6/7 Post-Game: Tampa Bay Rays @ New York Yankees
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:37 PM EDT
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| Player | WPA |
| Garza | 0.169 |
| Nelson | 0.161 |
| Gross | 0.131 |
| Pena | 0.051 |
| Navarro | 0.049 |
| Upton | 0.035 |
| Aybar | -0.025 |
| Longoria | -0.038 |
| Joyce | -0.067 |
| Crawford | -0.089 |
| Brignac | -0.09 |
| Zobrist | -0.127 |
| Balfour | -0.208 |
| Howell | -0.452 |
Haha, we don't need robot strikecallers. Why would we? Let's stick with tradition over accuracy. I want my next surgery to be done by candlelight, my next post will be written with a typewriter, and instead of a car I'm going to ride around on horse driven carriage. Technology sucks.
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Amazing to me, in going over some of the GDT posts
how some of you don’t blame Ball Four for that loss
Of course he should make it
but Ball Four’s lack of the strike zone has reached alarming
From a long time follower of the game, when you start
blaming the umpire’s strike zone for every loss, you’re done
Exactly, theirs did great ours sucked
but we need our SP to go more than 5.2 and 5 IP
Balfour should know that three strikes wouldn't be called.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Are yyou new to baseball?
His reputation follows him
And that's why we need robots calling balls/strikes.
So bias goes out the window.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
how would that go down?
just a camera on the zone and a fat old dude calling strikes from the production truck?
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
The Gameday mechanic buzzing the homeplate umpire with a ball or strike call?
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
might work
it might be too impractical to institute. but the batters and managers would be able to stfu and stop arguing balls/strikes
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
wanna know why i have problems with you so often?
where were you before the 8th?
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I don't have a ;ap top, so i watch the game
then post after i think it’s over
your lap top appears when we start losing
I am giving you a 24 hour ban, if someone unbans you or I get demodded, fine, hopefully you will be gone for 24 hours
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
sorry but i cant take it anymore
him rubbing salt in the wound and only showing up if we blow the game
no need for him
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Leave the thread then.
If you start banning for being annoying, then you have to keep banning for everything considered annoying.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I apolofize RJ
I ask 1 thing, if he wants to complain, be here all game, not when we blow it
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
you'll be happy to know
i’m out of town from the 10th till the 18th
you want honesty?
You are a good poster but your timing never fails and I guess I am more pissed than I though
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I acting childish
I admit it
Normally you just really bother me but its not even worth a warn
never thought id say this to you but I apologize
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
i did but unlike most cunty people, I admitted I was wrong
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
It's a slippery slope.
For all I know, most people might find me annoying.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
dude, i'm not rubbing a thing in
i’m as upset as any of you combined
RJ, i hope you understand that my dislike
of Ball Four isn’t something of late. I stated way back in ST when he couldn’t find the plate, he was in trouble
Abreu got what we need.
But he says we’re just a friend.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Kennedy said it well...
When Balfour’s only good pitch is a fastball, and he can’t even control that … you’re going to have problems with a lineup this crazy-talented. I’m not blaming any one dude for the loss, though. Aybar gets that routine groundball, we go into the ninth up 3-2.
Glad you said it
with Ball Four it’s like Ground Hog Day
Any game will hinge on luck to a significant degree
And there were more than a few times when the Rays could have gotten out of that inning. If Matsuo hits that grounder just a bit harder. If Aybar fields that error. If the ump calls balls and strikes better. I mean, the Rays have faced three of (perhaps) the best ten pitchers in the AL, in Joba, Rivera and Sabathia. And they still held their own today and almost came up with it. I still tip my hat to them. Lets go get them tomorrow.
maddon's gotta find out if he's just overthrowing it due to nerves
or his mind melts into a puddle when he goes out there lately
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
It can't be easy to pitch in such a high-leverage situation
with forty-five thousand screaming Yankee fans bearing down on you as you face A-Rod and Texeira.
lol there about 2 billion yankee "fans" in the world
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
there's a whole village in africa that's patriots "fans"
after they received all the 19-0 patriot clothes and hats from that year
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, fuck the Yankees "fans"
Booing Texeira like they did after only a month of the season, too dumb to even realize that he’s a slow starter. What douchebags.
they booed a-rod after the hard hit ball by aybar yesterday that bounched off him
after his lifted his club when he smashed a 1st inning homer
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"Waaaaaaaahh! The front office just bought us these expensive toys
and they don’t work well all of the time! Let’s smash ‘em and throw them around the room! That’ll teach them! We deserve better!"
he sure does seem to struggle against Boston and New York
NFL- Vikings,Lions,Texans,Bills Adrian Peterson!
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Reds,Twins Evan Longoria
NBA-T-Wolves,Cavliiers,Warriors,Bobcats Lebron James!
NHL-Wild,Penguins Sidney Crosby!
NCAA-Gophers,Gators,Longh orns,ND Tim Tebow!
all in the order in which i root for 1st
I was at the Red Wings game, the Nats have a good one in JD Martin at AAA Syracuse, but WTF
some of those are in the meat of the zone and thats a ball? The Magic weren’t able to win when it was them against the refs and LeBron, and apparently the Rays couldn’t beat 2 opponents either. Bitch bitch blah blah strikes balls fuck the police
Rays Win!
Losses like this are frustrating, but it's easy to blame them on one person when your upset.
You can blame the offense only scoring 3 runs, the defense(Aybar botching the groundball), J.P for walking in a run, Balfour for starting the fire……etc.
We can still win the series, ready for tomorrows game. About time we start getting some regulars back.
whats up with our pitchers and lack of control
Kazmir, Balfour, Price, Davis, Garza all are having trouble throwing strikes
Rays baseball + Colorado Football= amazing
Kaz was just turrible
Garza usually does well and I am pretty sure Price will be ok in the long run. Davis might be working on a pitch.
Swav or Die
For the lulz
Yeah, Kazmir does not belong in that list of pitchers
He’s what Malcolm Gladwell might call an “outlier” there
I can't beleve I was "that guy"
I am embarrassed at myself for losing my temper on a forum
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
do me a favor then
blow me
/rescue me
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I expect you to apologize 10000000000 times now
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
One last Ball Four note
when he came in, i turned to my wife and said “it’s over”
Gotta start thinking his teamates are doing the same
No they say that when Percy gets the call
NFL- Vikings,Lions,Texans,Bills Adrian Peterson!
MLB-Rays,Marlins,Reds,Twins Evan Longoria
NBA-T-Wolves,Cavliiers,Warriors,Bobcats Lebron James!
NHL-Wild,Penguins Sidney Crosby!
NCAA-Gophers,Gators,Longh orns,ND Tim Tebow!
all in the order in which i root for 1st
anyway
why doesnt MLB sell personalized alternate jerseys?!
I want one of Price
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
they want you to buy a $2,500 game used version
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jun 7, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
on a non-baseball side note:
tiger got his groove back
Tiger > the field
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
Silver lining?
For the last 18 innings, we’ve faced two of the Yankees’ top pitchers and a full strength lineup. The best closer in history. We’ve trotted out such diamond legends as Joe Dillon, Reid Brignac, Willy Aybar, Gabe Kapler, and DOINER at key positions. On aggregate, we’re 12-11. We didn’t get beat today. We gave it away. Believe me, it sucked to be sitting in that stadium today, but you can’t help but feel not so defeated about it, at least I don’t. We didn’t have Longo, MVB, PTB, Chadford, or anything resembling a major league catcher. If we can stick around .500 or a bit above for the next few weeks and get our full strength lineup together…we’ll start to do some damage.
So long, Sweet Lime!
We do need mechanic umps
But we cannot blame this ump. Look no umpire calls the exact strike zone. This guy was fairly consistent. He wasn’t calling the low strike for the most part. By the way is that strike zone normalized by batters height?
Also why wasn’t Longoria playing? If he was in we win the game. Again this is the same thing as when he DHd and got hurt. If he is healthy then he needs to be at third. If he is not healthy he needs to be benched. This back and forth shit is retarded.
Because he wasn't healthy enough to play defense or run the bases.
It was pretty obvious watching him trot down the first base line. Maddon just wanted to see if he was gonna take the ball yard… not a bad gamble, particularly since tomorrow is a night game.
that last out proved nothing as to his health
Maddon was looking for pne swing ala Gibson, and Longo was smart enough to know not to bust it on that GB
Well he PH yesterday also
And its the same thing when he DHd earlier.
Tim Beckham today
4 for 4, double, 2 rbi’s and that’s a 0 on the error front
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Boy are we in need of position player prospects
there is nobody but Jennings above low A
Kang/Beckham.
And hopefully Sano or Pena and whoever we draft soon.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 7, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, that graph is horrible
Still doesn’t excuse Balfour and Howell but…wow…
2009 Rays Baseball: God Damn It, Guys
I think it is safe to say Aybar is a horrible defender
He sucks. Slow as nails and has a bad glove. He cost the DR a game and just cost us a game (its a figure of speech). He just sucks in the field. What good is a slow-ass fielder when he can’t even get the balls right at him?
Shoulda defensive replaced Dillon for Aybar.
If PTB doesn't wake up from his epic slump
do we make him permanent DH.
We need Robots....The time is now Bud, Stern, and Goodell.
Seriously, Officiating Sucks in this Country
by 4QB on Jun 7, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's rated slightly below average this year and slightly above average for his career while
bouncing between three (and occasionally four) different positions.
Was it a shitty play? Absolutely. But, when you’re calling for Joe Dillon to replace someone… you’re losing perspective.
Aybar’s also made some very good plays this year defensively. Longo and Pena both occasionally make mistakes.
You hope that
The clubhouse demeanor doesn’t eventually get affected by how the bullpen pitches because then everyone starts pressing and that hurts even more along with the lack of confidence in the guys coming in, including the relievers themselves. We need some good innings to get that confidence back because we’re probably in the bottom 3rd in bullpen this year and 2 guys can’t keep doing it all.
Something very telling
I know that we can’t just keep on blaming the umps, but twice now (one time in each game) there were appeal plays that were obvious makeup calls by veteran umps. It was almost like they were trying to tell us that “yes, the home plate ump is that bad”. Matsui was close on a check swing and then on the appeal McClelland called it a 3rd strike, and then the same thing today with Barrett on Melky’s swing which was close again. I just thought that was interesting.
Also, I like how every freaks out like it's the end of the world when we lose a game 4-3 to the Yankees
following four straight wins.
We can't go overboard...
But then again if we want to make the playoffs we need to win these games. We’ve already played the patsies quite a bit in the AL so if we are to make up ground we have to play at least .550 ball against the top teams.
We're 6-4 in the last week without our choice DH/3B/2B/SS, and 4.5 (or maybe 5.0 after today) games out of first.
This is frustrating, but if we take the game tomorrow this game really won’t mean shit.
Not to mention with a depleted lineup.
When you get yourself into a hole early, it takes a while to get out.
That being said, I could see the Rays making a nice run here once they get Longo/MVB/PTB/Chadford back.
I'm thinking
posting some of the MLB.com “casual fans” quotes. Should i do that?
We need Robots....The time is now Bud, Stern, and Goodell.
Seriously, Officiating Sucks in this Country
Longo returns
and prob another performance that we can hope shows Joe that can even hit lefties
My lineup with the current injuries?
VS R
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longoria 3B
Pena 1B
Zobrist 2B
Joyce RF
Aybar DH
Navarro C
Brignac
vs L
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longo 3B
Pena 1B
Joyce RF(needs to start every game)
Zoberist 2B
Aybar DH
Navarro C
Brignac SS
But todays lineup
Upton CF
Crawford LF
Longoria 3B
Pena 1B
Aybar 2B
Zobrist SS
Dilllon DH
Kapler RF
Hernendez C
Worst MIF we can have, worst RF that we can use and bad bats from at least Kapler, Dillon and Hernendez may remember they aren’t supposed to be good also.
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
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