Report: Rays Willing to Include Wade Davis in a Cliff Lee/Victor Martinez Trade
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT
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From Joel Sherman:
--The Rays and Red Sox are both talking to the Indians about deals that would bring them both Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez. Tampa is willing to part with touted pitching prospect Wade Davis. The Red Sox are not quite there yet in willingness to deal Clay Buchholz. Texas and Milwaukee also have eyes for Lee while the Giants are considering Martinez.
Nothing new from that. Sherman also mentions Scott Kazmir could be moved if the Rays are swept by the Yankees, but I would argue that he could be moved if the Rays sweep the Yankees just as easily. Speaking of Rays/Yankees, two notes:
1. Series preview pushed back to tomorrow because of the quality and quantity of posts today.
2. Jonah Keri with an interesting view on Yankees fans and Lee:
What if every local Yankees fan decided to stay away from the Trop, and watch the game at home or at the local bar instead?
Let's do some back-of-the-napkin math here:
50,000 fans staying away over three days x $20 per ticket + $20 for parking, concessions and miscellaneous ($40 all told per person) = $2 million
Cliff Lee's approximate salary, July 31 to the end of the season = $2 million
Boy, I sure hope those visiting Yankee fans don't buy all our delicious food and drinks. Please sirs, don't embarrass us like such.
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All those Yankee fans stayed away last year too
but for a different reason…because they’re front running bastards
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 27, 2009 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 14 recs
YOU WILL BUY OUR HOT DOGS AND BEER
AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
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Call it whatever
But Blue Smoke, Box Frites, Shake Shack >>>>> Checkers and Monstah Lobstah
So long, Sweet Lime!
Do they still have that Pasta/Sandwich place underneath the overhang on the 3rd base side
That place was good, but the line was ridiculous at times
Kap-rilla???
Look at this kid in the comments on MLBTR... what an idiot.
“If the Rays can get done some sort of Martinez/Lee for Wade Davis, Matt Moore, Reid Brignac, Nick Barnese, and Jeremy Hellickson kind of deal, then they’ll immediately become the best team in that division.”
That’s enough for 1.5 Halladays… pfffft.
Why don't we throw in Kaz, Price
and Longo too.
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My favorite
was the one that said we should trade BJ, Briggy, Davis, and Kaz for Halladay. Awesome.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 27, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The MLBTR comment section is generally bad.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive gotten so used to not having to deal with a Sux or Yankees fan for so long
Im really going to hate listening to their bull shit in the next 10 days. Except when we sweep both series
I am starting to hate these rumors.
They get your mind going in all kinds of directions and thinking of how all the scenarios play out. Then you realize its just some baseball writer being used by MLB GM’s as a pawn in a game of high stakes chess.
I am just ready for the deadline to come and know where we stand.
Masturbation is to Sex as Rosterbation is to Trades.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I hope its true we will deal Davis
cant hold on to everyone if you want a ace and a very good hitting C
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I agree I don't mind giving up Davis but I don't like the thought of having to deal any 2 of
Davis, Hellickson, Moore, Brignac.
Davis, Barnese and Brignac works for me
Keep Hellickson and Moore please. Also, keep Jennings
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
True
I dont think Hellickson, Moore, Jennings or Beckham would go in any deal
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Hellickson could go for the right price
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Can we just trade Ruggiano or Sonny or whoever for Greg Zaun right now
and than just focus on getting Lee not Lee and Martinez
if we could get Victor M, that's a HEEEEEEEEYUGE upgrade at catcher.
Zaun’s merely an improvement, not going from basically 0 to an All-Star.
I don't think we need a huge upgrade at Catcher
we need someone that knows how to call a game and handle pitchers. If Michel Hernandez brings better results on the mound than Navi, someone with a history of being good at handling pitchers and has a ton of experience like Zaun will bring a lot more than just his little offensive upgrade.
Martinez hits as well as a 1B.
But, he catches.
This is a ginormous upgrade for us and nearly every team. having a catcher who can hit is a major advantage over almost 20 other MLB teams.
We could also DH him vs RHP. If we want to start a platoon with PTB.
Not saying we should, just an idea.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 27, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
the one thing that really sells me on Martinez would be if we platooned him at first with Pena against lefties
basically
rhp- 1B Pena, c- martinez
lhp- 1B martinez, c-navarro.
because Martinez isn’t going to be able to catch everyday and navi actually hits lhp decently, while Pena not so much.
Lee + Martinez is almost a 3 win upgrade.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that could very well make the difference b/w making the playoffs and not
not to mention the benefit once we get to the post season
I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink WAY too much of it.
by stpetelawyer on Jul 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We'd add about 20% of playoff chances to our belt with them.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly because 25k of those Yankee fans are now Rays fans.
And the rest are spending their money on blow outs and gym memberships and tanning booths and HPV treatment
Not gym memberships
Yankee fans are fat
Plust thats almost 17k a game. Not a chance. I will give them 5-8k and that might be a stretch
Kap-rilla???
what would it take for us to get one of the Texas catchers
they really don’t have a need for both Teagarden and Salty.
instead of a pitching prospect to send to Cleveland what if we worked a deal out Kazmir for one of these guys, if we have to throw in a Barnese or lower level spect do it. While neither is as good as Martinez they are cheaper and I’m guessing we would have them for more years.
essentially Kaz + Barnese (or whoever they want lower level) for C
and than with Cleveland go Davis + a couple lower levels for Lee
If we basically drop this series like an anvil on our toes
Would Kaz+Wade for Neftali Ffffffeliz be inappropriate to imagine?
So long, Sweet Lime!
The comments topped the pitchfx Price posts within 15 minutes.
And some people said they didn’t like rumors being posted?
There's nothing really to say about the Price post.
It was well written and researched, and there’s not a lot of room to debate about it.
It’s much more fun to make up irrational trades and mock Yankee fans when you’re bored at work than it is to scour through fangraphs and Brooks Baseball.
One of the good things about this site is that there's hardly much to say on a lot of the articles
Because they’re so well researched and written.
So long, Sweet Lime!
so's your mother
hello, (step)son.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 27, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haha, no. Also, Crouch isn't a CB, you dip.
Total sales for Toure, Eboue, and Ade – ~50m. Easily find a centre back and a holding midfielder for that money. For three players who will miss significant time this year due to the god damned ACN and 2/3rds of whom SUCK ASS.
So long, Sweet Lime!
It's called sarcasm. Perhaps you've heard of it?
There’s not a chance Arsene actually buys anyone worth a damn – it’ll be the usual excuses of,“Well, we’re trying to get out of debt and develop young players” even though practically none of the Invincibles were raised by the club.
Do either of your teams already have silverware this year? No?
/polishes World Football Challenge trophy
Into the Wall : Sarcasm for the Soccer Guy
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 27, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I've heard of idiot Spurs fans
Yeah, AW will buy. He’s not dumb. This is the last shot his project has at being a success before Cesc goes to Barca for 200 million.
So long, Sweet Lime!
You think Cesc goes next summer?
I sure as hell hope not
by nolesblogger on Jul 27, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If we win nothing this year - yes
But on a better note – Dudu scores twice in a pre-season friendly today. Woo!
So long, Sweet Lime!
I think it would take us winning nothing and missing out on the UCL
but maybe that’s cause I think that is the worst case scenario for us
by nolesblogger on Jul 27, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And as for Eduardo
It’s preseason so who cares? It was awesome to see him score when he came backlast season though. I think Bendtner has a breakout year though.
by nolesblogger on Jul 27, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Well with Woody, Daws, and Deadly
all out, were gonna need that worthless piece of shit back there. Oh wait no we dont
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 27, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And thank God its apparently hit a snag
fuck you Crouch
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 27, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
take note
if you write an article that gets lots of comments. You did a terrible job of writing/researching it
Kap-rilla???
Every article I write at Buc 'Em is pure gold then
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by Buc Wild on Jul 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
My woman is quite pleased
that we can afford an extra fast food meal every month. Straight ballin’
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Well at least it's not off the dollar menu; then again, if you did decide to go cheapskate you might be able to stretch that into 2 meals.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I read Buc'Em daily.
Same with Raw Charge and 3QC.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI RJ - If you get an email about Buc Em
it wasn’t my idea.
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You B writin' for dem soon, dawg.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Negative
I’d do a front page story on both DRB and BE if that was the case. Complete ambush would be fascinating.
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I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
This woke everyone up
I thought it had been a bit slow with the Yanks coming to town
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OT: So the Brewers are talking about Escobar for Washburn.
They’re not that stupid, are they?
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 27, 2009 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
I would hope so.
Even still, I’d still pass. Next year is Hardy’s last under team control.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT WISCONSIN NATIVE!
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 27, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
they wouldn't deal Escobar for Halladay so I doubt they will for Washburn
unless Ichiro is included.
Sucks ass we have this as a weekday series and the Royals on the weekend
It would be 3 straight sellouts if this were the weekend series
more people will show up weekend versus the Royals (because it's the weekend)
than won’t show up vs the Yankees because it’s during the week.
I would think at least
I'll likely be at the games Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, and Saturday.
I’m doing my part to bring Cliff Lee to Tampa Bay.
I'm doing my part also
I’m wearing overalls and I pulled a few teeth to become more hillbilly like
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
High School Reunion + Family coming into town + business trip next week = No Rays for me.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I be throwing up the west siiiiiiide
Tonight, Tuesday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday….
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Aw, come on, we have a lot in common!
We’re both under 5’10.
We’re both stocky (code word for fat).
We’re white males.
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
There is no way we do anything except trade for some middle relief
like last year.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
I'm actually hoping we trade off the middle relief this year
calling Brian Shouse or Randy Choate…. The Cubs really want you.
Shouse Active, Thayer down, Rockies looking for a Loogy.
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 27, 2009 3:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well I wish we traded one to them before sending Thayer down
Dillon lives on……
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Honestly, I think we could've just DFA one of them, but oh well.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
My inside sources tell me that Rays management has asked Thayer to take some time to work on his facial hair; once that's fixed, they'll call him back up.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
If us floating Wade Davis out there is nothing more than getting Boston to part with Buchholz then I'm all for it.
Even if VMart ends up in Boston.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 27, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions
Trade Deadline is 7/31 at what time?
is it something in the middle of the day like 4 PM or end of day (midnight)?
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4
but sometimes you will see a trade slip by a lil late anyway
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
For incorrect reporting see: Chastain, Bill
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jul 27, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair enough
just want to make sure I’m not in a meeting that day during crunch time.
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Well, that's my overall philosophy on any day.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Hm.
Boston Red Sox and Tampa Bay Rays: The Blue Jays have given both teams an idea of what it would take. But while they haven’t ruled it out, trading Halladay within the division is still an option of last resort for the Blue Jays.
I heard about their talks with the Phillies and Angels
It will take TOO much as much as I love Doc
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Drabek sucks. Well not sucks, but he's not that good.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Phillies refused to trade him
and LA OFFERED Weaver, Wood and prospects and Jays said “not enough”
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
PHI has won their division
they probably get back to the WS with what they have, so do they really have a pressing need for Halladay?
Plus he had TJ in the minors
There are very few successful pitchers in the bigs who had TJ surgery in the minors.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
He doesn't k and he doesn't get a ton of groundballs.
Also, he’s in AA. And its not like he has super awesome stuff.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I was just referring to the question of % of A+ pitchers who make it
You need to find comps within A+
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So is Madison Bumgarner a bad prospect?
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Bumgarner is a lefty with super awesome stuff, though.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
And he's 19, Drabek's like 22.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Uh, no
Bad Left Hook - The SB Nation boxing blog
"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Drabek has really, really good stuff.
He’s also 21 not 22. His curve is off the charts and he has a plus fastball to go with that. There are also reports of his change being a solid pitch.
Tools Whore
Drabek's stock has skyrocketed since the Futures Game
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I agree, us trading for Halladay will be a mistake.
I don’t see how it wouldn’t take at least Davis, Hellickson, Brignac considering the offers that have beent thrown around and it is just way too much.
No, let's get Weurtz (sp?)
Trade him for Heath Rollins.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
speaking of cant beat them, join them (Doc)
How about we go after Downs?
Or how about Sherrill?
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I can't imagine too much.
Simply because he’s a reliever.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
That’s 1 more than I thought we would make
I am still scarred about Bay, sorry
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
CODY STRAIT IS CLEANING OUT HIS LOCKER
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
1 DOWN, MORE TO GO!!!!
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 27, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently, we should have $2MM by the end of the week due to NY fans
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Farm-hand. Probably took a hundred bucks at most.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
My goal is to buy a minor leaguer one day.
Then flip him to Japan for twice what I paid.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If you wait long enough
you can buy Navi, and ship him to Japan to be a sumo wrestler. That probably will triple your money
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The price tag will be more than made up for at the gate
GREAT PR MOVE, no one will notice if Deezy gets promoted
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why do you think we are trying to move Kazmir?
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
ed_price#Indians P Winston Abreu gets 3-gm susp. for throwing at #Mariners Jack Hannahan on Sat. Cle mgr Eric Wedge also suspended for tonight’s gm
Wedge suspended?
Calling my bookie . . . money on the Tribe!
by Peepers on Jul 27, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dammit, we could have used that fire in our clubhouse
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 27, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Either one would look great, maybe with some spruce boughs and a table runner.
Don’t forget the apple in the mouth, for the lulz
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 27, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how even the AA guys we trade for are slumping lately
hitting below .200 for the last 10 games.
only Rhyne Hughes is exempt in the Rays organization offensive slumping.
The GCL Rays got one-hit today
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 27, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Red Sox could be making a last minute Halladay play
http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/07/27/could-red-sox-be-jumping-into-roy-halladay-race/
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I don't mean to be dramatic.
But game over if they land him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless we get Lee, right?
Right?
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Halladay negates any positive gain Lee gives us.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 27, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This is good.
Always Sunny is amazing. Greenman FTMFW.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 27, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
OT: I've found our future second baseman
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=3B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=523253
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Yes.
Scouts say his power is not good enough for third. Move him to second to increase his value.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Does he have the glove?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/breaking-down-the-draft-picks-44-49/
Scroll down some
Also talks about Kyle Lobstein.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Source: Rays have identified 3rd team to include in blockbuster deal
THe Lightning have agreed to throw in Vinny Lecavalier to sweeten the deal assuming the team receving him eats his entire contract.
AMazing
3:30pm: According to ESPN.com’s Amy Nelson, Omar Minaya has accused New York Daily News reporter Adam Rubin of lobbying for a player development job with the Mets. Last week Rubin broke the news that Bernazard challenged Mets minor leaguers to a fight. Rubin and Minaya apparently started arguing with one another this afternoon after Minaya made the allegation against the reporter. Bart Hubbuch of the New York Post says it’s “an epic meltdown by Omar Minaya. Just epic.”
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
/trades away Lee/Phillips/Sizemore for Colon
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
and the incomparable Tim Drew
Indians also got Lee Stevens
Rough year for Winston
Winston Abreu has been suspended for three games and manager Eric Wedge for one as a result of their actions in Saturday’s game against the Mariners.
Both were ejected in the ninth inning after Abreu hit Jack Hannahan with a pitch. Abreu, who was also fined an undisclosed amount, has appealed his suspension while Wedge will serve his suspension on Monday.
thats ridiculous
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
Trading Davis
Let’s see…trade Wade Davis, who has never pitched in a MLB game, and may not be better than any of our current starters in a deal for last years Cy Young winner and an All-star catcher…no brainer, you make the deal.
The money the team would save from trading Kaz and possibly Navi, plus Burrell’s contract is up after next year, plus playoff rvenue…would go a long way in being able to resign CC, Lee and V-Mart.
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