Official MLB Draft Round One Thread
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:52 PM EDT
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According to multiple team sources, several of the draft’s best high school players blew them away when they revealed their price tags. California lefthander Tyler Matzek, the best prep prospect in the draft, wants "precedent-setting money," which is interpreted to mean that he wants to surpass the record $7 million guarantee for a high schooler given to Josh Beckett and Rick Porcello. Texas righthander Shelby Miller, previously believed to be signable for around MLB’s bonus recommendations, is asking for $4 million.
New Jersey outfielder Mike Trout (upwards of $2.5 million), Texas outfielder Slade Heathcott (upwards of $2 million), Florida third baseman Bobby Borchering ($2 million) and North Carolina catcher Wil Myers ($2 million) all want top-10-pick money. Oklahoma southpaw Chad James seeks $1.75 million. Previously, Missouri righty Jacob Turner and Texas lefty Matt Purke alluded to Porcello money, while Georgia outfielder Donavan Tate will cost $6 million or more.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I'm not that surprised
Everyone is trying to get signed by the teams that will open up their wallets, and there might even be reverse-collusion going on here (which would be perfectly legal). Unless MLB institutes pure slotting, this will continue.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ugh
The rich get richer. Top 10 talent can be had at both of NYY’s first round picks.
Is this a Strasburg effect?
No
But it comes from Boras. Players are seeing now that sitting out a year isn’t hurting the amount of money they get. Hochevar sat out a year and got more. Townsend sat out a year and got the same. Crow isn’t projected to get any less this year. There are some others I’m forgetting.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
But will it work for highschool guys?
It seems like a much better option for college players than for high school players. Wouldn’t a high school player have much more to lose?
We'll see how much Matt Harvey gets next year
He fell out of the 1st round in 2007 because of bonus demands, wound up being taken in the 5th, not signing and going to UNC, where so far he hasn’t really been great.
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I bet on the fact we'll need another new topic by the time the Rays make their first pick?
www.raysprospects.com
I'm still having the problems with this thread too
Maybe SBN is having issues today? No problems for me at MiLB or BLH though.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=969
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not until just now Freud.
"Where we all wait in earnest with pudding in hand for the Upton comet to sail through the roofed skies, so that we may meet Him."
In 90% of the circumstances I would never say this
but I will be pissed if we draft a pitcher with any of our first 3 or 4 picks unless someone is just wayyyyyy to good to pass up. We need some positional depth.
Conversation starter: Anyone got any later-round sleepers?
Mine is Brian Moran, a UNC lefty reliever. Pedestrian stuff evidently, but he had a 1.95 ERA and an 88-8 KBB rate in 64.2 innings.
www.raysprospects.com
Pirates are like the perpetual '05 D-Rays in terms of drafting
“Huntington has emphasized that the organization’s draft needs to be judged based on the entire product and not the first round pick. He also recently mentioned that the club’s first round selection will likely not be extremely popular.” – MLB
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Speaking of the draft, any updates on Nick Fuller?
I could use a lap top
He didn't sign after being taken in the 25th round last year by Atlanta
He didn’t pitch for Walters State CC this year(where he did last year) so I have no clue if he even played this spring.
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 9, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Serves him right
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
the HS bonus thing...
… slightly encouraging.
I’m wondering if Wil Myers falls to us now… or Hobgood. [I already want to call him Hobgoblin and am envisioning amazing gifs/memes]
anyone besides me more excited about the draft than the game tonight
any we aren’t even picking high this year.
I'm going to the game
:(
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Meh.
The MLB draft isn’t anywhere near as compelling as the NFL Draft because there’s a 0.01% chance any of these guys are going to make an impact next season. I’m way more concerned with Shields pitching well and the Rays getting back to five hundy.
A bit higher than that....
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
fucknuts
wha hatnin to mah draybay?
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jun 9, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Nothing is what we thought it was, Suttree
All we know is about to change.
Again.
Starring Lou Diamond Phillips.
So long, Sweet Lime!
eggs and sausage and a side of toast
coffee and a roll, hash browns over easy
chile in a bowl with burgers and fries
what kind of pie?
In a graveyard charade, a late shift masquerade
2 for a quarter, dime for a dance
with Woolworth rhinestone diamond
earrings, and a sideway’s glance
and now the register rings
and now the waitress sings
i'm actually starting to feel bad for the pirates fans
some guy on sickels said that Law is reporting Pirates have reached a pre-draft deal with Sanchez.
Callis says
These six picks look fairly certain:
1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
www.raysprospects.com
damn
3-6 really destroys my mock.
i find it hard to believe Crow and Matzek both fall out of the top 6
Not so hard to believe with Crow
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
i meant that neither of them gets picked.
when they’re likely the 2nd and 3rd best players available.
teams are pussies
here's sickels board he posted a couple days ago
1) Stephen Strasburg, RHP, San Diego State
2) Dustin Ackley, OF-1B, North Carolina
3) Kyle Gibson, RHP, Missouri
4) Aaron Crow, RHP, Fort Worth
5) Tyler Matzek, LHP, California HS
6) Donovan Tate, OF, Georgia HS
7) Alex White, RHP, North Carolina
8) Mike Leake, RHP, Arizona State
9) Tanner Scheppers, RHP, St. Paul
10) Matthew Purke, LHP, Texas HS
11) Grant Green, SS, Southern Cal
12) Zach Wheeler, RHP, Georgia HS
13) Jacob Turner, RHP, Missouri HS
14) Shelby Miller, RHP, Texas HS
15) Bobby Borchering, 3B, Florida HS
16) Jared Mitchell, OF, LSU
17) Tim Wheeler, OF, Sacramento State
18) Chad Jenkins, RHP, Kennesaw State
19) Matt Hobgood, RHP, California HS
20) Drew Storen, RHP, Stanford
Sickles isn't a draft guru. He's good at what he does, but I don't particularly like his rankings.
Tools Whore
To far fetched for baiting. Be less obvious.
Tools Whore
Also: we're talking all white college seniors.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
So it's 2007 all over again?
Bludgeon me to death with Cody Cipriano’s right leg.
Tools Whore
They've done it every year
Michael Sheridan still hurts me inside.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Not as badly in 06 and 08.
07’ was absolutely painful.
Tools Whore
I'd put a lot more money on Mark Prior than Kris Benson
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Not a stripper
Just a slut
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You sir should die a slow death.
And hopefully he’s smart enough to marry someone who’s not a whore.
Tools Whore
Just because she talks like a whore doesn't mean she is one.
She’s just got a whore’s vernacular.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ackley should be #1
But only because Strasburg should be #.5 He’s THAT good.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
It's good to get another POV, but he's just one man
And not one who’s trained in scouting at that.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I agree. His opinions on minor leaguers are good
and I respect what he does. He’s got good sources too. His reporting is top notch. Good info in his books. Just don’t always agree with the way he puts together his rankings.
Tools Whore
Crow isn't one of the top 2 players available for sure
And there are a number of others I’d put ahead of Crow. As mentioned before, there were question marks with Crow, and sitting out a year is a debit in my mind.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Chances Crow falls to us?
Would anyone give it a 1% chance?
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Dave Cameron just posted this on LL from his scout friend:
"If you guys are feeling spendy, you might get Ackley and Crow. I don’t think he’s going in the first round if Seattle doesn’t take him."
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Crow now
but Joseph would be a nice pick also
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I don't want Crow
His secondary stuff is still only “okay” and it’s not like concerns about his mechanics vanished. I see him as a future reliever.
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can get him at 30 and not have to pay him top 5 money
Then he’s still probably a good pick. That second caveat is iffy though.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You're probably right
But stranger things have happened. If he drops to 30, that means other teams are taking his salary demands seriously.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Crow's asking price is going to be around the same as last year.
He’s going to try and save face. That’s one of the reasons he’s dropping.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone else annoyed
That MLB Network couldn’t be bothered to have an hour-long pre-draft show or something?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yes but what really annoys me is the draft being so close to game time
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Callis now has the 9 out of the top 10 locked down.
1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
7. Braves: Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor.
8. Reds: North Carolina righhander Alex White.
10. Nationals: Stanford righthander Drew Storen
Mike Minor to the Braves surprises me a lot, but apparently from what I’ve read earlier in the week, they’re not willing to go over slot, so that makes sense. I really hope there is reverse collusion going on and I hope the agents destroy buds system.
Tools Whore
this is weird
how do Turner/Matzek get out of the top 10?
the thought of one of them now dropping to nyy/bos is making me sick to my stomach
"I really hope there is reverse collusion going on and I hope the agents destroy buds system."
I don’t. Budgets are finite. Spending more on prospects means less money to spend on other things.
If it does happen, I hope MLB can bring the hammer down on excluding the draft from the CBA. A true slotting system (maybe with a mechanism to negotiate the slot amounts with the union) would be ideal.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Oh god how did I forget the potential shitty news
Rays pick 30 right after the deep pocket Yankees, even if we wanted Crow, they would prob steal him.
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Ehh. I like Turner a whole lot more.
Tools Whore
If the signing bonus is over 4 mil, it's probably not happening.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
well if we had been marketing Zobi-wan lightsabers to sell to kids
then we’d have a lot more spending money
Janet Jompjomp
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This doesn't make me particularly happy.
Tools Whore
You think they'll jump him straight to the majors?
I wouldn’t be surprised, but most GMs wouldn’t want to take that risk.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
well Ryan Zimmerman and Ross Detwiler didnt see much time in the minors
but I think he actually stays in the minors til next season
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
He'll get that one day clause that Weeks got.
I think they might just take advantage of it and get a huge spike in attendance giving him a shot and giving the Nationals a hell of a lot of buzz. First guy since Olerud to go pro straight out of college, best prospect ever. He’s the exception where the positives outweigh the risks.
Tools Whore
Doubt it
If you’re going to bet on a broken 2B, I’d go with Kendrick.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I love me some Howie Kendrick.
Which is weird, because his only real tool is his hit tool. Still…
Tools Whore
I really wanted the Rays to draft Weeks...
but it turned ok…
How are they doing this?
Still at work, so I am wondering how they are doing? Are they announcing the picks at the podium, how long does each team have, etc.?
I think each team has 4 minutes in the first round.
Then 1 in each subsequent round.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
Traditionally, it was done bang-bang-bang style. Maybe because it’s televised, they’ll actually wait the time between picks.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
4*30 = 120 minutes.
Which is two hours. They didn’t start at 6 exact, so it’s probably around 8:30.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that part
I’m just saying that IN THE PAST, teams haven’t waited the full 4 minutes between picks. They literally used to do it one right after the other, and maybe 4 or 5 teams would take the time to wait to make their picks.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ooh
Jim Callis is on the official coverage.
When they call OJ Mayo the “draft expert”, it still makes me giggle a bit. He’s gotten a lot better lately, but for years he was just horrible.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
2 to 8
Evidently, MLB thinks 20 to 80 is too confusing for the average viewer.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sad thing is
It probably is
2009 Rays Baseball: God Damn It, Guys
by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't have 80 fingers here, come on
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jun 9, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been on the Tommy Joseph bandwagon, but any of the first round catchers works for me.
Or if a certain arm or outfielder slip.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, not any. I didn't want Tony Sanchez.
Joseph/Myers since I doubt Stassi lasts.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, probably.
Myers is an athletic freak with a more questionable bat. Joseph has the bat, but questionable catching ability.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
They'd blow their loads
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm guessing the league told teams to wait the full 4 minutes this year
So they can fill up the show.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Giving time for Harold Reynolds to sober up?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the old dude, Harold J Reynolds
And you’re listening to Less than Jake
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Can we just mute Reynolds?
I remember his “analysis” during the AL playoffs
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
They're gonna take Strasburg....right?
They’re not THAT stupid…right?
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
One could say the same about the 1/1 pick in any draft
And they always wait.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If they want this to be like the NFL (which it looks like they do)
They need to allow trades.
Sign lady must die.
Even a live audience would be nice
But Bud can’t stand to hear people boo bad picks.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Or, more likely, boo him...
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he's had a stroke or two
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
That would just be a horrible pick
Even at 8, I think it’s a horrible pick. He has late first round talent, at best.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
They don't even mention John Olerud
Hrmph
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
75655
That’s a pretty crummy scouting evaluation for someone going #2 overall…
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
We knew it was a train wreck behind Strasburg
as far as top-line talent was concerned
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Really?
If you hit .315/.415/.500 from an average CF that’s pretty damn good.
Tools Whore
Yeah....that was fail right there
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Better access to PEDs in the minors
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Agreed
It’s just all the other team reps politely applauding. I want Nats fans hooting for Strasburg, and Pirates fans booing the hell out of this next pick.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I remember the Knicks fans cheering when they picked Maciej Lampe
I saw him on a subway once. I think that’s the only time I saw him, on TV or otherwise.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Dude, you shut your mouth.
Austin Kearns was a bad ass. It is not his fault or the scouts fault that Ray King is a fat ass and sat on him ruining his shoulder.
Tools Whore
Why did they change the time of the draft?
Do they think there’s an audience like the NFL?
Because Edwin Jackson Matt Joyce asked the commish to change the time
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I really didn't like him either. Nothing about him stands out.
I think his make-up is really good, but other than that, nothing stands out.
Tools Whore
Maybe they know how to evaluate catcher defense.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps. Still seems significantly overrated.
Tools Whore
What about game-calling?
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yeah, I'm just trying to think of potential reasonings.
They do have Dan Fox and Victor Wang in their front office amongst others. If someone is going to figure it out, I’d put them near the top.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, they're the Pirates
They’re the reason BJ is our CF right now
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't draft lazy players
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish it wasn't all yes-men in the studio
Unsurprisingly, they all like the bad pick.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
“if he doesn’t hit, he’s gonna be a great backup.”
Prob not what Pirates fans wanted to hear, but they are probably used to it.
Rays pick prediction
Will be favorably compared to a HOFer in this blog
comments?
Yes, Ryan Doumit/Ryan Garko are HOFers.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, that's who I've compared Tommy Joseph to.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
just playing around RJ
30th pick is a total crapshoot—little interest
The Pirates are a joke
Bryan Bullington, Daniel Moskos, and now Tony Sanchez. The one year they do brake the bank, it’s for the grossly overrated Pedro Alvarez.
Hello.
the Rangers are probably going to get some really good arm at #15
because they’re the Rangers, and they’re not stupid
They'll screw up said arm
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
They're not Rice
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Nolan Ryan might eat more elbows than Wayne Graham. We'll see.
Tools Whore
by Tyler on Jun 9, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Or trade it away
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Taking a cheap first rounder to grab higher upside guys later
Yeah, that strategy has worked before. Punt on the sure-thing pick for a bunch of lottery tickets.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
First year of coverage
They’ll learn from their mistakes
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
You leave him alone, he's a nice man.
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Large dong
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Fine
.240/.338/.454 with 10 HRs in A+. Striking out a ton, but doing fine other than that.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
So is Miguel Cabrera
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Ouch.
ason Churchill:
I’ll never agree with overdrafting and saving money. That’s all I have. Alvarez wasn’t the second-best player last year, Sanchez may not be the 24th best this year, and goes No. 4. Ok.
Keith Law:
If you don’t want a high school pitcher here (Zack Wheeler), and you don’t want to go over slot, who’s the next-best guy? Alex White? I agree with that point, by the way. I had Sanchez 29th on my board. You have to value the catcher pretty highly to pop him 4th.
The Pirates fail at the Draft
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, someone showed up for the draft
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Remember him on TBS last October?
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. For some reason I liked him more when I was a dumb baseball fan.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Worst post-season coverage ever
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 9, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That was FOX
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
That's what made ALCS Game 5 so much worse
Knowing we had at least 1 more game of their bullshit
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe I missed a Upton homerun because of that.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
That did suck
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Well if he's committed to Kennesaw State
I don’t know why you even bother drafting him.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Another bad pick
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I bet he puts up better numbers than Price at Vandy
/ some guy from raysbb a few years ago
// probably Brick’s alt-account
baseball is played on a calculator in your grandmother's basement, not on the field
Brick has like 37 alt accounts on Raysbb
Tools Whore
Not that many
Like 3. Mostly because I forgot the PW on one of them.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If you can find the link
I can confirm or deny. Doesn’t sound like something I would have said though. I did think he’d be a dominant college pitcher though.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
HR: "He's got great stuff"
If by “great stuff” he means finesse lefty, sure.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Banned
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Minor should be taken in the 30s, not the 10s.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish we'd have some real analysis.
I know they can’t but I’d like some.
Tools Whore
That's how it's pronounced
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
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In Cincinnati
They pronounce it Cincinattuh
Just like In Worcester, they pronounce it Wooster.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
And in Boise
They pronounce it Boisuh
And Regina rhymes with Vagina.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
At least Wheeler is eloquent
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Haha, very much so
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 9, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Compensation for the Crow signing debacle
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 9, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
For once I'm glad I'm watching it in class...
Mute FTW.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
OOOH Callis missed a pick
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Good thing you're not a GM
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Leake is going to be a "quick comer"?
Dirty.
Maybe I’m just an old fashioned BJ suck-off-er. (Good call Sandy)
by Lurch's Lobbyists on Jun 9, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions
He should have gone to UMass
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Minutemen
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Hamilton in a Rangers uni too...
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
My heart hurts a lot.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Sexiest commercial ever! I think I just came.
Tools Whore
How come we didn't get a big post commemorating the first non-top 10 pick in Rays history?
We could have revisited all the terrible picks over the years.
Ahem...
96 – Paul Wilder (Out of baseball)
97 – Jason Standridge (Out of baseball)
98 – None
99 – Josh Hamilton (Texas Rangers)
00 – Rocco Baldelli (Boston Red Sox)
01 – Dewon Brazelton (Not in majors)
02 – B.J. Upton (Tampa Bay Rays)
03 – Delmon Young (Minnesota Twins)
04 – Jeff Niemann (Tampa Bay Rays)
05 – Wade Townsend (Tampa Bay AA)
06 – Evan Longoria (Tampa Bay Rays)
07 – David Price (Tampa Bay Rays)
08 – Timothy Beckham (Tampa Bay A)
IIRC
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I miss me some Jace Brewer
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The first half of that list
is a whole lotta fail.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Need to save $$
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I am watching the game and staying in this thread
hopefully some people are watching and say all the guys drafted
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
This is outstanding.
Will Carroll
BP staff
(1112)
NEWThis idea that BP is just about stats is starting to piss me off.
That's fucking hilarious.
So wonder Nate Silver got the fuck out of there. Well, that and he’s probably making decent coin somewhere.
Seriously. Way to ruin the brand that people like Cameron, Click, and Silver made.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
This comment is in the Ghiroli BP Idol thread by the way.
Please, do let her win.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to speak for him.
But I’m pretty sure if they offered, he would do it.
Also, losing Lindbergh hurt them. He had potential.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, there goes Matzek
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
at least he didnt go to Boston or New York
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Okay, the Royals need someone that can...I dunno...hit the baseball
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they wont sign him
at least not for a while
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
There's a rumor that the Royals have a pre-draft deal with him
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
"Los Angelees"
That one I find odd
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
At this point, I'm hoping Scheppers or Gibson
The injuries don’t make me too squamish, and both would go much higher without the injuries.
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Borchering would make me happy too
But I doubt he drops much further
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I've heard he's got guarantees from two teams picking in the next five.
Including Minnesota.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong thread
Fail
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Durrrrr
Rizzo will keep Storen as a reliever. “Quick to the bigs” guy. Yeah, because your team is so close to breaking it big that you need someone who can make it to the majors quickly to get that extra push into the playoffs.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The team reps look bored to death
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
They miss the crowd booing their picks
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He likes to hang out with JP Howell and Big Baby Davis
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I still hope Glen Davis gets raped
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm... class of 02
they mention BOSSMAN first.
awesome.
then greinke.
then prince.
no mention of hamels. awesome
Are there enough pitchers in this draft? jeez
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Marlins have drafted some serious talent lately
Stanton (19 year old already in AA), Dominguez (gold glove 3B who is hitting well) and Skipworth (tons of potential and hes a C)
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Not a Skipworth fan personally
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Skipworth has been underwhelming thus far in his pro career
Wasn’t very good last season and he’s been horrible to start this season.
Hello.
How is James?
brother isnt home, has no idea who his team picked but has teal blood
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
.
Kevin Goldstein (4:45:46 PM PT): DOB (Pittsburgh): Any chance of the Rays scooping Gibson if he slips to them?
KG: Highly doubtful — they’re a tools/upside type of team.
Angels have 2 picks in a rrow also
24 and 25
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
They went to the same store Arizona did
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Except for Strasburg
I agree
2009 Rays Baseball: God Damn It, Guys
by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
what if he really is Mark Prior 2.0?
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Then there is no hope
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I want Tommy Joseph and I think we will take him
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
The thought of that makes me hard
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
ok wrong thread sorry
but so close Reid, so close
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Atter 8 and we still have what 6 picks before us
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
A refreshing change of pace
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
they have another one
must be fun to have 2 in a row
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
well....hes not a pitcher
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
3 AL East teams in a row almost here
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
my man Joseph is still around, plz get him
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I fell in love with his bat, but I'm not sure the Rays like him more than Myers.
That’s just conjecture though.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually I say 50/50
But the reason I love him is the scouting report is “his bat can play anywhere”
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
He's not Posey
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Scheppers this late
Calculated risk
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I hate his arm injuries and I don't want him this early considering who else is on the board.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
This early?
He was a top 10 pick before his arm problems, and he did well in Indy League
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Same problems as Scherzer and Joba
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
ok maybe not EVERY position
but the rest
ok not SS or 2B…..or 3B
moving on……
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
isnt Wheeler gone?
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
i dont think he would have his defense
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
This is where the Yankees take Joseph and depress me
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
That would suck
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by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
they aren't taking him with stassi and myers still available.
i think this means we are taking one of those 2
Myers wants top 10 money.
I don’t know if we’ll do that.
by R.J. Anderson on Jun 9, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
They mentioned Price
2009 Rays Baseball: God Damn It, Guys
by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
The Yanks don’t take someone who dropped.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
money!
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I have the draft on now
I just said I wanted Joseph now I cant decide
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
STREET CLEANING OUT HIS LOCKER!!!111
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
That's trade deadline
Not draft day
2009 Rays Baseball: God Damn It, Guys
by JMB on Jun 9, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
pick is almost here!
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
The Rays picked Josh Gibson
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
The Tampa Bay Negro Rays
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
that's what kaz meant by
pulling a vikings
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jun 9, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Reynolds is drunk, again.
baseball is played on a calculator in your grandmother's basement, not on the field
Who>?>>>
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
DARK
WORLD SERIES 2016
baseball is played on a calculator in your grandmother's basement, not on the field
wait what
dont know who this guy is
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
BPA
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Well, that was a letdown
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I saw we just bring the negro leagues back
That would be pretty sweet
Cousin of Fred McGriff
http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080705/NEWS/845421043&template=printpicart
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I WANT JOSH GIBSON
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I was there...Great version.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8imrzk8y2io
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
My friend took his dad.
He was a little angry after it was revealed that Roger had a “frog in his throat.”
They came back though.
And on Spring Break too!
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's nice that Pete can still play.
He never really get his due as a guitarist. I particularly like the anecdote about how mad he was that Jimi liked Clapton, but sort of ignored him.
Yeah.
Earlier in his career he was definitely a rhythm guy. Now he is pretty damned good at lead too.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Ok
now we need Joseph to slip a lot
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
Washington has a ton of upside
and the Rays do need a 2B of the future. I’m pretty certain he’ll stay at second, at least initially.
Hello.
Ramirez is tall though
This guy is listed at 5’10" and that looks a hair generous
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
hAROLD rEYNOLDS ONCE AGAIN PROVES WHY HE'S A TALKING HEAD AND NOT A gm
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
oops
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
No worries
We will get a catcher when we trade Crawford
Everyone to GDT
im going there, please join me!
Rotation: 1. James Shields 2. Matt Garza 3. David Price 4. Jeff Niemann 5. Andy Sonnanstine...... Coming Soon: Wade Davis......Scott Kazmir?
I'm not sure how the draft chief doesn't reach across the table and smack Reynolds
Now, Reynolds’ brilliant statement is that Scheppers is dropping because he’s not polished enough…
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Thats my only concern
We had a far higher chance of getting Washington with our 2nd pick. Plus we probably could have found similar guys to him.
But who knows? We shall see how this turns out in about 4 or 5 years
Good Presiding skills.
A real field general. Has potential to run the show one day. Uses wood to eat his food. Can be the foundation of the team. Good for the club-house. Huge upside with clarity and foresight to lead the league. Could end up serving two or three terms with the same team.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jun 9, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well
Friedman wants to stack up on gangstas, watch out
We need Robots....The time is now Bud, Stern, and Goodell.
Seriously, Officiating Sucks in this Country
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