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The Ben Zobrist Code Pt 2: An Exclusive Interview With Ben Zobrist

Ben "Zorilla" Zobrist basking in the glory of just one of his late inning lightning moments earlier this season. (AP Photo/Steve Nesius)

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Ben "Zorilla" Zobrist basking in the glory of just one of his late inning lightning moments earlier this season. (AP Photo/Steve Nesius)


DRaysBay has done something nobody else has been able to do; we've caught Zorilla.

After the 2007 season Ben Zobrist's future with the Tampa Bay Rays was uncertain. A year after being the team's opening day short stop, Zobrist was replaced by Jason Bartlett, and went into the 2008 training camp fighting for a roster spot; any roster spot. The Rays decided to groom Zobrist for a utility or the more popular term "super" utility role. He played all over the infield in spring including first base. He was learning all three outfield positions in the process. I'm pretty sure if they asked, he would've donned the catchers gear or took the mound as well.

To this point in his career, Ben Zobrist's value was in his defense and positional flexibility. Offensively, however, he was a mess. Coming into 2008 he was a career .200/.234/.275 hitter with just 13 extra base hits and three career home runs. After showing good place discipline throughout his minor league career, Zobrist had just 13 walks while striking out 47 times in 303 plate appearances. If Zobrist was going to have a serious major league career he would need to fix that. In case you haven't noticed, he's fixed it alright.

In April, I "broke" the Zobrist code. I spoke to the swing mechanic, Jaime Cevallos, that helped turn Zobrist from the hitter I mentioned above, to the man that is hitting .287/.404/.622 with 16 home runs this year. The beast who has hit 28 home runs in his last 477 plate appearances.

Today, I bring you inside Zobrist code from the man, the myth, the legend that is Zorilla, Ben Zobrist.

Star-divide

Recently, I had the honor of speaking with Zobrist about his side of the story. As mentioned above after 2007 Ben was facing uncertainty in his career. As fate would have it, Zobrist and Cevallos's paths would cross. Knowing he needed to improve, Zobrist was open to Cevallos's teachings. "I knew something had to change," Zobrist said. "Jaime approached me at showtime with some video of good big league hitters and compared it with swings he had of mine, showed me the difference, gave me his philosophy of how I needed to change my swing." At first, Zobrist's admits that he was uncertain of Cevallos's technique. However after hearing a familar voice echo the same advice he bought into the system a bit more. "Jaime's techniques made sense but I wasn't too sure about making complete changes based on a guy that I didn't know too well, but when I heard Dan, who I knew well basically telling me very similar things in a different way, I knew I had to go with it," says Zobrist.

The "Dan" he is referring to is Dan Heefner, the head baseball coach at Dallas Baptist University where Zobrist played in college. He also happens to be Ben's brother-in-law. Heefner noticed things very similar to Cevallos and in different ways both coaches helped change the way Zobrist swung the bat. He says that Heffner told him "to stay connected in the swing."  "What he meant," Zobrist explains "was to keep all body parts moving together into the ball instead of fluid separated swing that many hitting coaches teach.  When I worked on these things in my swing, I immediately saw the power difference in BP.  Taking it into the game was tough but I made the adjustments."

Knowing it is almost impossible to quantify a coaches teaching in numbers, I asked Ben if he could elaborate on how both impacted his revamped swing. "I would say it was 50/50 what made me make the change between Dan and Jaime," he claims.  "I saw the evidence from both of them and couldn't refute it.  I was obligated to make the changes when I saw the evidence of a better swing."

In all walks of life change can be a difficult thing. For a major league baseball player who has done things a certain way nearly all his life this can be even more difficult especially while facing the best competition in the world. Zobrist knew this, and yet decided for himself that the change was necessary for the better. "You have to be willing to commit to changing for the better.  Most big league hitters don't want to mess with something that got them so far in the game, but if you already have the tools, sometimes you just need someone to show you how to use them better," explains Zobrist. Ah, nothing like a trip to the ol' mechanics to get you going.

Since training with Cevallos and Heefner, Zobrist has taken what he's learned from both and tried to pass it along to others. "I have told people about it and used some of the same swing truths when doing my own lessons in Nashville in the offseason, without trying to take the credit for coming up with anything," he says. When asked if he is still in contact with Cevallos, Zobrist said that the two were in contact recently and Cevallos is still "encouraging" him to keep up with the training. However, Zobrist added that during the season he tries "not to get too technical during the season especially if I'm swinging it well. I try to see the ball and swing at strikes." Sounds simple enough since swinging well is something he has done and continues to do.

Even the most hardcore statistical analysts continues to marvel at what Zobrist has accomplished over the past year or so. While we at DRaysBay continue to be amazed by what he's doing on the field, Zobrist himself is taken back a bit by all the success he's having. Even with all the hard work he has put in, he admits that he sometimes is surprised by it all. I asked him the following question: Do you sometimes just sit back and say wow, this is pretty amazing? Answering honestly, he said "Yes, especially since I didn't realize I had the kind of power potential I
have shown lately.  I give praise to God for the talents and abilities he gave me, for the opportunities I have right now, and for giving me the wisdom through these people in my life." The guy makes Tim Tebow look like a criminal.

After Akinori Iwamura's injury, Zobrist has worked his way into an everyday player at second base. Even though he's looked comfortable at every position, he admits that the more he plays at a given position the better he feels. "I'm most comfortable where I have been playing most lately." While Zobrist has looked good defensively at each position he's played, not everything has come easy. I asked him which things were most difficult and here is what he said. "The difficulties are usually on certain plays....going back on a ball in the outfield, the 2nd base feed to SS, the backhand at short, etc."

Injuries have shifted the Rays plans for Benzo. He is no longer just a super utility bench player, but now an everyday player without a permanent home. That suits him just fine. "I just want to play everyday to help the team, so wherever that is, I'm good with it." Whether starting or coming off the bench, Zobrist says mentality and attitude have a large role. I asked him about his late inning heroics and if there was a secret to the magic that is "late inning lightning." "Coming in late in the game and doing something good is mostly mental.  You have to maintain a positive attitude and build on little successes here and there, realizing that you might be just what your team needs to win the game.  No pressure, just fun," he replied. See guys, facing Matt Thornton or Joe Nathan with the game on the line is no pressure at all; it's just a little fun.

Nicknames are also fun and nobody on the Rays has more than Zobrist does. Around these parts you may hear him referred to as: Late inning lightning, MVZ, Weapon Z, but he admits that his Zorilla is tops. "Zorilla's my favorite and the one that has been catching on lately," said Zorilla. He goes on to say that James Shields still goes by the moniker  "Big Game" and that recently demoted Andy Sonnanstine was/is known as "Boom Boom." For the player leading the American League in slugging and OPS maybe Boom Boom is a name better suited for himself.

Whether it was the unorthodox teachings of the swing mechanic, the advice of his brother-in-law, good luck, or a bit of all three, Ben Zobrist is proving he is the real deal. As long as he continues to play well and play well for the Rays it doesn't really matter how he got to this point, but hopes that he remains in this spot. The Zobrist code started out as a mystery, but is playing out more like a fairy tale and it could not have happened to a nicer guy.

Huge thanks to Ben Zobrist for taking the time during the season to sit and chat with me. When I say it couldn't happen to a nicer guy I mean it. For the Zobrist Code pt 1, click here.

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Probably one of the best interviews I've seen from a player.

Boom Boom Sonnanstine is the highlight of this, though.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jun 29, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

woops

meant to press tab… was going to follow that and say great job Tommy!

by behn on Jun 29, 2009 1:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice work

Zobrist is magic

by daveh33 on Jun 29, 2009 3:06 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Zobot

Nice read Tommy, humility is one of the best attributes you can find in a person.

Rays Win!

by Sandy Kazmir on Jun 29, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great interview

Ben seems like a class guy. Odd though that over the last month he’s turned into Carlos Pena: .259/.388/.617 8 HR 17 BB 20 K. The Ks are interesting because the past 28 days’ worth represent slightly over 25% of his strikeouts over the past 365 days. Not that a .617 SLG is anything to scoff at. Ben’s always been a good contact hitter, so this is likely just a speed bump and not proof of a total metamorphosis.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jun 29, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he will, but agreed.

.179 BABIP over the last two weeks.

Pena is sick underrated, so I wouldn’t mind if we had two of those. Not to derail the thread, but how does a guy leading the league in HR and BB while playing great defense not even enter the AL All-Star discussion?

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jun 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lulz

I do get the impression that Los has the best personality of all the Rays. He should host the morning news.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jun 29, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what would really be funny? One sports show with Tebow, Zobrist, and Gross as hosts

With a competing show on another station with Kapler, Youkilis, and Shaun Green as hosts.

And they argue over who reported Billy Mays’ death first.

Yes, I’m taking shots at Shit and Blubba the Lard Sponge.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jun 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

subplot

the war for ryan braun’s true faith

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jun 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos is good, but there are better first basemen

It seems all of the elite 1B also have elite gloves. I’d rate their gloves at about equal, but Pena’s stick is a tad bit worse. He is still a great player.

by matthan on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

imo, Ben has not played ever day at the MLB level

ever in his career, and may need a break

expect to see Aybar at 2B for a game on this trip, unless of course Longo is out

by Raymondo on Jun 29, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a random thought

How do we only get 27 AB for Gabe Kapler in the month of June?

by Raymondo on Jun 29, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kapler is hitting .094/.147/.094 vs RHP this year. Gross has 5 XBH in 14 ABs vs LHP

Both small sample sizes, but Kapler has shown no ability to hit a righty.

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by Tommy Rancel on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mean to plug myself...

…but we talked a bit about this on my recent fanpost:

http://www.draysbay.com/2009/6/26/927007/gabe-gross-not-so-average

The fact is that Gross has thus far killed LHP this season. Frankly, I think Maddon might be experimenting with the right fielder. This of course, shouldn’t take away from how deadly Kapler is against LHP.

Gross for an everyday position! (no offense, Kapler)

by B Ray on Jun 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Kapler has nearly 2000s ABs vs RHP in his career.

In other words, he definately can’t hit RHP.

Gross for an everyday position! (no offense, Kapler)

by B Ray on Jun 29, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Matchup Management

If you pinch hit for Gross with Kapler late in the game, the opposing manager is going to bring in a righty. Gross vs a lefty is > than Kalper vs a righty. He’s also better defensively.

The only game where Kapler missed ABs was vs Colorado when Burrell started in RF.

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by FreeZorilla on Jun 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same guy who said this

June 6th: Kapler should never play

I could go further back to the “wave goodbye to Kapler” posts

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Jun 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Be cautious about an opinion, i'll be watching

it’s called being a fan, we don’t get paid to think like Andrew

it’d be good if TB had thousands more like me

by Raymondo on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

9 out of 10 people had enough of Gabe Kapler a few weeks ago.

He was literally brain-dead for 2 straight months with no apparent explanation. This is pretty weak.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jun 29, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its just about keeping things in context

Kapler’s results were horrible early, and I don’’t fault frustration. Knee-jerk reactions based on small samples of performance almost never lead to good results. It goes against the Book, and it goes against the type of management that has enabled the Rays to compete at a level well beyond their payroll.

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by FreeZorilla on Jun 29, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem was that the relevant sample size that he could mash lefties was losing in value

Remember the guy did retire for a year. The sample of him being a lefty masher didn’t exactly occur yesterday. Plus he looked bad in the field and on the base paths. I could see why the Rays picked him up. His 2008 was solid. However there was significant risk here. This wasn’t like Gabe Gross where we were really confident in what we were getting. The variance in Kaplers performance was going to be quite a bit higher. There was risk. Worrying about Kapler is far different than worrying about a player that doesn’t have such wide swings in production.

by matthan on Jun 29, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said there was reason for frustration

However, if you had concerns, you can’t simply forget them and push for closer to full time opportunities after 3 weeks. Its the one extreme to another pendulum.

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by FreeZorilla on Jun 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nathan?

Kevin, but pretty close.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jun 29, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah.

8.2 out of 10

Knee-jerk extreme reactions are usually the exception and not the rule for most here.

BALLFOUR! BALLFOUR! Does BJ have options left?

I kid, mostly.

by RATW on Jun 29, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call it knee-jerk either.

Like I said, two straight months with zero from the bat. He was bad. Comically bad. Clearly, I was wrong, but I wouldn’t say that it was short-sighted.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jun 29, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The mean things?

Shields needs to stop giving up runs in the first inning?
Shields needs to stop giving up the lead as soon as the team gives it to him?
Shields needs more run support?
Shields needs to kick the teams ass the next time they score 10 runs for Jeff Niemann but only score half of one for him?

Which ones of those are mean? And yes, I know he stopped giving up runs in the first, I haven’t said anything about it in a while.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jun 30, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't directed at you.

But comically bad or not, those two straight months totaled less than 90 plate appearances, not exactly a significant sample size. And now, as FreeZorilla said, some are going to the opposite extreme based on fewer than 30 plate appearances.

by RATW on Jun 30, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that's true.

Going back to the source though, Raymondo isn’t saying anything about trying to make Kapler a full-time OFer, if anything, he’s suggesting he get splits similar to Gross. I think it’s wrong since we KNOW Kapler can’t hit righties, but it’s still a fun point to explore.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jun 30, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

other than a few PH vs LHPs

where are you going to put the guy? he can’t play the infield and he isn’t going to take away ABs from BJ or CC.

Selgy

by mittens on Jun 29, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had the pleasure of helping his wife in the Team Store last night

She is taller than you’d think, and not exactly hot, but extremely extremely cute.

by Acadien on Jun 29, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good stuff, tommy.

i love me some zorilla.

Selgy

by mittens on Jun 29, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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