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American League East Roundtable Part One

All of the ALE blogs on SBN have gotten together for a little exchange. Check out part one after the jump.

Big thanks to Pinstripe Alley, Camden Chat, Bluebird Banter, Over the Monster, and Beyond the Boxscore (Sky moderated each roundtable).

Star-divide

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): What surprising story lines from the first half of the season have shaped the standings the most?

R.J. Anderson (DRaysBay): The Rays ferocious offense and lackadaisical starting pitching. Nobody expected Scott Kazmir, Andy Sonnanstine, and probably even David Price to struggle this much.

Tom Dakers (Bluebird Banter): For us, injuries to starting pitchers. 7 pitchers that have started for us are injured at the moment and 2 others have spent time on the DL.

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): For all the Jays pitching injuries, it seems every piece of spaghetti has stuck to the wall.

Daniel Hugo (Bluebird Banter): It's true. The injuries have really given the Jays a chance to showcase their pitching depth. Not all the replacement starts have been great, but by and large the pitchers called up from the minors have done a tremendous job.

Stacey Long (Camden Chat): There have been plenty of surprises in Baltimore this year, but given the overall ineptitude of the team they've hardly shaped the standings. I think the offensive outburst by the Blue Jays to start the year was the most surprising thing to me in the East. I mean, Aaron Hill and Marco Scutaro aren't bad players, but really? They've come back to earth now but the fact that the Jays were in first place for nearly two months is mind boggling.

Tom Dakers (Bluebird Banter): Hill and Scutaro were balanced out by our two best offensive players from last year (Vernon Wells and Alex Rios) forgetting how to use their bats. Wells might be pulling out of it. Rios, not so much. But nothing good is going to happen unless we go a little while between pitcher injuries.

Stacey Long (Camden Chat): Fair point about Rios and Wells but the fact remains I couldn't have imagined the Blue Jays putting up the run totals they did before the season started. It seemed like every time I looked at the scoreboard in the first part of the season the Jays were tossing up a ton of runs. Of course, playing outside the division for such a long stretch helped.

Travis Goldman (Pinstripe Alley): How good Brett Gardner has been. We knew he could run and play D, but his batting line has made him (to this point) one of the best CFers in the game. Yes, you read that right. He's been the ninth best this season, ahead of guys like BJ Upton, Adam Jones and Jacoby Ellsbury. We would've been happy with just steals and defense, but his impressive batting line of .287/.360/.416 is what's propelling him that high.

On the other side, Chien Ming-Wang has been dreadful. That also has been a surprise. Despite coming off a serious injury, we expected at least league average innings from him. Instead we've gotten one of the worst stretches in MLB history. He's on the DL for the second time this year. Is it the injuries, or has he forgotten how to pitch?

Randy Booth (Over The Monster): I guess there really isn't any surprising story lines anymore. The biggest story line at the beginning of the season was the mysterious case of David Ortiz, but since then he's figured things out (7 HR in June, 3 so far in July).

The lack of a real shortstop is a story line, but it certainly isn't anything surprising when you have injury-prone Jed Lowrie slotted in as the starter and Julio Lugo as a backup. However, with that said, the greatest surprise has been Nick Green, a journeyman middle infielder that has never really had any success -- until this year. Green's average has dropped to .262 recently, but the Sox are 39-18 when he starts and, despite his horrid defense, he's been a great addition.

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): Which of those surprises are most likely to continue throughout the rest of the season? I.e. which are flukes and which are for real?

Travis Goldman (Pinstripe Alley): Of the two aforementioned Yankee story-lines, the one I most believe in is Gardner. There's no reason for his speed and D to drop off, and his batting line, while surprising, is far from exceptional. I can definitely see him continuing it. As for Wang, I just don't see him coming off another injury having a good second half.

Daniel Hugo (Bluebird Banter): I do think there will be a dropoff from Marco Scutaro and, at least in power output, from Aaron Hill (more doubles, less home runs), though I do think Hill is for real (Scutaro is such an unusual case I honestly don't know what to think). One player I think could keep it up is Ricky Romero - before this season, J.P. Ricciardi was a laughingstock in Toronto for drafting Romero, but Ricky put together a great half season and I think there's every reason to think he can continue to be at least a very solid mid-rotation arm going forward - if he can avoid the rash of serious injuries that have plagued Toronto's young pitchers. Though Romero has gotten a bit lucky with runners left on and could see a little regression in his ERA (it's 2.96 at the moment), he is both limiting walks (3.08 BB/9 innings) and missing bats (7.52 K/9) quite well. He has three high-quality pitches and is getting a good amount of ground balls.

Randy Booth (Over The Monster): David Ortiz, if we consider him a "surprise" still, will continue to hit. He's been looking great recently and, to put it simply, you can never get Ortiz out of the limelight. As for Green, it's hard to tell what his future is. Lowrie is set to come off the disabled list soon, so the Red Sox have a decision to make: who's the backup infielder, Lugo or Green? Many think Lugo could be cut soon (because who would trade for him?), leaving the backup job all Green's.

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): Which big local stories aren't getting as much attention from the national media? Should they be?

Stacey Long (Camden Chat): The rookie parade in Baltimore has been exciting, but the national media has only focused on Matt Wieters. He's THE big story, of course, but the fact is in addition to Wieters, the starting LF and 3/5 of the rotation are rookies. Two of those rookies, Nolan Reimold and and Brad Bergesen, have been my happiest surprise this year. Reimold leads rookies in a number of offensive categories and Bergesen has emerged as the team's best starting pitcher.

Should the national media be paying attention? It's hard to say. A favorite past time of O's fans is lamenting the fact that no one notices when the Orioles do well, but the fact is they are currently irrelevant. Hopefully one day soon the Orioles will be splashed all over national news publications and networks, but until they start to actually succeed it's difficult to justify. An article about Reimold, Adam Jones, and Nick Markakis did make the front page of ESPN.com recently, so perhaps our time is finally arriving.

R.J. Anderson (DRaysBay): Attendance, thank heavens ESPN and company aren't harking on that, but the local papers can still turn to it for a quick response.

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): The Orioles are one of two teams to whole-heartedly take the "three center fielders" approach this year. How's that working out, both at the plate and in the field?

Stacey Long (Camden Chat): Before the season started all signs pointed to the Orioles outfield being one of the best defensive trios in the majors. Well I don't know what happened but the defense hasn't been great at all. Nick Markakis, who has always been a defensive asset, has taken a real tumble. His UZR/150 in '08 was 11.1; this year it's -15.9. I have no idea what the difference is with him. His arm seems as strong and accurate as it was last year, but he seems to make bad decisions on plays off the scoreboard or close to the wall. Hopefully it's just an aberration. Nick had a lot of big changes in the off season, getting married in the fall and having his first child during spring training. His offense has been down as well and I'm hoping he's adjusting to a new way of life and will get both sides of his game back on track soon. Adam Jones has had a similar defensive drop this year. He plays too shallow for my tastes and I think it hurts him. Often when he is racing back on a ball of his head he seems to get a bit twisted around. It's different than the effortless gliding you expect from Adam. Luckily his offense has picked up so considerably from last year that it hasn't hurt his overall production as much as it could. It's still disappointing though. The Felix Pie experiment ended quickly and his replacement Nolan Reimold doesn't much fit in with a "three center fielders" philosophy. I'd say the O's outfield defense has been one of the biggest let downs of the season for me.

Randy Booth (Over The Monster): It's hard to say the national media doesn't cover anything at all when the Boston Globe alone has at least four reporters at each and every game. That doesn't even factor in the Herald, Providence Journal, yadda, yadda, yadda. With that said, they do a great job, but it is hard to pick something they haven't already stabbed at at least 10 times already.

One thing worth noting is how great of a job George Kottaras is doing as the backup catcher -- a.k.a. Tim Wakefield's personal catcher. The thing is, no one is hearing his name mentioned. You know why? Because he's doing a good job and when Wake's catcher is doing a good job, you don't hear a peep. But when you start seeing passed balls left and right, that's when you hear about the catcher. Kottaras, though, as a rookie is doing a great job. I don't even care about his .218 batting average. That's good enough to be Wake's backup catcher. The future Red Sox catcher, too? We'll see.

Daniel Hugo (Bluebird Banter): Well, Ricky Romero is starting to draw some accolades for his exceptional performance thus far, and Aaron Hill improbably made the all-star team. Adam Lind didn't, but, being a DH, he wasn't on the initial ballot, and so it was quite impressive just to see him on the final player ballot. To me, the most interesting stories not being told belong to Marco Scutaro and Scott Rolen. GM J.P. Ricciardi traded nothing for Marco Scutaro and then promptly signed him to a dirt-cheap 2-year deal. He, seemingly alone of the GMs of the league, saw Scutaro as a potential everyday shortstop (though not so much so that he didn't also sign David Eckstein prior to last season). And Scutaro has risen to the challenge, walking in 14% of his at-bats and putting up a .355 wOBA out of the leadoff spot. Marco has been incredibly patient (swinging at only 11% of pitches outside the strike zone) and also has 25 doubles already. Who knows if he can keep it up, but it's certainly not a BABIP illusion of the type you often see in 1/2 season outlier results. To top it off, he is playing absolutely exceptional defense at shortstop. For a player to change this significantly at his age isn't unheard of, but it's pretty close.

As for Rolen, he struggled so mightily with injuries last year that it has been great to see him put together such a strong first half. His new swing mechanics, built to compensate for his shoulder injury, have produced a ridiculous number of line drive singles and doubles (he's batting .330 with 26 doubles and a 27.5% line drive rate so far). that have compensated for him hitting just 6 home runs. And he makes highlight reel plays on a daily basis at third base, leading more and more people to suggest that we are seeing a historically good defensive third baseman (though I should point out that UZR has him at only above-average so far this season). Throw in clever baserunning and all that good intangible stuff, to the extent that you care to, and it's clear why he's become such a favourite of Toronto fans and media, and, as yet, a (mostly untold) great comeback story for this season.

Travis Goldman (Pinstripe Alley): I've been thinking about this question for a couple days, but still don't have a good answer. It seems that every Yankee story is a national story, but I suppose the fine play of Francisco Cervelli and Ramiro Pena haven't hit the big-time yet; both filled in for injured players and exceeded expectations. They held their own at the plate and played great defense, something we're not accustomed to seeing from backups. They had to be sent down to when the normal backups returned (and also to get more playing time), but I expect to see them a lot next year as the primary backups.

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): What story lines will we see in the second half of the season that most people aren't expecting?

Randy Booth (Over The Monster): There's a few exciting ones that could crop up. Everyone will be on their heels to see how many bags Jacoby Ellsbury will end up stealing. He has 40 now and is on pace for 76. That may not seem like anything great to some teams, but this is the Red Sox -- they're like dinosaurs on the basepaths. One story line I don't want to see, but we could, is Jed Lowrie going on the DL again. It seems like he can never stay healthy.

Stacey Long (Camden Chat): Instead of getting worse, the Orioles might actually get better. If Chris Tillman is added to the rotation along with Bergesen, Hernandez, Guthrie, and Hill/Berken, it could get exciting. Not to mention the O's offense has not been as good as they can be, and if they can turn it up in the 2nd half, playing Baltimore might not be the cake walk the AL East contenders hope it will be.

Daniel Hugo (Bluebird Banter): I think the Jays will go on a surprising little run, not unlike they did late last season. The rotation has been in a constant state of flux but could benefit from Shaun Marcum's return, which the team has slated for August - a Halladay/Marcum/Romero/Cecil/Scott Richmond et. al. rotation is actually quite good and could string together some wins. The truth is that the Jays have played quite a bit better than their record would indicate and could get even better if the pitching finally stabilizes and Travis Snider makes his way back to the big club -even if he doesn't break out, he'll certainly be better than David Dellucci has been. I was at a Jays-Orioles game this weekend and an O's fan asked me "doesn't having David Dellucci negate the point of even having the DH?"

Travis Goldman (Pinstripe Alley): Johnny Damon. He's having yet another very solid year (in the last year of his contract). He'll try to play every day to show he's durable, but will the Yankees re-sign him, offer him arbitration, or let him walk? It will depend on his second half. Hideki Matsui is also in the last year of his deal, so we're probably about to witness the last 70-odd games of his MLB career (as I expect he'll either retire or return to NPB).

Sky Kalkman (Moderator): How about ending with one bold prediction we won't hold you accountable for if you're wrong, but we'll worship at your feet for if it comes true?

Daniel Hugo (Bluebird Banter): Travis Snider will end the season with 20 major-league home runs.

Randy Booth (Over The Monster): Jason Bay will have a new contract before the end of the season. That doesn't sound very bold, but Red Sox policy is that they do not negotiate contracts during a season.

Stacey Long (Camden Chat): Your 2009 AL RoY will be from the Orioles, but it won't be Matt Wieters. It'll be Brad Bergesen.

Travis Goldman (Pinstripe Alley): Chien Ming-Wang comes back in early August and has a stellar close to the season. A man can dream, can't he?

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SANDY KAZMIR ALERT

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Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 17, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kahrl is technically a chick

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Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now

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Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 17, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes :-)

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

I’ve never even been to Durham.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you're just the O's?

So Greg Zaun for JoeyBW? He’s the next Rocco Baldelli.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, just the O's

I’m about to show you something that will make you desperate to have Gregg Zaun on your team. Are you ready? Here it is: GreggZaun.com

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually saw that posted on here a couple of days ago

Really selling himself there….who was that soccer player who came out with the whole pamphlet to sell himself? Owens?

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Owen.

Michael Owen is a very sad human being.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much.

He’s basically getting paid for the number of goals he scores this year.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. You can be paid and not have to worry about scoring.

See, Robben with Chelsea.
Robbie Keane with Liverpool.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Applies to other sports:

Kidd, Jason
Wallace, Ben

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, I don't follow fake sports.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's Canadian, you know it's keepin it real.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about ice fishing?

What other sport can you drink a case while smoking joints and hopefully feeding your family?

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You could have gone a thousand different ways with that

You could have talked about how Ice Hockey is just soccer with sticks.

You could have talked about how Bret Hart is a wrestler.

Yet, you chose ice fishing.

There’s no hope for you.

GOTO Seacrest—OUT

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bret Hart is a wrestler

The Tampa Screwjob is about to happen to the Yankees.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RING THE DAMM BELL

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's funny that people get so worked up about something that they know

is a complete farce. I used to dig it when I was like 10, and had a resurgence in the late 90’s, but it’s kind of hard to watch at times. Soo cheesy.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, no, no. q

Here’s how most transactions work in the soccer world:

Team A owns the right to the Player. Team B purchases those rights with a transfer fee, then gets to negotiate a new contract with the Player. The Player is paid bi-weekly for the duration of the contract.

Owen left Newcastle on a free transfer (Newcastle gets nothing for him), and only gets paid based on appearances and goals scored. No regular salary.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet, hold people accountable

Ronaldo is out beating up children and going to make sick dough and probably get hurt.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck his spray on tan

It makes him look like a douche. That and everything else about him.

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 17, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ronaldo is criminally overrated.

I’m not saying he isn’t a fantastic talent, but he shouldn’t even been mentioned in the same sentence as Kaka and Gerrard.

It’s like saying Carlos Lee is one of the best players in baseball. Being able to hit the ball is only part of the game.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rush, Fuck and Yes

I’ve been a fan since his rookie season in 1943, too bad he had to go and fight the Nazi’s or he really might have been something.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

how many members there are of Zaunbie Nation.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not many do

Another ZAUN fun fact: he gets his catching helmets specially made with graphics relating to the team he’s playing for. His current helmet has some angry oriole birds, the flag of Maryland, who knows what else. I can only imagine the pictures on his specially made Rays helmet. Palm trees maybe?

He’s such a bad ass. He tagged someone out earlier this year by punching the dude in the head. And he’s actually been hitting pretty well lately, considering how his playing time has been cut by the arrival of our Lord and Savior.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

13

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consider me impressed, it's hard to find someone that can speak so passionately about their

team without sounding like a complete homer, Kudos. Do you see Luke Scott getting spun off with the success of Reimold and competence of Pie?

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

If you don’t want me to sound like a homer, Luke Scott is probably the last person you should ask me about. My love for him is wholly irrational. But I’ll do my best.

Luke is currently having a great season, much better than we hoped. He’s 31 years old so it makes sense to say that the O’s should sell high on him if they can, but I’m just not sure they could get something back that matches the value he provides. He’s relatively cheap and he is still under control for several more years. Obviously with the position the O’s are in, they should be shopping most of their guys and listening to offers on everyone. But we’re getting to the point where the pitching is about to arrive and if you get rid of Luke for prospects, the offense might not be able to keep up with the pitching when it finally gets here. If you can move him for something that is a great need, such as a CI position, you have to do it. But you have to be prepared to lose a LOT of offense.

Reimold started hot when he was called up but has cooled off tons recently. I expect he’ll adjust and rebound accordingly but he’s hardly a sure thing. If you trade Luke I’d imagine you put Reimold in the full time DH slot and let Pie play every day. Even if Pie does reasonably well, he’s still no Luke Scott with the bat. I don’t think it matters how good his defense is, it won’t be enough to match the value from Luke. It’d be a huge risk.

I do want Pie to get more playing time but right now it’s just not happening. Luke has been taking fielding practice at first for months and has filled in there at least once, so in a perfect world I’d rather see Huff traded, Luke moved to first, Reimold to DH, and Pie to the OF. That depends on Luke being at least equal to Huff at first (which, how hard could that be?) I don’t see it happening, but that’s what I’d like.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for putting some thought into this

I can’t really see Reimold at the DH spot, but getting Pie’s glove out there is important. Trading Huff would be a good move (though maybe it should have been done last year as he approached baller status). When do you see all this pitching arriving? I guess Tillman is pretty close and Matusz can’t be far behind, so with Bergesen you now have 3 good young arms. Would it be better to give it another year to control clock or bring them up midway through next season?

Lastly, how good would Adam Dunn look as your DH in 2011? Having such cost control on your pitching staff would give them the liberty to sign a great player like him. Some sort of 3-way platoon with Luke Scott, Reimold, and Dunn at 1B/DH/COF would offensively make up for any defensive limitations, I would think. Again thanks for the back and forth it’s very rare that we get non-trolls from other teams up in this piece.

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh, trolls

Yeah, we deal with them too. Mostly Red Sox trolls, although none of them come from OTM. They all seem to create accounts just to be assholes.

I was desperate for Adam Dunn in the off season. He could have been an Oriole easily, especially when you see where he ended up. The lack of market for Adam Dunn was astounding to me. The dude hits 40 HR and walks 100 times every year and nobody wants him? Especially nobody in the AL where he can be plugged into the DH and you don’t have to worry about him lumbering around in the outfield? It’s absurd. I don’t know if teams were scared off by his strikeouts or some other equally ridiculous notion.

Anyway. As for the pitching, I think it’s going to be a little staggered getting up to the majors, if their development remains on track. Chris Tillman is currently slated to be next on the list and by all accounts we’ll see him later this year. Arrieta is after him and I’d imagine there is a minuscule chance that he comes up in September but it’s much more likely he’ll be given the chance out of ST next year. Matusz is still in AA and it’s the current FO philosophy to allow the youngsters to succeed at every level, when in the past they called up people from AA all the time. Matusz will probably be up sometime in 2010, but not to start the season. I’d say it’ll be late 2010/2011 before all of our big guns are up and ready to go. Of course, at least one of them won’t pan out but there are a number of lesser guys who could take their place hopefully.

That’s where the argument to trade Luke would come in. Yes he is contributing now, yes it’s likely he could contribute next year, but in 2011? Who knows.

I don’t know what the O’s FO ideology on service clocks is with young pitchers. I’m of the thought that they should come up when they’re ready. Pitchers are so injury prone, so risky, so likely to break down or not be effective, just get them up here and worry about the rest later.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't want to DH.

That’s what I heard anyway.

by rglass44 on Jul 17, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that as well

I guess it comes down to what he values most. Do you want to play in the field for the absolute worst team in baseball or DH for another team? Not that the Orioles are great shakes but their future is a lot brighter than the Orioles.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

um

future is brighter than the Nats

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true.

I live in DC now, and it is hilarious to hear stupid Nats fans think they have a brighter future than the O’s.

Yes, Strasburg>>>>Matusz, Tillma, Arrietta, but Detwiller and Zimmerman aren’t as good. I’d also rather have Markakis/Jones than Zimmerman.

by rglass44 on Jul 17, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because Nats fans hate the Orioles

Most used to be Orioles fans and they jumped ship thinking the grass was greener. The Nats had one .500 season and their fans were all on their high horses. I think it’s sour grapes because they realize they should have stuck with the O’s after all.

For the Nats fans that were never O’s fans, I don’t blame them for hating the O’s. Angelos screwed them over good.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

I think its less that the “grass was greener” per se, but rather that they had a team that was closer and was owned by the biggest douche in the world. Most of my family jumped the O’s ship because they had their own team (as DC/NoVa people), and they hated Angelos.

by rglass44 on Jul 17, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

I guess my mind just can’t comprehend jumping ship on my team because another one is closer, so I tend to get judgmental.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I did it to the Braves.

Granted the difference is like 5 hours, and I was 10.

by rglass44 on Jul 17, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think Arrietta is ahead of Matucz?

I’d assumed it was the other way around. Granted I don’t keep that close of an eye on the O’s farmhands, but last I saw Matusz was destroying it. I guess it’s just that his upside is higher, but they may hold off.

by rglass44 on Jul 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the impression we've been given by the FO

I don’t actually think that Arrieta is more ready than Matusz. Matusz is more polished and more of a sure thing, but Arrieta has more time in and is currently in AAA, the last stop. It could all change, of course, especially if Matusz gets called up to AAA this year and dominates. That’s just the current time line.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the sweet mullet isn't it?

It drives the ladies in Baltimore wild.

And the men, too.

by rglass44 on Jul 17, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has a photo in his column

At least I thought he used to? I went back to look and no photo. I thought had had a brown beard. Oh well. I guess I made it up

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 17, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

There’s a dude out there with my name? That’s icky.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong Stacey. And its Montgomery

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 17, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Late

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever. There are no girls on the internet.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correction - No girls that use the internet

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by Buc Wild on Jul 17, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I stand humbled and corrected good sir.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 17, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RJ accounted for about .3% of that exchange

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by Buc Wild on Jul 17, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PUNK MUSIC IS FOR CHILDREN

Type Strong
Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 17, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you know who IS talented live?

SRQman

Gross for an everyday position! (no offense, Kapler)

by B Ray on Jul 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do want to point out an awesome line in that thread
No matter what happens:

Best. Trade Deadline. Ever.

(Simply on the merit that we are buyers for the first time ever.)

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by B Ray on Jul 31, 2008 2:45 PM EDT reply reply actions actions 1 recs

Let’s not forget where it is we come from.

SOSH AUCTION to K ALS

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 17, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At some point you have to actually perform.

When you can’t top a 300 wOBA as a corner outfielder, you’re gonna have trouble staying in the lineup.

Unless you play for Seattle.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still, I think he could be a 20 run defender

and if he is at a .305 wOBA with 2 wins defensively. I’m ok with that.

I just dont know if he is THIS bad offensively. The batted ball rates in limited time are good, and he seemed to be improving his bad K rate in the minors.

by Navi's_Navy on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I think he has a value, but I'm not sure you can completely begrudge them for being frustrated.

If you look at his UZR totals, in the last three year’s in order he’s put up: 20.3, -13.7, 8.6. He’s probably closer to +5 than +15, which is nice, but not something you build around.

by Suttree on Jul 17, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

But it was a really tough situation. Adam Jones. Lou Montanez, and Luke Scott both got injured at the same time. If only one of them had stayed healthy they could have managed. But they didn’t, so they had to call up another outfielder, and that was Nolan Reimold. At the time we all thought Nolan would go back to AAA when everyone got healthy, but he played so well that it wasn’t a realistic option. Reimold stepped up when he got the chance and Pie didn’t.

I will lead these Peoples to the promised land, also known as "Slightly Ahead of the Blue Jays." ~WietersRunDry

by Stacey on Jul 17, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No mention of Zobrist Reej? tsk, tsk

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 17, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I lost track of when it was due.

Hence why I only replied to the first few questions.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 17, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LAZY

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 17, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wang

It’s surprising how badly the Yankees butchered this situation. I’m not absolving Wang from anything – he should know his body and speak up if he doesn’t think things are right. But telling him not to work out after the surgery? Rushing him back for pen duty? Ugh. Actually, he looked quite solid in the Blue Jays game, with the slider snapping and hitting the outside, and the splitter diving like crazy. Not sure how the tired shoulder will impact him, but prior to that occurrence, it seemed like he had gotten over his “spring training” and might be settling in. He had a couple solid enough starts before that.

I think the top storyline (as a fan of a non-AL East squad), individually, has to be Big Ben Zobrist. I loved the trade a few years ago, but more because of Talbot, who has stalled. I don’t think anyone could’ve predicted this for Zobrist.

by toonsterwu on Jul 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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