (as has been said many times). Niemann to the BP still concerns me because of his warm-up issues. I think at some point we trade a starter, and at that point either Davis or the fallen starter move into the rotation.
I think Price helps the Rays more in 09 than Niemann or Sonny
but I worry about the stunting of his long term development. I’m not sure its worth it.
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I think it's better for his development.
He has to face adversity and succeed. Dominating in AAA will do little to help him.
If he develops other pitches, he probably would not dominate
Will he throw those pitches in big league games?
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Maybe. Maybe not.
He “was throwing them” in Durham to little avail. Players learn pitches at the big league level all the time. He has the talent to be a decent starter this year, and then he can work on it over the offseason and in ST if he feels more comfortable with it. I’d rather him pitch to big leaguers than blow away minor league hitters who couldn’t hit his change if it came out of my arm.
If Price can learn more in Durham than in Tampa
than Xavier Hernandez needs to be the pitching coach in Tampa.
Having two (or three) pitchers who struggle to go six innings will make it tough on the bullpen.
Sonny is an inning-eater, but very hittable when command is off. But it is a tough choice,
13 pitchers may be an option for this team
We have a lot of versatility on the bench so if any team can do it we can.
Longos hammy would be the only reason not to with NL IL play behind us
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 26, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
the flexability of Zobrist and Aybar should cancel out the worry of Longo's injury.
if we make a roster moved based on being worried that 3 guys could get hurt in the same game that is a mistake.
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Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Scott Kazmir but for who?!
yeah money well spent by Burrell
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Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Scott Kazmir but for who?!
Sonny should stay Price should go
Sonny has 70 starts now of 4.26 FIP. I’m sorry if I’m not surprised by Sonny bouncing back…
If you want Sonny to stay then hope for Niemann in the pen
Maddon and Friedman have said many times they will deal with Price’s growing pains in the majors
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Scott Kazmir but for who?!

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