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by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
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| Pitcher | FIP | xFIP | tRA | tRA* |
| Shields | 3.74 | 4.13 | 4.49 | 4.66 |
| Garza | 4.25 | 4.39 | 5.1 | 4.97 |
| Kazmir | 5.31 | 5.28 | 6.33 | 5.44 |
| Price | 5.04 | 4.73 | 6.03 | 5.09 |
| Niemann | 4.23 | 5.28 | 4.71 | 5.05 |
| Halladay | 2.75 | 2.97 | 3.01 | 3.58 |
| Lee | 3.26 | 4.07 | 3.65 | 4.39 |
Then again, Cliff Lee's record is 6-9. Ew, he's definitely not a good pitcher. Nope. Not at all. He's going to lose almost 20 games for cripes sake! The Indians would be lucky to get a C-level prospect for him.*
Before I'm swamped with Indians fans telling me how stupid I am, this is sarcasm. You can't use FIP/xFIP/tRA/tRA* then turn around and base predictive value on W-L records. It's like dating an Orangutan then deciding you like people better. Once you cross that line, you aren't coming back.
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THROW A KITCHEN SINK AT SHAPIRO; TAKE LEE'S CONTRACT
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Earlier this year you guys offered me Niemann for one of our bums. Mighta been Sowers. Does that offer still stand?
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What's the best predictive value or best evaluation data?
Lee would be the tops on our staff in all categories. He’s due $8MM next year as a club option and then he’s free?
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Not with a 6-9 record he wouldn't
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
lol 69
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Gives up most hits in the mlb
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
He'll give up way less with an actual infield.
So it evens out over 1.5 years.
Remember, rankings are based off the last 2 years only.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee would be such a amazing addition
We cant be stupid but we do have to be willing to trade a lot
Niemann, Brignac, Barnese/Moore/one of our 200 SP spects
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I suspect Moore is pretty close to untouchable internally
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
With a prospect like that, there's just no way to value him properly.
He’s too high risk to give up anything that great for, but he’s too good to give him up for less than a boatload.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Exactly.
He’s a guy that you could end up looking back on and saying “How the hell did we throw that stud in?”
Matt Moore is too good to give up for Cliff Lee
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Chris Mason sat around 90 - 92 at his best
And was right-handed, and never struck out 13/9.
The better comp, I guess, is that he could be Matt Walker, but frankly it seems like Walker just got a bad case of Steve Blass disease.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
If we go for Doc or Lee we need to include Niemann
Simple as that. Niemann has tremendous value with the season he has been having. Putting him in the pen would be bad on all fronts
Offer the Indians
Niemann + Sonny + low level spect for Shoppach and Lee
Offer the Jays
Niemann + Sonny (or maybe Talbot) + Brignac for Doc
Sonny and Talbot are both hurt and probably won't be back by the deadline.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonny probably won't.
Talbot certainly won’t.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Mitch.
He’s just not going to be healthy in time to be dealt.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU HATE HIM AND YOU KNOW IT
and just so you know, he doesnt like you either RJ
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
no way indians do that
They don’t have to trade lee. Getting 2 mid/back end rotation pieces won’t do it.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 22, 2009 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Davis and Niemann.
They get two cost controlled rotation pieces for a guy they likely won’t be able to hold onto after next year. That’s not a bad deal for them.
I wouldn't qualify either of those as even decent starting offers
Need to give up value to get value. Throwing out spare parts isn’t going to do it, unless they’re really good spare parts.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Then Davis + Niemann
Niemann has a potential to be the ALROY. He has been improving greatly. We move him now or he stays in the rotation.
We would be a massive loser in any deal not include Niemann
It is critical to factor in the opportunity cost of moving Niemann to the pen
That is the cost most people are ignoring
I just assume the move would be Price ---> Durham
Or Price back to the pen for a half season.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think Davis + Niemann swings a bit too far in the other direction
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Change Sonny into a B level AA prospect and its a deal
by world dictator on Jul 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, how about this. Throw in a B prospect or else we trade Ben Fransisco to the Red Sox/Yankees
by world dictator on Jul 22, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
What do you guys think about Shapiro dealing Benfran to the next AL East team you guys play?
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Sonny has mono
I’m fine with it
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonny loves those toothless North Carolinians
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
You're a fan of the '03 DRays?
Or 04, those years kind of run together
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Oh we got it
I thought I smelled a lady step into the room, Hi my name is Patrick Kennedy would you want to go out sometime, maybe get a drink or go catch that new Jim Carrey movie?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey guys look! It happened again! By virtue of having girl in my username I get asked out!
You Patrick that the last time this happened it resulted in a marriage that lasted for about an inning of a baseball game. And the guy left me.
I figured y’all probably got it.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
In all fairness his name is actually Sandy and he's really into transsexuals (pre or post op yet to be determined)
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I out myself on an upcoming BTB piece, stay tuned
As for tranny’s, their people too, confused, sad, lonely people, but still people.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
their?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
THE SHOE IS ON THE OTHER FOOT NOW, USER "SANDY KAZMIR"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Luckily I don't believe in shoes
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I believe I have been very clear on this point
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Shhh why fight when we can help make the future a better place
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Based on "y'all" usage...
I’m guessing the Clemson ties are strong.
We don’t take kindly to your… kind…
This is poor form
Go play some nintendo and come back in 10 mins
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If it gets you out of here
Do you still have that hat that you’re wearing in my avatar, I want to dress up like an SS for halloween this year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
When Tommy Bowden was fired? Really? I think I squealed with joy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
Umm did you notice his last name?
Gold
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He was our wooping boy.
Maybe Clemson might actually live up to what their fans think they are. Arguably the most delusional fans in the nation (other than maybe NC State).
No. I don’t think fans can be delusional when everyone else also thinks they’ll be good. But no they will never live up to expectations.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
It’s not their fault the media tells they are every year.
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I know you aren’t. I also have no expectations because that way they can’t disappoint. I do have expectations for basketball though which is probably more dangerous.
Also I obviously have a thing for teams that don’t live up to expectations.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
The basketball team could be very good.
Losing The Ugly One hurts, but the fact that you return your best player is nice. I believe y’all had a pretty good recruiting class this year too.
For as much as I hate Clemson football, I never really minded the basketball team (maybe because Clemson fans are only obnoxious during football season). Although, Pat Conroy maintains that playing in Littlejohn was the worst place he ever played while at the Citadel. A friend’s dad who played football there hated the trips to Clemson. Too many locals that were just rednecks.
They think such things because they have the talent to win the ACC.
They don’t have the coaching.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 22, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe.
They have never done it, though. Clemson’s talent seems to always sputter. I can’t think of a whole lot of NFL talent from Clemson. I can for pretty much every other decent ACC program.
He cries himself to sleep nightly with the knowledge that Wake Forest is a B-rate education
and has a C-rate athletic program
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost applied to Wake. I didn’t like their education program though.
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What education program?
Literally. It’s a minor. You don’t go to Wake for specificity, though, unless you want to work in business.
It was a major when I looked. You apply to it your junior year. That’s the part I didn’t like.
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Hmmm
Weird. Maybe I am misremembering. I do have two friends that are teachers, but one majored in history and the other sociology. Only one actually took any education classes.
Are they high school teachers because that’s different. I was looking at elementary education.
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One teaches HS and the other teaches preschool special ed.
His mom does the same, though, and he used to be an assistant during summers.
No reason to drop 40k a year, though to be a teacher unless you just love the place.
There’s no way I would have paid full price. I don’t mean that in a conceited way just that if I didn’t get a scholarship I wouldn’t have gone. It doesn’t matter now since I changed my major anyway.
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lol
Most people don’t. They’re really good about giving money. I had a lot when I went there. Lost a lot after my first year. Clemson sporting events are more fun, but teh town is WAY worse.
I love downtown! I don’t go far out of the downtown campus area unless I’m going to Greenville for the mall or something.
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If you stay around the campus iit's OK, but outside of that it's far too SC.
Not good SC either (like Charleston/Greenville).
lulz
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
At first I was a bit hesitant, but
Now I’m all in on a Cliff Lee deal. Davis is a stud, but we have other guys in the system (Hellickson namely) that are just as studly.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 22, 2009 1:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agree 100%
My view on this is the same as my view on a Halladay deal.
I’m still 99% sure neither deal would happen given the salary involved
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW,
How’s the movement on Davis’ four-seam fastball been lately? Anyone know?
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Hellickson and Davis are both awesome
Either way, we keep a stud who is in AAA
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
That wasn't my question
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I don't know , I haven't seen him pitch in person this season.
It is tough to judge from watching today, the weather is awful (rain). 6 K’s through four considering is pretty good though.
Indians fan here
First off, yes, we do understand sarcasm.
I think any type of deal you propose would have to start with Davis most likely.
Shapiro has clearly stated that he wants a pitcher in return that can slot into the #2 or #3 spot in a rotation (I have no idea what he’s doing with the #1 spot — perhaps forgoing it altogether.)
Davis fits that bill … Niemann and Sonny probably don’t.
Those guys might make for interesting secondary pieces (1 not both) … along with some low minors types.
Lee would be the perfect addition for the Rays … he slots in nicely at the front of your rotation, and he’s only $9 million next season.
I have to disclaim these things.
The Price-Pujols rumor post taught me that not everyone understand sarcasm.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Understandable … I’m sure there are plenty of Tribe fans out there who don’t.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Please take Raymondo back
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the price of taking Raymondo back is much larger than dealing for Cliff Lee.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And instead of a club option for bgfour
you get a free adult website membership!
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haha
I’ve thought about something along the lines of Bartlett and Niemann/Davis with a high upside arm, would that fall in line with what you guys would want?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
That should read high upside, low arm
if it wasn’t clear
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not real sure how much interest the Indians have in Bartlett.
They’ve finally taken the leap to move Cabrera to shortstop, and he looks to be a good one there.
Plus, Bartlett probably isn’t as cost-controlled as they would like.
Arms are the key to the Tribe right now … that’s why I think any deal would have to start with Davis … and include at least another close to ML-ready piece … or a lower, more projectable arm.
Any position player would probably be a minor leaguer.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for taking the time
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you.
I like these cross-SB Nation debates.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis/Mcgee/Kang enough?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Very close
I’d say … maybe one more fringy prospect and I think you’d be in the ballpark.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You can have one (1) of Mccormick/Rhyne Hughes/Downs or whatever
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Yeah we should do it more often
Make the trolls sit aside while the adults talk for a minute
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Tolerance is a fine line
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Bartlett… I don’t want to trade Lee, but I htink Bartlett and Davis would fit the “blown away” package that I’d want.
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Move dribble back to 2nd, the powerless one over to 3rd and have Barty for 2 arb years isn't a horrific infield
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
But westbrook … would the Indians?
I doubt it.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, you can have him
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Note to westy
I don’t think we should be in favor of a trade that makes the other guys start with, “Haha.”
Steel Nick
Barty's defensive reputation is higher than his actual defense is anymore.
And his bat this season is a BABIP inflated fluke.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
SHUT UP THEY WERE READY TO DEAL
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
would the Indians be more interested in a low level position prospect like Jake Jefferies or Kyeon Kang
or someone at a higher level like John Jaso or Rhyne Hughes?
we’re interested in ml ready pitching as the center piece. Anything else would be unacceptable. As far as secondary pieces, I think we’re flexible on either end.
by world dictator on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Niemann doesn't slot as a #2 or #3
Everything I’ve read says the opposite.
I guess it depends on the rotation where he would slot
I would guess he would slot as a #3 on most rotations and anywhere between 2-4 on almost all.
Yes, McGee would be a nice option as well.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
McGee and his ligaments are two seperate pieces. You could get 2 pitchers and 1 ligament, or 1 pitcher, 1 ligament, and 2 position players
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
errrrrrrr, i mean please go ahead and take mcgree. stud. LEFTY WHO THROWS 98!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
He compliments your training staff nicely
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll trade you our training staff for Sonnanstine.
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Sweet staph infections!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I assumed it was from the cleveland air
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
All your fish have AIDS
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't slow down in East Cleveland or you'll die.
Really though. We have good beer.
Check.
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Underconstruction since 1868!
And on the upside, your entire economy won’t be based on lebron james after next season
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be based on Grady Sizemore's Insurance Bills
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Hey kids look out the window, I bet you'll never see a lake on fire again
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That was like 30 years ago
You guys are gonna make me cry.
And at least people don’t think my city is called Cleveland Bay.
Steel Nick
That's because everywhere you go there are former Cleveland residents exalting its greatness.
Yet for some reason they all left…
At least in St. petersburg we only get flying speaker attacks
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I live in Rochester, NY
Nothing bad you can say about that
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
EL OH EL
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't watch TV
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Fo Real
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Jordan Crawford is available
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not on the D/L right now. Check back in 2 weeks.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Once or twice.
Listen, if you like Rich Harden you’re gonna love Jake McGee
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
from a strickly defensive point of view, who are some of the catching tarkets out there
are any of the Molina’s available
Not a molina
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Not a molina
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
In the future please take the time to read all posts that you reply to. It will add to the conversation and keep things moving.
Yours,
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I think this has to be our first priority
having a better signal caller could help improve the staff, if we add a Lee/Halladay that is just icing on the cake.
If we bench Navi you have to think of the goodwill lost in the hispanic community
They might stop showing up
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Then again
We could change Zaun’s name to something more hispanic?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Zaunarro
Give him a curly mustache and I’m sold
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
What would the potential differences be in a deal
for Doc compared to Lee? Is it enough to make us get away Doc, or could we stomach the extra pieces we have to give up?
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Not having to watch those pieces play in the same division, for one.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a fan of Cliff Lee
he’s a freakin hillbilly and not a fan fav, albeit, he seems to have learned to pitch
Expand on hillbilly.
This could lead to comedy.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
/becomes fan favorite immediately in Tampa.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff "Mike Alstott" Lee
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
They've been looking for a new Alstott
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Hillbilly is a term referring to people who dwell in rural, mountainous areas of the United States, primarily Appalachia and the Ozarks.
Due to its strongly stereotypical connotations, the term is frequently considered derogatory, and so is usually offensive to those Americans of Ozarkan and Appalachian heritage. However, the term is also used in celebration of their culture by mountain people themselves. Such co-opting and neutralizing use is almost exclusively reserved for Appalachian people themselves. Such people consider the term Hillbilly to be a descriptive term lumping all such inhabitants together in a single ethnic group similar to the term Cajun as a description of an uniquely American ethnic group.
Cliff Lee
I know what hillbilly means.
I wanted to know why he thinks Lee is one.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Drinks moonshine from a jug between innings
Post-game eats opossum stew then bangs his sister before bed
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, how do you castrate a hillbilly?
Kick his sister in the jaw
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a punk. Flippant, arrogant punk from AK
he cries when things blow up on him
yes he’s having success, but his stuff is average
I would argue a lot of baseball players are arrogant.
But I was hoping for something with more comedic effect.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps
You could enter a clause into the deal that he can only pitch in overalls with hay in his teeth?
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Now we're talking
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Cotton-Eyed Joe as his warm-up music - EVERY INNING.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Until 7th inning stretch
which is the Deliverance theme
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At Rays games they play cotton-eyed joe during the 7th inning stretch, and film people dancing to it.
But they splice in this bum from the days (2001-2005) when they would let the homeless in for free to get out of the heat. He does a little jig, and the crowd goes nuts
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He was there recently.
They cut to an older, more medicated, and somehow more worn down version of him.
With people in Rays gear in the background? I guess Raysfans travel well
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
There’s a chick with a black rainbow warriors Rays jersey on
by nolesblogger on Jul 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Also
They shoul pay that guy some sort of royalties for using his likeness and image
by nolesblogger on Jul 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You said they stole the video from Camden Yards
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What don't drug dealers love?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I convinced my Mom that he was dead
she almost cried
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It was right after.
I know.
I was there…
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
DURING
Susan and I always have great talks when she tucks me in. Before bed time story of course
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Its awesome
Every game I wonder how many fans don’t know it is recorded. I’m thinking about 75-80%. He throws his at the exact same time every time.
by nolesblogger on Jul 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are alright
:passes jug of wine:
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Have him refer to any dark skinned player as "That boy" and I think we've got a deal.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
He already does this if you go near his burrito
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Amazing
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, not your whipping boy today
Rays won’t trade for Lee anyway, so why the big deal
Shapiro will find another Bavasi
How am I trying to make you my whipping boy?
I didn’t even mention that he’s good. I was just asking why he was thought of as a hillbilly.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably because
He’s from Arkansas. Speaks with a drawl.
Had a run-in with Victor in 2007 during his down season … so that must mean he hates all minorities.
You know, completely logical things.
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I would think the mere fact he battled with Vic would make him an automatic hero in DraysBay!
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
He prefers to yell at people in a dugout until a BBG starts pointing in his face
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't like the guy, ok with you?
i saw him drill Jr with a pitch in the head for no reason
Hitting people name Jr. is a nother hillbilly thing
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He's got FIRE!
We need someone to wake this team up
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreedo
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
People from Appalachia are all descended from Highlanders.
They’re all about trying to take people’s heads off.
Honest.
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CL: I don’t think I’ve read a book in my life, to be honest.
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by nickjs21 on Jul 22, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does looking at pictures in Field and Stream count as a book?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is all about Swank
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
What's the porpoise?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll put a hole in his head like a Dolphin.
Fuck a hole-in-one, I ain’t golfin.
I’ll put his whole unit in a coffin.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I like music that takes thought
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
You cut yourself just to make sure you can still feel something
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I stopped cutting years ago now I just rock the tuckback and listen to
Goodbye Horses
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd say I understood rougly 40% of that sentance
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm at about 89% on yours
trying to figure out what rougly means
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll be honest
I’m not following you son
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Want him so bad
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I can talk to him about our shared love for blowing up abortion clinics
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
1 problem
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Good reason
To not pursue a deal. Lee is too “hillbilly.”
by FallsTribeFan on Jul 22, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a stat that could indicate
Lee’s level of hillbilly? Might need to start tracking that
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Anybody that can steal some dip from Upton is a fan of mine
Beej has to think about his longterm career and having an entire grizzly can in his mouth at once will shorten his life
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
BJ is a man's man...
Cope Snuff. Always there in a pinch
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
It depends on the next 3 games?
Maybe I’m in the minority, but has anyone mentioned the effect of the current and next series. I’d imagine any potential moves will be largely somewhat influenced by how BOS, NYY, and the Rays perform over the next 3-4 days and where we are in relation to WC/AL East. I don’t envision having this discussion if we drop 4 while the other 2 teams roll.
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How does that change anything?
Dropping 2 more GB makes it more likely to get a Lee/Doc type player for when we have to take on the Yanks/Sox later in the year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
it means we're farther back?
It means we’re 5 GB instead of 3 with fewer games to play. Which means more ground to cover and a lower expected playoff appearance. I imagine adding Pitcher X while either 1, 3, or 5 GB would be relatively huge in terms of shifting playoffs odds.
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It's not like we don't control our own destiny still
We have to keep it tight and then win those series at the end.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I've actually always had a problem with this philosophy
because while it’s great we control our own destiny, so does every other team. 5GB, while still reasonably within striking distance, sounds (and is) a lot farther than 3GB. I realize a good run here or there and we’re right back in it, but I don’t necessarily you make decisions based on something that’s relatively out of your contorl.
Look, these are finance guys, it’s all about moving within your industry (AL East) and how you perform relative to your peers. You’re not going to undertake a huge CapEx spend by giving up prospects when the tide is rolling away from you, especially given your strong position and future performance. There’s no incentive to necessarily undertake a huge trade, and the FO has proven they’re more interested in LT success with timed risks.
Trading for the sack of trading probably doesn’t fly well, unless they calculate the gamble’s worth it
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Though it took me longer to articulate what you meant than I had planned, I do generally agree
We have to go 3-2 against the White Sox and the Jays for this to be a 7-3 road trip, our last 10 has been stuck on 7-3 for a while now, if that’s not good enough then adding a guy isn’t going to help much, either way.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
trade for him or hope he gets traded to the NL
2-0 so far against him but I still fear facing him
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
update from Durham (very bad conditions, rain)
Davis 6 innings 2 hits, 1 run (HR), 8 K, 4 BB 96 pitches
STOP WALKING PEOPLE FUCKER
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Stop being fat, antisocial and stupid and we'll talk.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You really are Eric Cartman
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
NO SHE DOESNT. She's sleeping on my pc ^_^
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
You know who walks very little people?
Hellickson and Lee!
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
it stopped raining last inning but it was a downpour for the first 5 innings
the announcers wouldn’t stop bitching about how bad the conditions were and didn’t understand why they didn’t stop it.
It's 4 in 6IP, not 14, sorry if you misread
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
IT’S THE MINORS. Imagine once he faces Mauer and Morneau and runs into a hole in the ground and hides.
Proud Fan of the Worst Baseball Team I've Ever Seen
But he also strikes people out
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
That's the one saving grace about the Rays. At least we play in a weak division
You guys have to win at least 85 games to make the playoffs
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
We'll know in about 3 years
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Lucas Nakandakare
He is a catcher and has an ops of .853 in the GCL. Plus his name is awesome.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
He was a C the year before that
There were just too many catchers in Venezuela last year
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Sounds Asian
No thanks
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Even worse
I heard those “people” wash their hands in urine
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
OH I GET IT
CUZ THEYS BE PEEIN ON THEYS HANDS
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Allow me to apologize
Argentina is not the feces-infested AIDS capitol of the world that I previously made it out to be. Lionel Messi is the leading cause of syphilis in 3rd world communities.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And hes done it all in a shade over 20 years
Oh what potential!
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
He's already outpacing Diego and may go on to be the greatest cocksucker of all time
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Goldclub owns
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Pwned
Had to talk to them after the oral.
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wam.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Patrick wam
was simply telling Dwight how to have a good time.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
But that hook shot is so awesome now
He can almost break a backboard with it111
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 22, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I could see him as a fish tosser demolishing his crew
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Both
He’s Japanese ethnically
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
They also have some White Sox fans
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it seems heaven-sent,
but we ain’t ready for a black president.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't blame me I voted for Alan Keyes
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like he he's trying to keep down a heroin balloon
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wheeler
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Best offer there is
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 22, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Forget the Longo toe clippings
we’ll letyou sniff the finger that got infected from Erin Andrews
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Wade ends with 6.2, 9K, 4BB, 1HR, 3H, 1ER
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I could do without the walks
But still decent.
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 22, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
3 groundouts to 7 flyouts
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
jerking it in the shower
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
WE'RE NOT OUT OF THIS THING UNTIL THE SEASON IS OVER
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You do know they're only 2 games back in a terrible division right?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
They're a horrible team that has outplayed their Pythag by 3 games so far
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
In an eminately winnable division with 0 farm system.
What should they do?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Berkman and Oswalt
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
And Carlos Lee and I would gladly take Hunter Pence
for a few
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would they do that now? They are contending and those players are enough to have a shot at winning that awful division
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well they can stock their system or come in 3rd this year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
They aren't going to stock their system. Ed Wade is their GM.
Those guys have contracts that are too large to bring back huge prospect hauls
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Prospects don't win titles, "TopGunNumba1".
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly what im saying
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The Brewers will run away with it, you have to justify coming in 3rd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
PLAY BALL WITH NOLAN RYAN
southwest.com/nolanryan
Write your 150 word essay to play ball with Nolan Ryan, the Greatest Pitcher Ever
Swav or Die
For the lulz
Dear Nolan Ryan
thank you for punching Robin Ventura in the face.
/contest
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"I enjoy having my arm torn to shreds with pain"
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
R.J., you have to be subtle about it. You can’t say “he sucks” because of his record. You have to say what the moron broadcasters say: “He’s struggled this year.”
Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
Apparently Chris Tillman was scratched from his start and is going to the show.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Didn't he just get lit up like 2 days ago?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, thinking of Troy Patton
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Tillman has done nothing but dominate in Triple-A while Rich Hill and Jason Berken have been dominated with the big league club. Thursday’s off day means that Tillman will be aligned with Hill’s rotation spot, or he can get an extra day of rest and step in for Berken. The call could come as soon as Monday.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Hmmm
I have such mixed emotions here. I want the O’s to succeed just not at the expense of the Rays.
They're playing the Yanks/Sox.
We need them to win right now.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's the Gameday
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2009_07_22_dubaaa_indaaa_1
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I only posted it ironically
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Steel
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved Magic Johnson in all those classic Naked Gun films
Nordberg is the best part
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I always get those guys confused
They look so similar
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously this is bait of some sort, but I can't figure out what
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't Magic Johnson
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
woohoo Durham wins
another save for Thayer, maybe we can throw him into the deal. Future replacement for Kerry Wood
Yeah, he only gave up 3 runs last night
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL He stole that from you.
Did he at least credit your writing?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 22, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
He's usually very good.
He also mentioned FG a few weeks ago. Holla.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 22, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Lulz
BigDogwdae say good night now a-hole. take your know it all ass back to blogsphere and stay there. I must have the lulz
Swav or Die
For the lulz
Jesus Fucking Christ
There are too many new people to DRB in here.
WE USE HEADERS AROUND THESE PARTS, YA DIG!
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions
dig?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 22, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
They're all from the injins site.
It’s gonna be funny when I ban them all for not using headers and create a whole new digital trail of tears as they head back to Let’s Go Tribe.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jul 22, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This actually made me laugh out loud
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I refuse to use those silly things. From what I understand you can blame Jay.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
I believe
that if I expect them to go without the headers at LGT, we should extend the courtesy.
Steel Nick
I don’t expect them to go without them at LGT though so I don’t have to extend the courtesy.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
by ClemsonGirl on Jul 22, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then you should use the subject line. I just let them do whatever if they come over to LGT.
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by ClemsonGirl on Jul 22, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You should post a really gigantic picture without a header
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Men I believe.
Who needs affection when you can have blind hatred?
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