Rays send down Andy sonnanstine, designate winston abreu. Scott Kazmir will start on Saturday. The Rays had to make room for LHP Scott Kazmir and RHP Chad Bradford to be activated. The decision on who to drop from the rotation was between Jeff Niemann, David Price and Andy Sonnanstine.
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DOWN GOES SONNY. DOWN GOES SONNY.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jun 26, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the moves--wish we could have stashed Abreu
by Raymondo on Jun 26, 2009 11:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still think Price should have been sent down, but not removing Niemann from the rotation was definitely the right thing to do.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Price v the Marlins
they loke to swing the bat
by Raymondo on Jun 26, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but what I cared the most about was Niemann staying in the rotation for now, so I don't care anymore either way.
In my eyes, keeping Price is only marginally worse then keeping Sonny up right now.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for Sonnanstine
I mean, he wasn’t really as bad as he looked and he had a good season last year
by Transplanted on Jun 26, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A few other things
Maddon’s got a picture of a black family sitting on his desk directly behind him. For no reason whatsoever, I can’t help but think that’s the picture that came with the frame.
Also, That phone he has on his desk is a Cisco 7941, and it’s badass.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I saw that too...
that’s all I could think of
Boom. Outta Here.
by WillisDaddy on Jun 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Dillon lives to see another day
Somehow.
Hello.
by killa3312 on Jun 26, 2009 11:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think this was the mistake
Abreu is more valuable to this team than Dillon IMO
by matthan on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Longoria's hamstring unjury is why Dillon is hanging around
They mentioned they thought about an extra pitcher, but opted against it
by Transplanted on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this, sadly
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by FreeZorilla on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagreed.
Our bullpen has been shit-hot the past month, and we still need valuable right-handed hitters.
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is Dillon valuable? How do we need him?
Jason McEachern watch: 5 ip 3 h 0 er 0 bb 4 so 0.00 ERA
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 26, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brignac is better suited for that spot
but they want Briggy starting so we just carry Dillon around with us
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Scott Kazmir but for who?!
by joeybw on Jun 26, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea and like I and some other predicted, Brignac not seeing any time at 2B in Durham.
I don’t see how him playing SS in Durham is any better than him being in Tampa.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can come in for D if Zobrist or Bartlett get hurt
and unlike Aybar or Dillion, he would play great D
He also can do something we dont have anyone to do, pinch fucking run
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Scott Kazmir but for who?!
by joeybw on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brignac played 2B like 2 days ago
Jason McEachern watch: 5 ip 3 h 0 er 0 bb 4 so 0.00 ERA
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only thing I don't like here is keeping Dillon and getting rid of Abreu.
With the flexability of Aybar and Zobrist we don’t really need another infielder. Combine that with not knowing how many innings you are going to get out of Kazmir and Price pitching back to back (or even if Niemann goes in between). I would be much more comfortable with the extra pitcher.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah the next 2 days will use up the pen
Cormier is gonna pitch a lot of innings in 1 of them
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Scott Kazmir but for who?!
by joeybw on Jun 26, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sad to see Sonny go.
I’ll miss him and his quirky pinch-hitting and pinch-running escapades.
Still, you can’t stick in the league with an OBA of over .300. Just isn’t gonna happen.
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Question
Does this decision indicate in any way which pitcher (Sonny/Niemann) is more on the trading block. I would take this as us being more likely to move Niemann because his value would seemingly be higher because he is pitching in the majors.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is probably accurate.
It’s likely that Niemann will pull more in a trade. When Sonny isn’t hanging pitches in the strike zone, he’s still an effective pitcher and has a better track record for durability. The only way Sonny makes it back up before September is through an injury or trade.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if he remains #1 on the "next up" list or if Carlos Hernandez can pass him if he continues to perform well.
I don’t think we see Davis till September no matter what.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless he gets injured or craps his pants in AAA, I doubt Hernandez (or Davis for that matter) get moved ahead of him.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder how he takes it
I remember, either last year or the year before Hammel sat out like 2-3 weeks after a demotion refusing to report. I don’t think we will see that out of Sonny but you never know.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question # 2
What was Maddon referring to when he said, “The reasons we’re moving Sonny is, one, because of performance…and, also, for other issues, which I talked about with him.” What are “other issues”?
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Niemman out of options
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jun 26, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, I'm an ignoramus
but what does “out of options” mean?
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Minor League Options
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jun 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
does that mean we might trade Niemann and then bring Sonny back up
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine that would be an ideal situation
but we aren’t going to give Niemann up for nothing.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mind keeps reverting to the fact
that we yanked Niemann after four innings when he’d only given up two runs in NY, then left Sonny in to pitch 7 (?) last night after giving up four in the first inning…and then Maddon’s nice comments about Sonny before tonight’s game.
I’m very surprised he was sent down, actually. But it makes more sense if they’re planning to trade Niemann by boosting his apparent value.
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonny and Price were the only pitchers that could've been sent down. Niemann was out of minor league options so he can't be sent down.
by walkoffwalk on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also been the best of the 3 so far, so it would be damn stupid to take him out of the rotation.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was a tactical move...
Rays had an excellent opportunity to take a lead in a game with the pitcher’s spot coming up. If it was an AL park he would have stayed in.
Boom. Outta Here.
by WillisDaddy on Jun 26, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im pissed that they DFA Abreu and kept worthless POS Dillon
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if someone doesn't pick up Abreu.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya a bunch of teams sure could use him
i bet the twins or marlins pick him up
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
worthless POS?
Good god.
It’s one thing to reasonably disagree with the move based on your valuation of Abreu, but calling a ballplayer who has come in and done his job well a worthless POS is just dumb.
by RATW on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
today sucks for sports for me (besides the rays winning)
Rubio may stay in Spain or be traded and the rays DFA Abreu who i really thought could be a real help if given a chance
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You were a fool to think Rubio would go to Minnesota.
Swav or Die
For the lulz
by SRQman on Jun 27, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
at least you still have jonny flynn
who isn’t going to be what Rubio will be, but at least you’re not with out options if/ when you have to trade the rights to Rubio.
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 27, 2009 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jonny Flynn is going to turn the NBA into his personal bitch
That man can ball, I just wish he would have taken the Cuse to the Final Four this year instead of making all that money.
Rays Win!
by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 28, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sonny in the pen in Durham.
I’m interested to see if he gains a couple of MPH on his fastball and a bit more bite on his breaking stuff. Ala JP Howell.
I’d much rather move Wheeler/Nelson than deal away Sonny/Niemann and if Sonny thrives as a reliever in Durham I don’t see why that would be a problem.
by Vin on Jun 26, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure i like a contact pitcher in the pen....also one that is prone to the long-ball.
by walkoffwalk on Jun 26, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonny and Niemann are both SP
and why tinker with the pen?
by Raymondo on Jun 26, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would get rid of Wheeler if someone would take the bait that he has been effective lately
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheeler doesn't suck
Wheeler in high pressure situations sucks.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why are we starting this "Sonny to the bullpen" crap again?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because he sucks as a SP
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, except it's not true.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why is he getting sent down and not Price who also still has options?
Sonny is garbage this year
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't differentiate the difference between the time-specific 'this year' and an an all-encompassing 'he sucks', this isn't worth discussing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not that big of a fan of Sonny
last year i came around on him, and actually i became a big fan of him last year, but this year i dont like what i see from him, too many big innings and too many HR
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Home runs can be fixed a lot easier then pitch efficiency.
Especially with him, all he has to do is stop throwing the ball up. And since Navarro for some reason really likes to call the high fastball for him with 2 strikes, some of that blame falls on him too.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya i hope your right, i would love to see him rebound
there is a good chance he will be shopped around next offseason, since Wade Davis will be ready and more time in AAA probably wont be needed
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Percival and Bradford both being FAs at the end of this season, Sonny might be prime for a bullpen spot then.
That, or Niemann then. I don’t think the Rays like Niemann in the rotation as an extended-term solution due to his injury history.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sonny could be the righthanded version of Howell
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is where I'm coming from.
Nelson’s also a FA.
Sonny’s not going to lose his ability to eat innings by moving to the pen for a while. He’s definitely the type of pitcher who could step back into the starter role without a problem.
by Vin on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so kinda like Cormier this year?
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With any luck.
He had some hefty hittable/home run issues before being moved to the pen too.
Its just something we won’t know til its tried.
by Vin on Jun 26, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because Price isn't going to be any worse than Sonny and has a much higher potential of being better.
my guess is Sonny won’t be in Durham for more than 4 starts. Someone will get moved/hurt from either the rotation or pen.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It must still be kind of embarrassing for him.
Poor guy.
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he is this years Jason Hammel
There are a lot of teams out there that would love to have the tough decision we have.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I wish we could use him like last night, 1 inning and than thats it.
forget the other 6. While I’m not a huge Sonny fan one of his strengths is grinding out a start and going 6-7 innings.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it. Sonny is good with pitch counts.
All year long, he’s been getting lit up by the long ball, but if you’re giving up 6 runs in 7 innings and only pitching 100 pitches, you’ve got to be doing something right. It’s not like early Niemann or Kaz going 4+ with 110 pitches.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think if people went with their guts
they’d admit that seeing Price and Niemann lose control of their game is much scarier than seeing Sonny give up a couple of homeruns.
Sonny goes right back to work like nothing happened. Price and Niemann go into chaos mode and blow the whole game open. They’re more talented, I think, but way more unpredictable.
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niemann's been quite a bit better with this as of late.
But on concept, I agree. If people really got bent out of shape about the occasional homer, people would have been screaming for Shields to get DFA’d by now.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niemann looked atrocious in that game agains the Mets last weekend.
His control just disappeared and he was looked totally flustered and out of control on the mound.
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but he had like 5 or 6 starts before that where he didn't have that problem.
Sometimes, pitchers just have bad games.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Price doesn't show some improvement over the next 4-5 starts i say send him back down and bring back Sonny
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if we don't trade a pitcher by the deadline.
I’m assuming and hoping we will be buyers so this may be for our young corner OFer of a Catcher but even if we are sellers I would imagine that either Niemann or Sonny get moved. We have some qualified options in AAA if we have to because of injuries.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's becoming increasingly likely that the Rays are going to be buyers at the deadline.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why the fuck do we have to play in the AL East?
Seriously, what did we do to deserve this shit?
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We punched the entire American League in the mouth last year.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess you haven't read the rest of this subthread then, huh?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why is it retarded?
if he pitches poorly over the next month or so, he should be sent to the minors to work out somethings.
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we should have demoted BJ a few weeks ago too.
we didn’t draft Price #1 and back up the truck to send him back to the minors. He isn’t Ian Snell.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My man BJ is still tearing it up
God, this is sweet vindication
by Zach Attack on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no BJ has proven himself and was still kinda fighting back from surgery
Price hasn’t proven that much in the majors. i would hate for Price to be sent to the minors, if it might have to happen if he continues to be ineffective
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep saying that he doesn't look ready, it's not like he's ready and not performing well, he didn't develop a 3rd pitch, he's still having pitch count issues, and he didn't do well in AAA. I don't think it's the same thing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 26, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree
I didn’t think he was ready when they called him up. He hadn’t proven that he could keep his pitch count down and work deep into games. That being said, the decision was made to bring him up and I don’t think that sending him back to the minors will do him any good. He needs to pitch with confidence and I think a demotion would hurt that.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think sending him back and forth to durham would hurt him that much
Certainly not as bad as moving him back and forth to the bullpen
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Jun 27, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that it matters much now, but I would agree that sending him back to the minors under the same conditions he was in (75 pitch count limit) would be beneficial at all.
I would have thought that sending him back down unrestricted though might have had some effect. In my eyes, it’s the difference between training and development. At the pitch count, he wasn’t developing anything. He wasn’t really too responsible for what was going on in the games, he was coming out after 3 or 4 innings anyway, all he needed to do was work on his 3rd pitch and try not to blow his arm out. He was just going in every five days to get work in; essentially training.
You send him down there to actually pitch games though, and you’re putting him through a development process; placing him in situations where his performance matters. He has to manage his pitch counts so that he isn’t getting pulled in the 3rd inning of games because he’s getting lit up. He has to learn when he should and shouldn’t use appropriate pitches, and he works on his 3rd pitch.
I was not/am not in favor of shuffling him up and down 3 or 4 times either, just to clarify. It would have been a more “send him down and don’t call him back up until he’s ready” thing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 28, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to miss Dark Balfour.
Like Balfour last year, here’s selfishly hoping Darkness clears waivers.
by RATW on Jun 26, 2009 11:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: anyone see The Hangover?
the funniest movie i have seen
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that from a few people.. it must be pretty good
by RalphieTheRay on Jun 27, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh ya its amazing
the most i have laughed at a movie
Ricky Rubio has become my new man crush
by RaysOfHope on Jun 27, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny as hell
I’d see it again tonight
by Jason Collette on Jun 27, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually have a pretty good analysis coming out tomorrow that shows Sonny should actually have the second most wins on the team
Of course evaluated in such a way to make expected wins and losses a very useful metric
by matthan on Jun 26, 2009 11:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he should lead the majors in wins
the guy gets over 8 runs per game.
by Dbullsfan on Jun 27, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That isn't the angle I took
He didn’t get any benefit for getting more run support than other Rays pitchers in this analysis. It has more to do with the volatility of his games. Hes had some major clunkers, but given the Rays average RPG (for every pitcher) Sonny should have the 2nd most wins on the team
by matthan on Jun 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niemann gets like 11.
It’s patently absurd how much run support he gets.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jun 27, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
In my analysis I’m assuming an equal run support for each pitcher and an equal distribution of those runs within the game itself. Basically what it comes down to is I’m mainly looking at the game by game volatility of our pitchers
by matthan on Jun 27, 2009 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks to P Brady for covering.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 27, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I cover more asses than a pair of pants at woodstock
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jun 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That not a lot of credit for yourself....
PBRADY deserves a better anology DAMMIT!
by RalphieTheRay on Jun 27, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect...
why didn’t we DFA that Fat Fuck Percival?
Has there even been a peep about his return from injury?
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 27, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uh....it's the 25 man roster we talking about
Swav or Die
For the lulz
by SRQman on Jun 27, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Duly noted
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 27, 2009 4:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldn't we have put Percival on the 60-day DL?
by walkoffwalk on Jun 27, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To put Winston on 40 yes..
Swav or Die
For the lulz
by SRQman on Jun 27, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs



















