Josh Fields Whiffs Six Times Against David Price
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 12:54 AM EDT
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Print- The Willy Aybar/second base debate is going to be bloody. To summarize: 1. He's been awful this year. Really poor. 2. He's been average for his career. 3. The larger sample size says average. 4. Is he heftier/slower this year? I don't know.
- Carl Crawford's inside-the-park home run is probably one of my five favorite moments of this season.
- In a year or two, someone is going to ask you if you remember the game where Scott Podsednik beat us. Nobody is going to remember this except for Podsednik himself.
- Jason Bartlett did swing at a ball, but it was a pitch he fouled off, not the final pitch; that ball was over the plate by a fair margin.
Pitchfx of David Price a plenty after the jump.
The movement:
Don't know what that pitch on the far left is? Yeah, neither do I. Now for vertical movement versus velocity:
And horizontal movement versus velocity:
There it is again! It's almost like Price threw a sweeping slider by accident. This pitch was the same that Carlos Quentin singled one.
11% swinging strikes tonight. 6 against Josh Fields. Here's a look at the placement of those:
Yep. Those pitches are basically down the middle; of course they may have broken a ton or went 95 miles per hour, but that's not the point in this visual.
Only two starts, but an update on the "Price is going to stop walking guys soon" post: 52 TBF, 3 BB. That's ~6%. Seasonal: 14.3%
At least that's going our way.
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You have witnessed the excellence of one Josh Fields.
Go forth, and rejoice, for he shall not hit a fastball traveling further than 88 miles in an houre
At least they were mostly strikes.
Better than Miguel Olivo.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Olivo is a solid catcher
we’re talking about a DH hitting 9th
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 21, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I was referencing Olivo's whiff tendencies though.
When he swings and misses, the ball is usually in the dirt.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm referencing the fact that Olivo at least provides defense
And when a player chases pitches in the dirt consistently, it’s frustrating. When a player consistently swings through the most mediocre of fastballs in the zone, it’s kind of sad.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 21, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This is what I get for defending Josh Fields.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
"Olivo provides Defense"
Hahahaha
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
he plays catcher for the Royals
That automatically makes him their best player.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 21, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions
He has the best range of any of their infielders.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Carl is way too fast for that an OF that has Jermaine Dye in it
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Will Upton ever show his form this year?
June was a nice month, but he has not followed that up at all. .236 BA in July, and in his last 10 games has a 14/3 K/BB ratio. It wouldn’t be so bad if he was at least doing some of the little things right, like taking second base when Bartlett attempted to steal third tonight, or not getting picked off and caught stealing in the same game. But I suppose it’s hard to single him out when Longoria isn’t quite back to form, Pena is swinging at everythig in sight, and Pat the Bat still hasn’t found his groove. Although, just like Edwin Jackson had the ‘win’ removed from his name until he could actually win a few games, I don’t think he can be called Pat the Bat until we have consistent evidence that he can use one on a consistent basis. It’s nice that it appeared he was starting to turn the corner, but 7 K’s in the last two games once again gives pause.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 21, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions
B.J. has a .933 OPS the last seven days.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Last 20 games: .803 OPS.
Zobrist’s last 20: .879 for reference.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions
not bad at all
He had a great June and hopefully he can finish off July strong. I really wish he would’ve gone to second when bartlett tried stealing third. papers are criticizing bartlett for trying to steal despite a bad jump, but barely mention if Upton would’ve taken second, then he could’ve scored just as much as Bartlett would have, had he just stayed at second.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 21, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Barty went on his own.
Meaning B.J. would’ve gotten quite the late jump.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions
If Barty is going on his own...
B.J. doesn’t know he is going and most likely isn’t looking at that area of the field and would have had a late jump
Swav or Die
For the lulz
Bartlett got an awful jump, hence why he was thrown out....
Bartlett stole on his own,and BJdidnt get a good jump so he didnt go. It’s funny how Bartlett makes an idiotic play, yet somehow it is still BJ’s fault.
Minnesota just got jewed
hard
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
Wild pitch with Cuddyer on 2nd
A’s park has so much foul room Cuddy heads for home, Suzuki to Wuertz, Cuddyer under the tag but the ump blows it.
I’ll take it.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 21, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He failed to mention that Oakland was down 13-7 when I turned it on possibly more
final 14-13, Min will look to this game as the end of their playoff hopes if they don’t make it
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya think?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
kinda surprising
D Young didn’t swing at that wild pitch, maybe his strike zone judgment is improving
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
And people wonder why this site gets called anti-Semitic.
That’s a pretty offensive phrase you just used there.
I'm not really sure what your problem with me is, but perhaps you would like to spell it out for me
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
as an actual jew
its a fairly offensive term that feeds into stereotypes of us that are (generally) untrue. I can guarantee I am not out to screw you over in any way. You wouldnt write “my house got blacked last night”, or “i got totally Irished at the bar last night”, or “I Latinoed into my neighbor’s yard”. I dont want to be a hardass on this, I’m not one of those people who finds tries to find anti-semitism in anything I see, nor do I think you harbor any hatred towards Jews, nor do I particularly want you to. But it doesnt take much effort to write “screwed” instead.
Thanks for the understanding
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
"That was a great pick...if this was 2002" Me, to guy who selected Barry Zito in a fantasy draft
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by harendaman365 on Jul 21, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm sorry if you took offense
Those are some pretty poor examples of stereotypes if you ask me. As someone that practices no particular religion it is easy for me to forget that others do take their faith very seriously. You should know that I don’t consider screwed and jewed to be synonyms.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
to be clear
I didnt take offense, I have thicker skin than that, but some might not and I was just informing you how some might take it. That said, let’s just get back to discussing baseball. That A’s game was crazy, I woke up this morning and couldn’t believe the score. And the crazy thing? ESPN is totally not gonna say anything about this, even when they practically crap their pants every time the yankees do seomthing like this
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
"That was a great pick...if this was 2002" Me, to guy who selected Barry Zito in a fantasy draft
www.27ClubPeak.blogspot.com
by harendaman365 on Jul 21, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
It was a great game
I agree on ESPN, but the don’t have much credibility in my mind. Minn is owed one for sure.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
hey, hey
even if we did run the world, I would not want to take responsibility for that crap! We wash our hands of ESPN….just like Jesus….
also, on MLB.com, the game only gets a mention in the headlines section for the “fantasy update”, because we all know all baseball fans are like “screw good baseball! what did the yankees do, and what is Justin Morneau doing for my fantasy team!”
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
"That was a great pick...if this was 2002" Me, to guy who selected Barry Zito in a fantasy draft
www.27ClubPeak.blogspot.com
by harendaman365 on Jul 21, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Kericr
I know you want to post it. Don’t ya?
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 21, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
from espn gamecast
M Cuddyer out at home advancing on a Weurtz wild pitch
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions
Hey...hey guys! Cheer up..things could get worse
Ain’t got no water…anywhere
Foods bad…so there!
Got no resources
and a great big stoopa
all because of the Evil King Koopa
Swav or Die
For the lulz
The next Mario reference nets you a month ban.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Balfour's improving periphs and Zobrist's defense tomorrow.
Maybe another catcher post in the works. Scrapped the Navarro post, but do yourself a favor and check out his splits in 3-0 counts versus 1-0 counts. Amusing.
it'll be interesting to see Niemann tomorrow
hasn’t followed up big games all to well…hopefully different results tomorrow…er…tonight
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 21, 2009 1:54 AM EDT reply actions
also just got home from the game tonight
Longo and Zorillas homers were things of beauty and my friend (fellow Rays fanatic) and I got pelted with popcorn and napkins for squealling like little girls as CC rounded the bases afters Pods missed the catch, also if someone could let me know that had a better view of the play, how the hell did Crawford get a CS vs d-bag noodle armed catcher the Soxs have?
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions
well I had to take two trains
i’m staying in the north suburbs, also had to grab some taco bell on the way home.
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Bloomingdale
g/f’s family has a house up here, i’m from SRQ originally so it’s nice to be able to come up and try to catch the Rays vs. the Sox and whoever the Cubs are playing once a year.
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Awwww snaaaaap!
I got family up there. Thought about going to this series, since I was in KC, but was burnt out on traveling and needed to just get home. I try to catch a Bulls game every year. Glad to see another SRQ person. It was so nice to be home.
Swav or Die
For the lulz
Ya I bet it's nice to be back there
but the weathers great (mid 60’s tonight), Sox fans are brutal though for every nice one you meet you’ve got the drunk guy on the subway saying he lives in tampa bay and when questioned further says J-Ville is where he lives in Tampa Bay then starts talking trash about the Rays (only to be reminded about last years playoffs). I don’t want to bash all of them though met a few before the game that knew their Sabr stats and was able to milk a few beers off of them too.
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 2:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Every team has that.
I get annoyed at Rays games at the Trop with what some people say. I only talk back sometimes because I am a quiet person at games or “Grumpy old man”
Swav or Die
For the lulz
The biggest pussy of a roommate I've ever had grew up there
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
To tell you the truth, this night may be the best performance for Pierzynski when it comes to throwing out runners that he's had in a Sox uniform.
Not only did he throw out two good base stealers, but it wasn’t close either time. I was as shocked as you.
by Daniel Berlyn on Jul 21, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
ya, that sounds like the only good answer
I didn’t think CC got the worst jump, but why didn’t we do a double steal?
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
with BJ in the later innings*
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 21, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions
in that scenario there might be more return in trading him right back
I doubt the Jays would accept that… I know you’re talking in principle, but still…
Just another game where three runs wasn't enough
I’m not a huge fan of the QS,6 IP 3 R, but how many do we have??
Got it, 40 is the number
Only BAL (34) has less
It's generally accepted that that is a pretty lousy statistic
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Regarding Aybar
I don’t think he’s much heavier this year. I do think that many people read way too much into a small sample size from last year, and assumed he was a better defender than he is.
by GomesSweetGomes on Jul 21, 2009 8:27 AM EDT reply actions
Eh, the point about one game is right
Using a hall of fame glove anywhere near Aybar’s name in terms of defense, not so much
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what a cocky SOB
i used Omar to show a game like that can happen to anyone
you sound like a freaking blast at a party
I think we need to get that softball game together so Raymondo and FreeZo can drop the gloves.
Bench clearing brawl? That would be faaaaaaaaaantastic.
oh, and R.J., you talk as if there is a wealth of evidence for Aybar defensively at 2B. 278 innings, 86 of which are this year.
If a full season is around 1200 innings… I’m not sold either way
I never mentioned last night, I was just talking about the incredibly small sample of 2B defense we have from Aybar
I still think Aybar is starting to get overrated, but I never implied it with what I said. Also, Aki has more range at second than Aybar does. I think its fair to say that given his 1600 innings at the position
I kind of jumped on you.
My bad. I’m not going to say Aybar’s been some kind of gift from God at 2nd this year, but I do think he gets described in ways that Aki didn’t when Aki made several blunders this year.
I didn't say he had a ton of evidence?
1. He’s been awful this year. Really poor.
2. He’s been average for his career.
3. The larger sample size says average.
4. Is he heftier/slower this year?
I certainly wasn’t inferring it, considering I’ve said you need thousands of innings for the true talent level to shine through.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You could say that about UZR over a year and a half sized sample
It takes a ton of data for it to start making proper judgments.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Aybar certainly seems more like a natural corner infielder
Less range. Bulkier build. Looks uncomortable turning the DP with his step behind the bag. Judging by the increase in his HR/FB rate, there could be some truth to the loss of range as he has developed. I know, I know, Zobrist. Aybar has also had a declining speed score however. RangeRuns above average is down at each of the 3 positions he has played according to UZR though SSS alert.
Aybar is 3rd on the team in infield errors with 6 despite playing in just 189.1 innings. Leader has 8. Here is each players error/inning
Aybar 3.2%
Briggy 1.4%
Aki 1.4%
Longo 1.1%
Barty 1.1%
Pena 1.0%
Zo 0.8%
Combine the errors with range concerns, and I question Aybar’s ability to play 2nd
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Looks uncomortable turning the DP
This is one thing I have noticed as well. However, the footwork isn’t what bothers me. It’s the way he catches the ball. On multiple potential double plays, I’ve seen him catch the ball with his glove underhand (basically like he’s fielding a groundball only around his chest area). Most players are taught in Little League the correct way to position your glove to catch a ball relative to where it is near your body. You can tell it is awkward as he often uses his barehand to kind of force the ball into his glove. I think this is a major reason (along with his footwork) why he is so slow at turing the double play.
by nolesblogger on Jul 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
I am going to tonights game
Hope it is just as exciting, but with the opposite result
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 21, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
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