[My] main nit would be that Cameron probably didn't emphasize strongly enough just how ludicrous Evan Longoria's contract is. Assuming the Rays exercise their 2015 option, for instance, the guy will be making $11 m. Those currently making more include Vicente Padilla, Oliver Perez, Eric Byrnes, Jeff Suppan and Carlos Silva. At least he'll get a fat raise to $11.5 m if they exercise the 2016 option...
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I love how people are just finding out about this now
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
It hasn't been a bad idea from the start
He has peripherals very close to Shields. His hit-rate is high, but look who is playing behind him. Trumpeting up the injury concerns could get them to kick in cash or reduce the asking price.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
His LOB% has been horrific to this point as well you have to figure that would regress nicely with competence behind him
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting...
I hadn’t seen him say we should acquire him (just make derisive jokes about which of our pitchers he’s been better than), but I imagine he could be had for cheap.
Define cheap
Talbot? I would think they’d want a decent arm back.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No idea, but it can't be much.
He’s on a 1 year deal where the money is no issue outside the performance bonuses (based on starts and innings).
Absolutely not.
Plus Talbot is still hurt.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He has via email.
I didn’t realize that most of his money is tied into incentives he won’t reach.
• starts: $0.1M each for 18, 20, 22; $0.2M each for 24, 26, 28; $0.25M for 30; $0.3M for 32; $0.35M each for 33, 34; $0.4M for 35
• innings: $0.1M each for 130, 140, 150; $0.15M each for 160, 170; $0.2M for 180; $0.25M each for 190, 200, 210; $0.3M for 215; $0.4M for 225; $0.5M for 235
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Crossing out the ones he's unlikely to reach.
• starts: $0.1M each for 18, 20, 22; $0.2M each for 24, 26, 28; $0.25M for 30; $0.3M for 32;$0.35M each for 33, 34; $0.4M for 35
• innings: $0.1M each for 130, 140, 150; $0.15M each for 160, 170; $0.2M for 180; $0.25M each for 190, 200, 210;$0.3M for 215; $0.4M for 225; $0.5M for 235
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Would you do Wheeler for Pavano?
Would they?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I would.
Frees up Wheeler’s money and essentially sells high on him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
What use do they have for a reliever?
They’re 13.5 out.
Tools Whore
None.
But they also have every reason to deal Pavano for something.
1. FA at year’s end, but not good enough to get a comp pick.
2. Not a candidate for an extension.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
One would think someone would offer for more.
I mean Wheels is an average BP arm that is likely being over-compensated.
I'm not saying they'd take Wheeler.
They need infield help. I doubt Hughes or Nowak would interest them. Same with Johnson.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
First person to suggest Brignac gets a boxing.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
He fills the same need as when he came here.
A guy to build around that isn’t closer-expensive. Their bullpen is a mess, still.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess with Andy in Durham they don't really have a use for Francisco
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be silly
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Gross for Pavano straight up.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If it involves Gross, I would.
Two cost-controlled seasons of an above average player for a half season of an above average starter with an injury risk and a non-elite and expensive reliever?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I thought you were working off the "Cobb/Gross" package.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why people think this site is anti-religion.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I pray nightly at the 1st Ave. Church of Beejus
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Well yeah.
I don’t even like the Rays.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
is this debate over Carl Pavano the starter?
why in the hell would we want to trade for a starter who isn’t either Halladay (basically an ace) and an top prospect with front of the line starter potential (if we decide to move C.C.). We don’t need to make a deal just to make a deal. Adding a guy like Pavano and no matter who he would replace in the rotation (and I’d even add Davis and Sonny in AAA) isn’t going to make enough of a difference to warrent whomever we give up unless it is 10 bats.
Did you read the thread?
The whole point is that Pavano wouldn’t cost much to acquire or pay. He’s not going to be a Type-B FA and he’s not someone the Indians (or Rays) should extend. He is an upgrade over Niemann for the next few weeks.
It’s not going to happen, but the cost makes it a lot more realistic than Halladay.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What about Niemann or Sonny for Pavano + A prospect
I’m not sure who they have, but someone decent
at what cost though
there are other teams with a more pressing need for another starter. Basically what I’m trying to say is that in a bubble acquiring Pavano would make since, however it reality what makes him so attractive is going to raise his price on the market and whatever that price ends up being it will outweigh how much his worth is over Niemann. At least IMO. If we can get him for Elliot Johnson than hell yea do it, but thats not going to happen.
1. Injury history.
2. 5.13 ERA.
3. Free agent to be.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
those just help my arguement for why we shouldn't give up much for him
maybe I am overestimating his value but if his numbers are near Shields’ like SK said than I imagine teams like the Mets, Phillies, Yankees will be willing to give up more than just a EJ type player.
...What?
“my argument for why we shouldn’t give up much for him”
Nobody, but nobody, is arguing we SHOULD.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm showing why he's cheaper than the other options.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't understand why we would even be looking at SP options
we don’t need new pitchers. We need guys like Kaz, Price, Garza, and in a smaller since because he has done well Shields too pitch to what we expected. Are we going to trade for anyone that has a better chance of outperforming Davis the 2nd half. If we aren’t happy with Niemann than call up Wade ( OT: I did read somewhere that he may start Thursday if Kaz can’t go because of forearm tightness)
I'm writing about Pavano for FG.
I brought him up because Raymondo has mentioned him.
It snowballed, but we’re not serious about going after him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees should make a play for him
They could use a good 5th starter
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Dammit, I missed on Aybar/Hernandez.
tboraysZorilla cleans up for #Rays tonight: Upton 8, Bartlett 6, Longo 5, Zobrist 9, Burrell DH, Aybar 3, Kapler 7, Dillon 4, Navi 2, Niemann 1
The all righty lineup is nasty
Dilldog with 2 dingers
I’m calling it
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 21, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
is there a reason C.C. and Pena aren't starting
I understand giving them days off against lefties but why at the same time, especially with Niemann pitching, he may need all the offense we can get not too mention throwing a line-up without 2 of your all-stars will just put more pressure on him to perform.
Hopefully Niemann doesn't walk too many w Navi behind th plate
Another night w/ 2 or less walks for the price/hernadez duo
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