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By itself, this isn't interesting. What is however, is that there is finally some revelation around the team's expected attendance this year. They hoped to be around league average (roughly 31k). Right now, they sit at 22,700, which is good for 26th.

Sternberg also implies that he won't be cutting players to save payroll at the cost of being competitive unless they're rebuilding. This gives the implication that players like Scott Kazmir and Carl Crawford are more likely to stick around until the end of their contracts.

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fucking unbelievable

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 10, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

26/30

Get them the fuck out of St. Pete

by Raymondo on Jul 10, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Season's not over yet.

I imagine we’ll see a jump in attendance in the second half.

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't see it

weekday games never sell, no matter what time of year or what place we’re in

Weekend games have done well all year

by Raymondo on Jul 10, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People keep saying this about him.

Raymondo, why don’t you go?

Jeter Sucks.

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 10, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has always said 'I have my reasons' or something along those lines

So I’m guessing either medical condition, lack or transportation, or a trespass warrant. If It’s either of the first two I will gladly offer to take him to a game just to actually give him a little credibility when he bitches.

by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 10, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine how annoying he will be during a game

He is bad enough on the interwebz

Swav or Die
For the lulz

by SRQman on Jul 10, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe he'll be quiet

instead of talking about things he doesn’t know. I went to the 1200 game against toronto and the place was PACKED. Didn’t make sense because kids were only at the party deck and left field.

by El Rayhawk on Jul 11, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Good thing we have 21 weekend games left vs. 18 weekday games. With 8 of those 18 against NYY or Bos.

by steve-o1285 on Jul 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll definately jump..

Based on time of year, competition, and weekend/weekday.

It just won’t come anywhere near that projection.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TGN1 had a good thought about attendance.

People look at it like the W-L record, yet all the underlying metrics, the merchandise, TV ratings, etc. are up, which is like the peripheral stats to attendance. The Rays aren’t stupid, they aren’t just looking at how many people go to games against the Royals.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 10, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I truly believe you're right

If fannies in the seats were the answer, why are all the new stadiums lower in capacity?

by Raymondo on Jul 10, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're charging more for seats and suites in new stadiums, and having to use fewer resources and less staff.

So net revenues are usually higher.

They could build bigger stadiums, but the staff employment costs hit diminishing returns when the stadium is half-empty. It’s cheaper to staff a 30,000 seat stadium that only sold 17,000 seats for a game then it is to staff a 38,000 seat stadium when only 17,000 that only sold 17,000 seats for a game.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, and this is a big but

if we had a 50K stadium, we’d sell it out on a few occasions, and thus have a higher yearly attendance

by Raymondo on Jul 10, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This so hard.

I think we’ll see a big boost in obvious attendance later in the season as the W-L record catches up to the third order wins. Hell, last year, I thought we sold out pretty consistently – or close to it – when it became apparent the Rays were going to be in the playoff race in the second half. If average attendance is all ready up, and then gets a big spike for the second half, I think you’d have to consider that a victory for the Rays – without even including improved merchandise and TV ratings.

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's say they average 28K for the remaining 42 dates

that’s 1.1 million, added to the 885K they, have still leaves them short of 2 million

by Raymondo on Jul 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

31k per game was their goal, but falling short of that isn’t a crime. The Bay area is a service-based economy – with a national and global decline in the economy, it’s somewhat shocking that they’d even average 27k per game.

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

I would love to see 1st half #‘s compared to 2nd half from last year. it would have to be similar this year. When it gets to the final stretch and the games have a higher intensity and feel like they mean more it’s gonna go up like BJ’s BA.

Also, I heard a guy from bright house sports say the Rays TV numbers are “thru the roof”. Silverman said yesterday that league average is not an expectaion it’s a goal. They know the viewers are there it’s just getting them to the park.

by RivalsTees on Jul 10, 2009 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree. I've tried to search for ratings data. I try every week, but turn up junk.

Still – it costs less than $10/game for a 6-game pack. That’s couch cushion money. There is just not an excuse.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 10, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For lazy pieces of shit like you and me, it's not.

I went Wednesday night with 9 dollar tickets, a flask of rum, and a $6 dollar coke.

For the family of four, it’s a little different.

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

Roughly $32 for tix; if you get a hot dog and a soda a piece, its, what? $48 more? Where else are you going to get that kind of value anymore? $80 for ~3 hours of good ole American entuhtainment AND a very good chance at watching a great ballclub get a win. This offense is worth the price of admission alone. It’s probably more expensive to go see the Tale of Desperaux in theatres.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 10, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

if they actually did, we'd be having a different conversation

i mostly see pinellas county hicks there during the weekday.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 10, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My friend had season tickets on the 3rd base line last.

There was this former Tennessee football player a couple rows in front of us. Quiet guy for the most part, definite redneck, trophy redneck wife (if those exist), obnoxious kid, drove all the way to the games from New Port Richey – pretty much every home game. Anyway, seemed like a nice enough guy, we’d talk to him pretty regularly, until one day he turns and goes,“Say, what do you think about interracial marriages?”

My Friend: Um, I’m cool with them.
Hick: I fuckin’ hate them. My daughter married one of those niggers – haven’t talked to them since.
My Friend: …. oh.

He redeemed himself when his kid came in a Jeter uniform during the Yankees series late in the year and he mocked his own kid relentlessly as the Rays were winning.

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trophy Redneck wife = sister

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all likelihood.

Though, I mean, if my sister looked like that…

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you have to by 3 cokes

At least the kids shut the fuck up on the ride home.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 10, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised by the projection

It has to be posturing… There is no way they could have thought they’d average 31 million. That’s about 85% capacity on average.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

31 Million would have to be some kind of record

I, agree, that they set the bar higher so that there is still something to build on next year.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 10, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

31,000 you mean?

And I almost agree. The current ownership has shown a tendency to underestimate. 31k seems like a reasonable estimate, which by nature, is unlike them. I would have figured they would have estimated closer to 26-27k.

That being said, at this point the average attendance this year is dangerously close to last year’s total. The Rays shouldn’t have to rely on a playoff push to bring attendance up for last year’s defending AL champions. Not that I really have much room to complain about it, I haven’t been to a game all year.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, 31 thousand...

And 31 thousand is a bit unreasonable, especially considering they have access to season ticket numbers as well.

I haven’t had a chance to look, but I don’t think the numbers are really that close to last year. The average may be, but that doesn’t account for opponent, day, and time of the year. The end of the season will draw more, so will games against the Yankees and Red Sox.

by tallyray on Jul 10, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why not?

do you live far?

by RivalsTees on Jul 10, 2009 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I warned you, I didn't ban you.

And I did that to make you refresh the thread.

And I don’t want to go to games with you. I’m not gay.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UFC 100 trumps rainbow unis

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry, UFC 100 trumps rainbow unis + smash mouth

If it were rainbow unis by themselves, or rainbow unis + not an awful act, maybe this is different.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like going alone to weekeday games.

Buy a TBT Party Deck seat and go sit behind home plate.

Jeter Sucks.

by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 10, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But for free you could have watched Friday Night Fights with Matt Godfrey and Shawzzzzzzzzzzz

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by Brickhaus on Jul 11, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can watch a PPV with no cable?

Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
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by Brickhaus on Jul 11, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't watch Friday Night Fights without Cable

Cable is not free, therefore I refuse to pay to watch commercials. I like boxing by the way as long as it isn’t the hype and only the fight.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 11, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't watch a PPV without cable either, I'm not sure where you're going with this.

Either way, watched it at Winghouse, like I do with any $50 event.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does the general public know...

how reasonable the cost to go to a game is? Free parking in the main lot with 4 people, $5 and a free shuttle if that lot is full (which is very easy and quicks), food and water can be brought into the games, $10 gets you tix between the bases in the Upper deck.

It seems like every time I read something about this topic people are saying that it cost their family of four like $150 for the game. Obviously it can cost that, but it seems as though many are not aware of these family-friendly conveniences, and that you can attend a game for the same or less than the cost of a movie.

And with our home w/l record, it’s almost always an entertaining and exciting outing for a family (Phillies series opener excluded!)

by spidurfan on Jul 10, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It seems like every time I read something about this topic people are saying that it cost their family of four like $150 for the game.

You’re sure as hell not reading that here. As a matter of fact, I haven’t seen this argument used at all in the last 3 years or so.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not here

but I hear people bitching about the cost at the games. Of course people on here would know , my point was the general public, the casual fan, which is who you need to get attendance in this market up to league average.

And I’m not sure what it means that no one in their right mind has a family of four…I guess that makes me crazy as I’ve got a family of five.

I’m jsut saying if more Mom’s and Dad’s knew how affordable it was, maybe more would go. It seems like most people don’t know this information.

by spidurfan on Jul 10, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm talking about the general public too.

Like, nobody makes this argument. You don’t see it in the Times or the Tribune, you don’t see it on local newscasts. The only people who make an argument that might resemble this are people who are blaming the economy for not being able to go to a game themselves. The only people who might actually bitch about the price are those who wouldn’t go to a Rays game no matter what, and haven’t even bothered researching it.

Bitching about price is something I’ve seen quite a lot of when pertaining to Bucs games, so I do know the difference.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

I read the Tribune online and have seen it more than once this season. But I live in Ft. Myers so I can’t speak to the TV newscasts. As a season ticket holder I can tell you that at the games I hear complaining regularly, not to mention the puzzling looks from people who are suprised when you pull food or water out of your bag that was brought from outside.

And to my point, I did not know that they would have discounted food at the game yesterday until I got there. You would think they would communicate that stuff better. That was my bigger point, people think it is “expensive”, and maybe it’s because folks don’t know what they can do.

I don’t really want to argue, just tossing in my two cents as a Dad who hears and sees what other Dads at the games are saying.

by spidurfan on Jul 10, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and I'm not trying to argue with you so to speak; really not much to argue about.

I was trying to get around to where you were gathering this POV from, I figured you’d have something to cite. Saying it’s from people at the games is what I was looking for.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just an observation

it’s an observation. When I hear “I won’t do this again” at the games, because of the cost, it makes me wonder if more first timers knew about the things you can do, they would show up.

that was more the point than people complaining – that the team does not make known to the casual fan the cost saving options that are available.

by spidurfan on Jul 10, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if TV ratings are great, pump up the ads during the game, radio ads are cheap right now

A partnership on a billboard between Tropicana and the Rays would look good somewhere on the Tampa side of 275 and the Frankenmonster

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 10, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was kind of my point

OR, trade for better relievers and more people would show??

by spidurfan on Jul 10, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't wait until we trade Dan Wheeler for a attendance.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

DAMMIT

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Suck it Trebek

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 10, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo, rec'd

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 10, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose.

To your credit, I was not aware of any beer or hot-dog specials. Not that it would really compel ME to go to a game, but my friends who are baseball fans, unlike me, are poor. It might help if they knew.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, Not poor != Rich

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

whatever

you’re only a mod because you foot the server costs and keep rj hydrated and energized with plenty of vitamin water 10 and fruity oaty bars.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 10, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

We drink Perrier. Vitamin water is for creatins.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FANCY.

MANY AMERICAN MONIES FOR FIZZ.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 10, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They don't advertise!

Last year I went on a Friday and they had $2 Dos Equis in the party deck! I never saw it advertised! I don’t know if the still do it or not. Thats the kind of thing to get people motivated to go. kids get in free, beer specials, hot dog.. people love a special.

by RivalsTees on Jul 10, 2009 4:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking as a college aged white male, the Trop and Rays games are a fantastic bargain.

Again, I don’t know what it’s like for a family of four. I know when I go with a friend of mine, his dad and his brother, the little brother devours like $20 dollars of complete shit while we’re there. But, if I were the dad? BACK HAND TO THE FACE. YOU TAKE YOUR 6$ HOT DOG AND 6$ SODA AND LIKE IT.

by Suttree on Jul 10, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course Stu has to say this

He’d be retarded (or Vince Naimoli) to say otherwise. Even if he DOES want to have a fire sale, you don’t tell people in advance, otherwise you won’t get anything good in return. It just kills your negotiating position. I’m sure Stu told people this all the time when he was on the trading floor at Goldman many many moons ago. “Yeah, we’re willing to hold onto this because I think it’s a good long term investment”, while the salespeople are trying like crazy to sell sell sell.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 10, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a good point; but if he fire-saled, he's also scorching all of the fan good will he's built up the last couple of years.

I really don’t think he would do so anyway. Also note that it is stipulated that he wouldn’t do it during the season and it’s only implied that he won’t do it during the offseason.

Though I hate to admit it, I still think he tries to move CC during the offseason, and honestly if Kaz rebounds for the rest of the year, he’d be stupid to not try to do the same with him.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 10, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would moving Craw be the end of the world?

All good things must come to an end and if that end involves raping an org, well hand me my codpiece and lets go to work.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 11, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving craw wouldn't be the end of the world.

But me agreeing with it flies right in the face of the delusions I had when I created my sig.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 14, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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