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Garza and Upton? If not Garza or Upton?

So many things are vs. each other these days.  I'm pretty sure it all started with Alien vs. Predator. But not long after that you have Freddy vs. Jasons, then your Britney vs. Kfeds, your Cat vs. Dogs, and most recently Monsters vs. Aliens.

As you know, draysbay has a favorite vs.: Edwin vs. Sonny (and more recently its ugly little siblings: Edwin vs. Neimann; Edwin vs. Price; Edwin vs Jesus.)

Something I have been thinking about a lot lately: Instead of speculating on what we should have done last year; lets use some wild cogitation and, if your willing to add any, a few numbers, to decide what should we do in the next two years.

By my reckoning Matt Garza and BJ Upton are the two players most urgent and important to extend. My apologies to Howell, Bartlett, and Zobrist. (Deductive reasoning have me bidding a tearful farewell to Pena and CC by 2011.)
With both Garza and Upton coming up on arbitration years in 2010, can we work out an extension for both before they get to pricey? I hope so, but If not, who is more important to this team, and who do we make a priority?

WARP vs. Salary expectations:
Using years past and a bit of guesswork, Garza averages out being worth between 2.2 and 2.5 wins a season goinf forward.  Upton is closer to 3.8 - 4 wins above replacement (and almost 6 above Mets new savior,Jeff Francoeur). Can you imagine if he wasn't so freaking lazy?

When you remove salary considerations, the player you want to keep right now is Upton. But since we are not the Yanks, Sox, or Angels, and signing the best players despite salary is not an option, it would be helpful to know what there respective agents might be requesting on a per annum basis.  Very limited research on my part has come up fruitless, so if anyone has any numbers regarding negotiations throw them in here and lets start the discussion.

WARP vs. our actual replacements:
Upton Replacements: Jennings, F Perez, Ruggiano maybe Joyce with meh feilding. How many wins above replacement can one of these player give us in CF? I don't know enough about baseball to speculate, but my hopes are for Jennings to continue developing power and patience and be a possible 2 WAR guy (if not to replace Upton then to replace Crawford.)

Garza Replacements: Favorites Davis, Hellickson, Neimann, Sonnenstein (long shot McGee). If Davis takes Neimann's spot next year after hitting the bullpen in September call ups this year, then its up to Neimann and Sonny to take over here.

I feel a lot better with Garza every 5 days that one of these guys, but I start feeling better if we are slotting them at 4 or 5 iwhen Price starts bring a third pitch and moves up.

Trade/Supplemental Pick Value:
What will each be able to get in their last arb year via trade? How many sandwich picks are they worth if we are having a good year and we want to hold on to them through the playoff?

If your argumentative juices are flowing and you don't want to waist them on Jackson, i'ld love to discuss....

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Garza's having a sort of odd season

I think, when his homeruns slide down to 2008 and 2007 levels, his tRA and FIP will improve. Everything else points to the same guy from last year. And he’s always a threat to throw a no-hitter.

That said, I’d rather take BJ. He’s a special player.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 11, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ecks vs. Sever?

Garza should be easier and more cost effective to extend. BJ’s price tag will be representative of his potential while Garza’s should be more in line with his current production.

I’d rather have BJ but I see Garza being much more likely.

Maybe they can ink Garza to a Shields like extension in the offseason.

by tallyray on Jul 11, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If Garza doesn't finish with a FIP near or below 4 this year, then I wouldn't mind moving him sometime soon.

His current FIP 4.30 – or last year’s 4.14 – is a very good #3, borderline #2 starter. If his reputation – great stuff, five pitches, ALCS MVP – exceeds his actual performance, moving him for good pieces isn’t a terrible idea.

by Suttree on Jul 11, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BRAD ZIEGLAR IS CLEARING OUT HIS LOCKER!!!

Actually, that would be super badass.

by Suttree on Jul 11, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have him

Start in New Yankee Stadium??

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 11, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I take the pitcher.

If it is even. If hes a catcher or ss thats another story.

"What the hell is a Labradoddle?"

by davelrogers on Jul 11, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yunesky anyone?

Na…leave him to the Royals. Another piece to the puzzle that wasn’t missing that piece in the first place. I’d hate to be a Royal’s fan right now with all the imcompetency in the FO

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Jul 11, 2009 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait your website is porn.

I can’t help but think you are using the site for some reason.

"What the hell is a Labradoddle?"

by davelrogers on Jul 11, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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