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Tampa Bay Rays Have Shopped Scott Kazmir to Rangers, Mets; Willing to Trade Carl Crawford or Carlos Pena to Clear Payroll

Joel Sherman reports:

--The Rangers turned down an offer to bring Scott Kazmir home to Texas. The Rays have shopped Kazmir around a bit, even calling the Mets, who expressed initial interest but nothing more. Tampa is trying to see if they could trade Kazmir, Carlos Pena and in the right blockbuster even Carl Crawford to free up dollars to make a bigger trade. The Rays are most focused on seeing if they can add Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez in one trade, though they continue to call on Halladay, as well.

Things to take from this:

  • Andrew Friedman is as cruel as a school child offering Kazmir to the Mets.
  • The Rays really want Lee and Martinez.
  • Los :(

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If Kaz really wants to stay a Ray . . .

. . . he’ll give up a touchdown in the first tonight

by Peepers on Jul 28, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

NONONONO

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Team-friendly and long-term

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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."

by Brickhaus on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is too much.

Drastically changing the dynamic of the team will hurt more than help. Los and Craw going in the same trade deadline isn’t good. Also they already have game plans that rely heavily on Crawfords speed, defense and run scoring production.

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Jul 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

plus whats a realistic guess of this happening

1%.

We should probably hope they get traded because it means he was blown away by the offer

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

RJ: "Kazmir and Navi dealt to Cleveland for Lee, Sizemore, V-Mart, and a tub of cotton candy and rainbows"

Gone Phishing: “Whaaaa, cotton candy gives me a toothache. This is a horrible move that will ruin the team. We’ll be in last place for 10 more years. Now I’m going to go listen to shitty music.”

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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

% wise for playoffs

It drops how much every day the Rays delay making a move? 1%, 2%?

by Jason Collette on Jul 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Well it matters if we win or lose

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by SRQman on Jul 28, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda sorta

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by SRQman on Jul 28, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's black

so yes, same. next question

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by Buc Wild on Jul 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

If we trade CC

what are the chances of the OF being Upton, Jennings, and Joyce to start next year?

by rays1234 on Jul 28, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pretty high by the end of the year

But probably not to start.

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by Brickhaus on Jul 29, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now everyone say it with me. FIRESALE

to bad no one wants our players

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

We are moving all our large salarys

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

My mom looooooooves a big salary, she'll be thrilled

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by Buc Wild on Jul 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Better Players

with smaller salaries

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't believe we will be able to move anyone but CC

and even then, I doubt that will happen.

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you catch the Giants game last night?

Your source for replacement level commentary

by RATW on Jul 28, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, the pirates are awful

and lincecum is good

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Barry

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by SRQman on Jul 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah barry was in the stands.

my dick got hard

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doc Gooden Good

hopefully with a little more longevity

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Already has more K's then doc in the same time frame

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

but he is just a whittle guy...

…I am pulling for him to be great, but mechanics and lack of treatment suggest otherwise

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whats wrong with his mechanics?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

The giants had a bunch of doctors take a look at his goofy delivery

and they all pretty much agreed, it’s why he has stayed healthy. Apparently, it doesn’t put any wear on his body. Far less wear then a regular delivery.

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lincecum has the best mechanics in the league

and some of the best weve seen in a long time. If anything Lincecum is looking at a longer career than any you pitcher right now because of his mechanics. Its all lower body and there is no wear and tear on his shoulder/elbow/arm. He is basically the opposite of a Mark Prior type.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, until he blown an ACL.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, until he blown an ACL.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im just saying

if he gets injured, i will be completely surprised if it is something to do with his arm, elbow, or shoulder. Now obviously he could hurt his knees, but we havent really seen too many guys that throw like this so who knows, maybe hes destroying his back right now and will be done in 3 years but I highly, highly doubt that.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, if something happens it's probably knee/oblique

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Suprised

The Freak’s special talent lies in his mesmerizing change-of-speed. ESPN notes that Lincecum’s changeup has struck out more batters than any other pitcher’s—by nearly a factor of two:

Tim Lincecum 97
Johan Santana 57
Cole Hamels 41

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said anything was imminent?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I PUT ON; I, UPTON

FOR MY CITY

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 28, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

:(

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh you have to be fucking kidding me.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz072809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The Boston Red Sox have offered at least three players – no-hit pitcher Clay Buchholz(notes), Triple-A pitching prospect Michael Bowden(notes) and top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland – to the Toronto Blue Jays for ace Roy Halladay(notes), according to a source with knowledge of the negotiations. Because the Blue Jays, who are vigorously shopping Marco Scutaro(notes), are also looking for a shortstop, the Red Sox may be trying to draw a third team into negotiations to satisfy Toronto’s need.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Well

that would suck a high hard one.

by BJ the Bossman on Jul 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ouch

That would negate anything that Lee and V-Mart brought us, correct?

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by Buc Wild on Jul 28, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know about that.

It just makes it even more imperative that we add V-Mart and Lee.

by Suttree on Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really see how that can be said..

First, if the Rays got VMart and Lee (of course that’s doubtful) they would be a better team. They would match up better against any team they play. The Red Sox would also get an upgrade, but not as significant as the Rays. Unless you think Halladay when 90% of his starts and Lee 20%.
Still, luck can fall any way. It probably increases the Sox odds, but not as severely as we’re alluding to.

by tallyray on Jul 28, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I would think Lee and VMart replacing Kazmir/Price and Navarro

would have to be a bigger upgrade than Halladay replacing Buchholz, Wakefield or Smoltz

by rays1234 on Jul 28, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't really see how they could refuse that...

And is Bud Smith still referred to as “no-hit pitcher Bud Smith” whenever he does anything in life?

by tallyray on Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Obviously

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure it would be a better deal...

I’d probably take the Sox offer… Though Brignac may swing it.

by tallyray on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

This would be very homosexual

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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

How i see it--don't panic, con't sell the farm on Lee

mamy teams have fallen back after a great season, Tigers, White Sox, Indians for recent examples

Identighy the core, and build on that

Stop trading young pitching

Trade Pena, Aki and some relievers for position prospects

Don’t give up on Kaz—you’d be selling low on him

by Raymondo on Jul 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

OOOOO THE LULZ!!!

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by SRQman on Jul 28, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Everything revolves around gambling with this guy.

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

big week for him

not guilt on a DUI, now crawford…

Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation

by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Duemig plays credence

He is an ultraconservative republican, and listens to credence. Does he even understand the lyrics?

Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay, we're going to go ahead and stop this now.

Suttree hates all Republicans. You, obviously, don’t. We’re leaving it at that.

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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

ReasonableDoubt fancies Russian oligarchs.

Everyone has their, like, opinions, man.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is there a general feeling on this blog about Deumig

He sways back and forth on Sabermetrics (uses them to make his point, ignores them when they disprove them) however he does give you guys pub and generally gives your articles good reviews. To be honest its because of him that I found out about this place.

by jqueipo on Jul 28, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did you cut and paste this?

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Saturday's game soldout.

This is not a baseball town.

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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions  

He's the new Michel McDonald

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Try not to jizz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t90dFkM9acg

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are late.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait it's Daughtry I thought it was the Flo Rida

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by SRQman on Jul 28, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's odd scheduling

Really pushing for a crown for the Royals.

by tallyray on Jul 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

smart

the crowds are going to 2x if not more what they would be on a normal weekday night

by Dbullsfan on Jul 28, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Royals is weekend

cept the awesome Monday Noon game

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by SRQman on Jul 28, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

FUCK.

So much for going to the game.

by Suttree on Jul 28, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sonnanstine pitching tonight

can we please get something for him, I really don’t ever want to see him pitching in a Rays uniform again.

by Dbullsfan on Jul 28, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Why?

He was one of my favorite pitchers last year.

by plasticman on Jul 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Los, Davis, Hellickson, and Kaz for J-Up

all of this wanting Lee/Vmart/Halladay is smoke.

by daveh33 on Jul 28, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Que?

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure how to feel about this

I’m not really comfortable shopping Los, much less CC.

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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

If all this shit was true

Jason Bay would be our RF right now.

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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I am very disapointed it did not go through

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's impossible to tell

It may have given the Rays the WS, but it may have prevented them from winning the ALCS at the same time

by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Until he meets obscure baseball bat-engineer

Delmon Young, a failed collegiate ballplayer turned little league umpire, who teaches him the power of the XKANX bat…

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

...Wheel of Fortune host and notorious connoisseur of dubious strange

Magic Johnson, suddenly revealed to be an enormous, anti-Hispanic robot with AIDS at the command of a secret cabal of AL East GMs hellbent on preventing Carlos from leading the Tampa Bay Marlins to…

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I don't recall...

…Brignac and Neimann carrying us through the playoffs

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rays DH stats in the Playoffs

roughly…
.252 /.333 /.439/ .773

Jason Bay…roughly
.260/ .386/ .548/ .934

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 28, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point.

Manny is the X factor. It’s how much better he was than Bay, we dunno how much, but those 2 games in Boston may have been in Boston’s favor with him and changed the playoff picture.

by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

My question

Why don’t the yankees or sox go nuts and buy both lee and Halladay?

by plasticman on Jul 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Yankees don't have enough to get even one of those two.

The Sox… the Sox like their prospects alot and even though they’re a cash cow, they have a lot of money invested all ready at the MLB level.

by Suttree on Jul 28, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what would get if we dealt Kazmir?

just prospects?or prospect and major leaguer

by thedudeofdudes on Jul 28, 2009 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

does anyone think

if we traded him to the angels we could get Hank Conger?

by thedudeofdudes on Jul 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am concerned.

On one hand, I am kind of turned on by the chick in the Evony ad. On the other…fairly certain that’s a fella.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Still looking at Halladay

Please stop. Jays will try to empty our system. We have too many guys for them to take all of them but they can take the close/sexy ones like Davis, Hellickson, Brignac, Jennnings….

Hope we trade Kaz, maybe Los, I refuse to accept losing CC as much as I love Joyce

1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann

by joeybw on Jul 28, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Lee is better for us anyway

We’d have control over him through 2010

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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not Jennings.

He has to be untouchable at this point IMO

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 28, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

trade pena to atl plzzzzz

i am a rays fan but i am a die hard braves fan and the braves need a big bopper and would be willing to send the rays kotchman and kj for him and some bullpen help

by firebobbycox on Jul 28, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Kotchman would be too much

I mean, it took you guys trading Teix to get him and Los is no Teix.

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.

by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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