#25: David Price, LHP, Tampa Bay: 0.2 WAR
The adjustment from bullpen playoff hero to front of the rotation starter has been rougher than planned, as Price's command has been miserable this season, but he's still showed ace-in-the-making stuff. Once he gets a little more confidence in his change-up, watch out. The major league contract he signed as the top pick in the draft makes him more expensive than most pitchers with his service time level, but he's still a remarkably big bargain, and he won't be eligible for free agency until after 2015.
#21: B.J. Upton, CF, Tampa Bay: 1.8 WAR
Pretty soon, we might just have to label Upton a tease. He has all the skills, and after a dominating October, he looked poised for a huge year. Instead, he's regressed a bit, and at 25-years-old, we're still waiting for him to put it all together. Even with the .239 batting average, he does enough other things (especially on defense) to be valuable, but he could be so much more than the +4 win player that he is now. With arbitration coming this winter, and the Rays depth of outfield talent, it will be interesting to see how patient Tampa is with him.
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I think everybody's just sick of BJ being the one chick from American Beauty.
God damned tease. Kevin Spacey should have hit that shit anyway.
THEY CALL ME THE SEEKER
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
B/C HE WAS LAZY IN REHAB
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 16, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's tough to quantify..
And he had such poor power numbers last year that it would almost be a year and a half argument.
The trend is to claim 2007 as the outlier and these past two years as his performance level.
I agree with that...
But I watch him on a daily basis. Going just off stats, the ’07 season and ’08 playoffs stick out.
I'm not talking about you...
All this is referring to your original comment asking why everyone ignores his injury. Most people don’t get to watch a player on a daily basis or don’t follow the ins and outs of every injury. Most analysts are looking just at his stats and it appears his power is gone.
In 2008, he was swinging with one arm. In 2009, he has, so far, been figuring out how to swing with two again.
How is this such a tough concept?
So long, Sweet Lime!
I for one thought June was a glimpse of what we might see
on a regular basis, but July has been awful
Upton’s a tough call
Is he worthy of a multi year deal that buys at least his 1st year of free agency or the tease the post suggests?
Even if 2008 is ultimately his bat, that makes him a valuable player mixed with his +15 defense.
4-5 year deal in accordance with that talent level and he outperforms that? Even better.
If all he does is hold serve, 239/320 the rest of the year
he needs to be replaced
I love this website
and have told RJ as such many times
What don’t you agree with about my statement?
There isn't a remote chance, barring a nuclear bomb exploding within his shoulder, that he finishes the year with a 239 BA.
If he consistently puts up his 2008 season, 270/380/400 and plays +15 defense, is that a disappointment? Yes, but it’s still a good player.
Less than 800 OPS OFers, don't impress me
look i’m hoping for the best, let’s wait and see
Seperate corner and center.
And realize that Carl Crawford is more valuable than Adam Dunn almost every season.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
There is, in my view, a singular theme behind DRB: processes over results
The post of yours which I responded to ignored the former completely, despite exact processes being cited in this thread. He’s been injured or in the recovery process for 18 months. Do you just throw away his entire baseball life of being exceptional in favor of whatever argument suits your adversarial mood?
So long, Sweet Lime!
Yes, we should ignore the 4-5 win seasons and replace him with a nice white player who runs really hard.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't you write something at FG about Brett Gardner being underappreciated...?
;p
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That was Dave.
I wrote about Stan Musial.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Uh, depends on the price.
It always depends on the price. I’d sign Willie Aybar to a multi-year deal buying out five years of free agency if the price was right.
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Yes.
If he’s asking for free agent market value, tough.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And...
It isn’t a measure of potential or worth going forward; it is a measure of value up to this point.
And FIP is very friendly to a low BB, low HR pitcher
but does it take into consideration his LD%, that usually are base hits?
David Price has an awful walk rate.
Walks are bad. Ergo.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
RJ, i'd take Price over Sowers seven days a week and twice on Sunday
but when i get flashed these stats, i like to balance them out a bit
Huh????
The adjustment from bullpen playoff hero to front of the rotation starter has been rougher than planned, as Price’s command has been miserable this season, but he’s still showed ace-in-the-making stuff. Once he gets a little more confidence in his change-up, watch out. The major league contract he signed as the top pick in the draft makes him more expensive than most pitchers with his service time level, but he’s still a remarkably big bargain, and he won’t be eligible for free agency until after 2015.
I don't understand what your point is.
Price has been worth less than Sowers because so far he’s been worse at pitching. Going forward, that’s not likely to be the case. WAR is telling us that so far, he hasn’t been good. We cannot use 10 starts of WAR and nothing else for predictive purposes.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't get why we're in this argument
I agreed with the thread, suggesting Upton might be a tease, and that i guess is not allowed
At least troll better.
http://www.draysbay.com/2009/7/16/951475/25-david-price-lhp-tampa-bay-0-2#18278080
This subthread had nothing do to with Upton.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You call this trolling? I call it a good debate
what fun is a site, if we all blow every Rays player?
I don't think that's the point at all.
If you look above, I agreed with you – there’s a chance Upton is a tease… but based upon his all ready established MLB levels of success, he’ll still be a good player barring a catastrophe – just not a Hall of Fame type player, despite his tool shed. The problem is when you say things like,“If he doesn’t improve on his 230 batting average..” Of course he’s going to improve on that! It’s impossible for him not to unless he gets hit the head and suffers a loss of brain functionality.
He was a 4.5 win player the last two years.
He’s been worth 1.8 so far, so he’s going to finish near 3.5-4 most likely. 4 win center fielders are nice. People love to point out the flaws in Upton’s game, but he’s already pretty damn good.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Also: he's what, 25? So he should only get better as long as he's here.
And he’s here for less than free agent market value.
Desmond might be our centerfielder in three years and play just as well as B.J., but I would advise against taking his talent for granted.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I agree, I'm just defending the viewpoint that BJ may not live up to his ceiling.
Which is absolutely fine, because based upon his all ready established MLB playing level, he’s a damned good player.
Not to mention that he is one of the funnest players in baseball to watch.
When was the last time you saw someone take hom on a throw to first?
Saw somewhere he was AL player of the Month for June
Is that true? I must have missed it
Kap-rilla???
Did i or did i not say this?
‘if he holds serve on his 239/320 he needs to be replaced’?
And I'm saying there have only been 4 more valuable CF's despite his service game
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You did, which a ridiculous thing to say, because again - barring a lobotomy -
there is no chance a player who just the year before was a 4 win player finishes the season with a 240 batting average. The simple law of averages prevent this from happening. The entire history of baseball prevents this from happening. Arguing that point is not only inane, it’s insane.
How about this?
If he finishes the season with a BA above .250 then I get to mock you whenever I want for being a tool. If he doesn’t then you get to.
That doesn't seem fair.
There are far worse trolls on this site than Raymondo.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
He is the one that trolls the least trolly and I can’t just ignore. He’s not an actual troll, but he is more annoying because of it. I am glad he’s still here, though.
At least he shows up on a nearly daily basis and isn't hit and run.
And he’s not posting “Will this team even finish .500?” in every thread. He’s gone soft.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
There is an sure amount of isolated statements that
when put together equals circle talk from him in this thread. Thats the worst type of trolling
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I never get the impression he believes the outlandish things.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the funny thing is, i love Upton, and have stated
the day he leaves for the Yankees will be a sad one
What about the White Sox
where his work ethic would be appreciated.
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Natinals
Close to his hometown and he could go see his parents whenever he wants. Strasburg, Harper, Upton sounds pretty good up the middle.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
You're baiting me aren't you. I hate you.
Tools Whore
Your mother wishes she had an abortion.
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That would've been less bloody than what Strasburg's
Elbow looks like in two years.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My life - Stasburg's career = 0
Because they’re the same?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say for 2010
if that trend would continue, then you pull the plug
Even if an outlier occurs and it happens, it means absolutely nothing.
He’s 25/26 next year, players don’t lose skill that quickly.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
How many former players that had Upton's surgery have stated, in plain Internet English, that it takes about half the season to achieve full recovery?
So long, Sweet Lime!
If Price dies he may need to be replaced.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
You don't debate, though.
You never are clear in what you are “debating.” You’d rather skirt around with innuendos and the like so you can hide behind your veil of ambiguity. I have no problem with you disagreeing, but THE WAY you disagree is chock full of intellectual dishonesty.
Wait, I was just in another thread where someone complained there wasn't enough blowing of Rays players.
Which is it? I’m confused. RJ, can we please have a widget in the sidebar that tells me how much I’m supposed to blow Rays players on any given day?
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 16, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You don't like baseball in general.
Just spreadsheets and excel files.
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As bad as he was at the plate his WAR (measuring 2009 to date, not projections) has him at the #5 AL centerfielder
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Adam Jones, Byrd, Sweeney, Cabrera, Ellsbury, Sizemore, Francisco and Wells
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Sizemore hurt, Sweeny replaced
Cabrera and Francisco part time
I'm not sure what your point is, honestly.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
You are letting plasticman outroll you. Shame.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you're distracted. Go do something that gets you fired up, like performing the opening monologue to Annie Hall before your Beanie Baby collection
So long, Sweet Lime!
Raymondo hates it when you retort to his trollings on pot
He don’t cotton to the artificial stimulation.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Can't you troll in my Jennings thread? NEED MORE COMMENTS
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No you can't.
You might THINK a stat means something, maybe because you don’t understand it or someone’s pulling the wool over your eyes, but stats don’t lie, people do. If you deal with them properly (which is really damn tough to do) then you get proper conclusions most of the time.
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i miss my mom after comments like this
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by Buc Wild on Jul 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You can make stats say anything
the point is to look at them the way they were meant to be used. If i go 1 for 1 in a game, we could say I’m a better hitter than anyone in MLB history, but that’s taking it out of context.
Common sense people.
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You don't think the front office even evaluates something like that?
Regardless of their current interest in trading him.
This isn't the same question you were asking.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
We could get a lot of things.
The issue is what are we looking for? We could probably get Halladay for him (or come close).
Nobody on this site, the place you asked that question, would know what we could definitely get for him.
None of us are in the front office daily or know what GMs are willing to give up. Do you not understand this?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
RAY GIRLS, 3 AT A TIME!
Especially the curly haired one with glasses. You have to take a hedge clipper to clean the shit up between her legs.
Ugh... I know
I have a GF of nearly 4 years. The kicker: she lives in NC still, and I live in DC which is the young, pretty, preppy, rich white girl capital of the free world.
They may or may not.
The issue is trying to figure a fictional package for a player we have no incentive to trade. It’s the definition of an exercise in futility.
Wouldn't work. We'd just talk about baseball.
Tools Whore
So did Communism. But these things don't form.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Mine was so much better than that Q&D, amateur-job.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't be bitter
You just don’t know how to stir up the LCD, it’ll come don’t worry.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Raymondo
In a clear concise paragraph, explain why Upton’s current service game would need to be replaced. Explain why you don’t credit him as hurt but others you do.
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Please not the challenge went unasnwered
Circle talk is free to continue
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Random aside.
I love how many people here are so gung-ho about trading great players if the return and situation merit it.
And then there are Pirate fans who are bemoaning the potential loss of Jack Wilson, who’s gone soon anyways, and will never have any bearing on whether the team makes the playoffs or not.
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Pirate fans are desperate.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Price's .2 WAR
expected or unexpected at this point?
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Uh, completely unexpected.
I figured one or two really bad starts, and then a lot of 5 innings, 8 strikeout, 3-4 walk games, not shittiness.
Unexpected and not going to last.
Once the walk rate drops, he’s a new man.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
His performance has been the biggest disappointment this year
Although his underlying numbers are showing serious improvement.
Kazmir wasn't pitching that well at the end of last year
So his performance wasn’t totally unexpected. I think most of us expected Price to do pretty well.
Although both guys, and Sonny, have pitched better than what their numbers indicate.
I seem to remember him doing pretty well in a certain ALCS game 5
If only the bullpen had held out, perhaps he would have hoisted an MVP instead of the The Garz
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Well obviously thats a small sample
Kaz hasn’t sucked every single game since the ASG last year. His performance from the ASG to the end of last year wasn’t exactly stellar.
He wasn't horrible down the stretch last year and into the playoffs.
Once the finish line was in sight he was throwing sliders again, elbow be damned. If we are going to use injuries as an excuse for Beej, then that same hand has to be extended to Kaz who has gutted it out with a hurt wing.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are arguing degrees.
He wasn’t horrible, but he wasn’t great either. Matthan’s just saying Kaz’s performance has been as shocking because of the injuries and what not, where as Price has no such excuse.
Most projections had Price as a 4.50 FIP, similar ERA type pitcher with high walk rates and decent k rates
Hmm
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I had Price, Niemann, and Hammel at 4.5 FIP each.
Let me run the average of the three real quick.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Check out the Chone preseason projections
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's FIP Based on Chone pre-season, with k/9 & B/9 after
Shields 3.72 7.02 1.80
Kazmir 3.68 9.78 3.75
Sonnanstine 4.05 5.95 1.90
Garza 4.11 6.70 3.16
Price 4.59 6.72 3.87
Niemann 4.85 6.91 3.78
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Actuals in same order
Shields 3.71 6.28 1.81
Kazmir 5.45 7.26 4.79
Sonnanstine 5.11 5.51 2.42
Garza 4.28 7.94 3.50
Price 5.18 9.61 6.34
Niemann 4.51 5.18 3.86
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I was just continuuing the thread it wasn't meant as a reply
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
you son of a bitch
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll just sum this up
Upton’s career so far has been a disappointment. By that I mean he hasn’t reached the potential he has at this age. So in comparison to his potential it as been a disapointment. Of course dominating in the playoffs gives him quite a bit of rope. In comparison to other CFers Upton is not a disappointment. Sure he isn’t as good as we thought he’d be by now, but he is still one of the best CFers in the game. You don’t replace or talk about replacing one of the best players at his position because he isn’t as good as you thought he could be.
Why has Upton not be as good as we thought he’d be? Well this is pure speculation. Of course we’d have to put injury near the top. Then perhaps changing positions and being rushed through the system. Then perhaps his personality and approach at the plate.
Over time those factors will become less and less of an influence. If injury is the main cause for his less than what we’d expected performance then we should see a major spike in his performance at some point. If it isn’t then perhaps this is what BJ Upton is: a very good CFer.
I imagine I would be too
if the last taste of success I had was snuffed out by a man slower than a quadrapalegic beating a throw home.
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This, not until kericr starts it
This was supposed to be his moment
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Shhh. Is your leg ulcer hurting yet?
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
That FanPost went down DRB's memory hole.
Along with bgfour and that teabag photoshop in the SRQ thread.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He emailed Erik again.
Guy really is annoying for someone who hates this site.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Also: we only hid the teabag photoshop.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't hide it from my memory.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure those set of testes look just like the other 200 you've seen.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a lot of dick.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
good to know you've tried though
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by Buc Wild on Jul 16, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's used to focusing on only one at a time.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
RJ has some pretty impressive dick spreadsheets.
They have all the DickFX calculations and everything.
I'll rec for now, but I'll rec again if we can see that chart superimposed on one
of the SRQ game pics
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I can do it on the napkin later.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure it's used daily.
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by Buc Wild on Jul 16, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
thought I was wasting my time with this thread but now I’m glad I kept reading. Made me lol.
by save_the_trop on Jul 16, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
These were on SRQ's shoulder.
I can’t process that shit man.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
bgfour still lives on in spirit with his Fanposts
the unkowninsider’s collective genius has been lost though.
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damn
i had this long post about my favorite authors and then the thread vaporized
So long, Sweet Lime!
I imagine he wore an onion on his belt.
I believe it was the style at the time.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah so you're from Brooksville.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Article idea: total team WAR using only players born in the Bay area
Joyce, Span, Litsch, Figgins, Sheff, Kevin Cash, i know I’m forgetting more.
So long, Sweet Lime!
McGriff, Pineilla, Martinez
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
i mean active
an all time list would be sick, probably the best for one metro area
So long, Sweet Lime!
I was in her Marine Biology class when he was in the World Series.
Her class was easy and she like me, so I never had a problem with her.
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It was eays.
She hated me, though. Me and all my stoner friends had it right after lunch. Needless to say we weren’t the most enjoyable bunch to teach. I think I had her the same year. Weird.
Yeah, she was a bitch if she didn't like you.
I had her first period so I was barely awake.
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AJ Pierzinski (unfortunately)
Does Brooksville count?
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That explains a lot about that doucheknob
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't Brandon Backe from the area?
He’s still a stud right?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 16, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Or you know you could check here
http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/FL_born.shtml
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
T.J. Tucker! Wow.
I took pitching lessons from him while he was in rehab for Tommy John or something.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Since you're new here, you should read the guidelines about grammar.
We don’t need a half dozen exclamation marks.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Kenny Rogers went to Brandon didn't he?
Sam Militello?
Plant City if I'm not mistaken. Could be wrong though.
My dad coached him his freshman year in football in Plant City, but that was back when they had Junior High, so he still could have gone to high schools in Brandon.
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Just looked it up, he did go to Plant City High.
Tools Whore
I knew it was one of the two...
Jody Reed went to Brandon.
I may be the most important person to ever graduate Bloomingdale. That's sad.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 16, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
There was the tall, skinny white kid that went to Illinois for basketball.
Smith was his last name, I think. Also, a girlfriend of mine went there. No big deal.
Nick Smith, 7 footer?
I played against him in the Tampa Bay Club Sports Men’s League.
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I had a few friends that went to Bloomingdale
Whenever they saw Nick Smith in that one Big Dance they would just laugh their asses off.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I owned him in a game.
Dude was terrible. He was 7 feet and could shoot, though.
disclaimer*****
By owned I mean went for like 15-10 while holding him to less. I did not drop like 30 on him.
Yea, he can defintely shoot, but so uncomfortable underneath
He should own the boards in a local yokel rec league and score at will in the paint. He did neither. He was probably the 3rd best rebounder on his team. Of course, we were the worst rebounding team in the league, champs nonetheless.
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 17, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Apparently rglass is our resident giant
DRB strikes me as a bunch of Lilliputians (all 5’9 of myself included)
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 17, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Minus the Crawford thread, few threads go 200-300 comments on topic.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Attendance, SRQ, Stadium, EJax, etc.....
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Whether Edwin is in attendance when SRQ is in the same stadium.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Well of course Edwin was at the home run derby.
Who do you think warmed the hitters up?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 16, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
RJ runs Deadspin?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 16, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Something like that.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 16, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how I got attacked by asking about a trade, when the linked article is called "trade values"
I just noticed that:)
WINDS UP FREEZORILLA AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WANTS TO VENT THEIR FRUSTRATIONS ON THE INTERNET BECAUSE THEY HATE THEIR LIVESARRRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
Do I come off as angry and miserable? Wow, you have the wrong guy
I just think its funny that for consecutive days, Raymondo has been talking in one sentence circles that when put together make no logical sense, and you act outraged that people challenge his opinion(s). DRB only needs one patent attorney looking out for his client.
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*he also doesn't reply to something that is damning*
raymondo runs away
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 16, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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You made the comment about me: believe me, I’m not trying to seriously insult you. I’m kidding around. I don’t know why you made the comment about me… maybe I should be flattered?
W Raymondo, just let him talk or ask questions. Really, it makes more sense to do that than to go after him. What is the point otherwise? Sometimes brining up alternate points of view is very helpful, even if the argument is not great. That’s all I’ve said.
And when I ask questions, I often get a runaround or people take offense that—GASP—I’m asking questions because I think you guys might have some good answers!
Fair enough
Your question deal w/ RJ is that issue. I just thought the Raymondo defense was odd. He clearly was trolling given his lack of answers to my questions
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