Tampa Bay Rays Have Shopped Scott Kazmir to Rangers, Mets; Willing to Trade Carl Crawford or Carlos Pena to Clear Payroll
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT
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Print--The Rangers turned down an offer to bring Scott Kazmir home to Texas. The Rays have shopped Kazmir around a bit, even calling the Mets, who expressed initial interest but nothing more. Tampa is trying to see if they could trade Kazmir, Carlos Pena and in the right blockbuster even Carl Crawford to free up dollars to make a bigger trade. The Rays are most focused on seeing if they can add Cliff Lee and Victor Martinez in one trade, though they continue to call on Halladay, as well.
Things to take from this:
- Andrew Friedman is as cruel as a school child offering Kazmir to the Mets.
- The Rays really want Lee and Martinez.
- Los :(
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Or the Rays really want to make it seem like they really want Lee and Martinez
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by Tommy Rancel on Jul 28, 2009 2:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I can't wait until everyone in this post is traded for relief help
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
The Indians are willing to deal Tomo Ohka in the right package
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But Los is so well educated and he speaks so well, I don't really view him as Dominican
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 28, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
this so hard
we have the pieces, if we can get someone to take Carlos Pena I believe that would clear the needed financial space. Adrian Gonzalez = Mark Teixiera w/out the publicity.
protection may be a myth
but he is surrounded in the SD order by Everth Cabera, Kevin Kouzmanoff, and Kyle Banks.. needless to say he walks a lot and doesn’t see many pitches.
Nobody is saying the Rays are going after him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
nobody ever mentioned the name Carlos Pena until today
I doubt it would happen but the thought of trading Pena opens the door
Los was mentioned in Teixeira talks last deadline.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I meant this year
Kazmir was talked about a lot and even C.C. early but this is first at least i’ve heard Pena’s named mentioned.
Team-friendly and long-term
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
This is too much.
Drastically changing the dynamic of the team will hurt more than help. Los and Craw going in the same trade deadline isn’t good. Also they already have game plans that rely heavily on Crawfords speed, defense and run scoring production.
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
I guess you missed the word "or".
And we have Matt Joyce.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
plus whats a realistic guess of this happening
1%.
We should probably hope they get traded because it means he was blown away by the offer
Kap-rilla???
I hate you so much.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RJ: "Kazmir and Navi dealt to Cleveland for Lee, Sizemore, V-Mart, and a tub of cotton candy and rainbows"
Gone Phishing: “Whaaaa, cotton candy gives me a toothache. This is a horrible move that will ruin the team. We’ll be in last place for 10 more years. Now I’m going to go listen to shitty music.”
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We wouldn't need the cotton candy if Kaz is leaving
Kap-rilla???
by Sveet on Jul 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is this give up?
I’m as frustrated by Los as anyone, but doesn’t it minimize the impact of Martinez by subtracting Pena? Then we still have to look at Navi.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it hilarious
that Friedman called up the Mets about Kaz. I love that.
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He probably just wanted to have a good laugh.
Maybe he put Chuck on the line for a conference call with Omar.
Why does ESPN always use footage at the Trop when showing players?
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
If we trade CC
what are the chances of the OF being Upton, Jennings, and Joyce to start next year?
Pretty high by the end of the year
But probably not to start.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Now everyone say it with me. FIRESALE
to bad no one wants our players
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
We are moving all our large salarys
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My mom looooooooves a big salary, she'll be thrilled
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Better Players
with smaller salaries
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I honestly don't believe we will be able to move anyone but CC
and even then, I doubt that will happen.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, the pirates are awful
and lincecum is good
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah barry was in the stands.
my dick got hard
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Doc Gooden Good
hopefully with a little more longevity
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Already has more K's then doc in the same time frame
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
but he is just a whittle guy...
…I am pulling for him to be great, but mechanics and lack of treatment suggest otherwise
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Whats wrong with his mechanics?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
The giants had a bunch of doctors take a look at his goofy delivery
and they all pretty much agreed, it’s why he has stayed healthy. Apparently, it doesn’t put any wear on his body. Far less wear then a regular delivery.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Lincecum has the best mechanics in the league
and some of the best weve seen in a long time. If anything Lincecum is looking at a longer career than any you pitcher right now because of his mechanics. Its all lower body and there is no wear and tear on his shoulder/elbow/arm. He is basically the opposite of a Mark Prior type.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, until he blown an ACL.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well, until he blown an ACL.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Im just saying
if he gets injured, i will be completely surprised if it is something to do with his arm, elbow, or shoulder. Now obviously he could hurt his knees, but we havent really seen too many guys that throw like this so who knows, maybe hes destroying his back right now and will be done in 3 years but I highly, highly doubt that.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed, if something happens it's probably knee/oblique
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Not Suprised
The Freak’s special talent lies in his mesmerizing change-of-speed. ESPN notes that Lincecum’s changeup has struck out more batters than any other pitcher’s—by nearly a factor of two:
Tim Lincecum 97
Johan Santana 57
Cole Hamels 41
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Who said anything was imminent?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I PUT ON; I, UPTON
FOR MY CITY
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Are we the most active SBN MLB community? I always see those opposing team links in the related links section and they never have the comment totals DRB gets.
So long, Sweet Lime!
LL, AN, and probably Bleed Cubbie Blue get more I'd guess.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Athletcs Nation
Who recently purged anyone with an IQ north of 100.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t forget lsb either
I am suprised to see less interaction with the rangers fans here
JD’s like, "you want some fucking pitching? Here’s all the pitching you can stand. Now choke on it, bitches!"- RCCook
by laxtonto on Jul 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On Lee and Martinez--it won't happen
Look at where Shaporo has traded anyone of note in the last two years, and what do they have in common?
Franklin Gutierrez.
One of the best CFers in the game.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
it's good to know that the Yankees are getting serious about winning something
Bronson arroyo is dominant…….
Yes!
Arroyo is simply there because they have no one else
he’ll never see a playoff roster
He should never see a roster.
The Yankees can do better.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh you have to be fucking kidding me.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-tradebuzz072809&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
The Boston Red Sox have offered at least three players – no-hit pitcher Clay Buchholz(notes), Triple-A pitching prospect Michael Bowden(notes) and top outfield prospect Ryan Westmoreland – to the Toronto Blue Jays for ace Roy Halladay(notes), according to a source with knowledge of the negotiations. Because the Blue Jays, who are vigorously shopping Marco Scutaro(notes), are also looking for a shortstop, the Red Sox may be trying to draw a third team into negotiations to satisfy Toronto’s need.
Well
that would suck a high hard one.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 28, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch
That would negate anything that Lee and V-Mart brought us, correct?
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Yeah, the gig's up this year if they get Halladay.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Halladay's a 2 win player for the second half, right?
And Lee’s about 1.5, V-Mart about 1-0.5?
In that case, wouldn’t we just be moving pieces without actually changing the equation?
I don't really see how that can be said..
First, if the Rays got VMart and Lee (of course that’s doubtful) they would be a better team. They would match up better against any team they play. The Red Sox would also get an upgrade, but not as significant as the Rays. Unless you think Halladay when 90% of his starts and Lee 20%.
Still, luck can fall any way. It probably increases the Sox odds, but not as severely as we’re alluding to.
Yeah, I would think Lee and VMart replacing Kazmir/Price and Navarro
would have to be a bigger upgrade than Halladay replacing Buchholz, Wakefield or Smoltz
I don't really see how they could refuse that...
And is Bud Smith still referred to as “no-hit pitcher Bud Smith” whenever he does anything in life?
Obviously
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I'm not sure it would be a better deal...
I’d probably take the Sox offer… Though Brignac may swing it.
This would be very homosexual
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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay
We, the Mets, will deal you guys Brian Schneider for Fernando Perez
Do it.
Justin Ruggiano may be more to Omar's liking.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
We only negotiate with Adam Rubin.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Why "Los :(" but no "Crawford :("?
we can do much better than carlos, as nice a guy as he is.
by digs the long ball on Jul 28, 2009 3:26 PM EDT reply actions
i defy you to name one person who doesn't
by digs the long ball on Jul 28, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
How i see it--don't panic, con't sell the farm on Lee
mamy teams have fallen back after a great season, Tigers, White Sox, Indians for recent examples
Identighy the core, and build on that
Stop trading young pitching
Trade Pena, Aki and some relievers for position prospects
Don’t give up on Kaz—you’d be selling low on him
I agree with this
I’d try to trade Pena, and if that fails, don’t pick his option up. Go after Adrian Gonzalez or someone else in the off-season.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't mind just going after the next Los/Branyan/Hinske/Norton type.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, damn.
I’d shop him around now and after the season then.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 28, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I really don't want Pena at 1B next year
Is Milwaukee still thinking of dealing Prince?
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 28, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Prince needs to be better at first defensively
Otherwise, that’d be nice
by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I love the fact that this FO looks to buy and sell at the same time.
It makes me wonder why most teams label themselves as one or the other.
It’s Andrew Friedman’s world, we just live in it.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT reply actions
I've been begging to buy and sell for a good month and a half now.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford is on Duemig's show right now.
This is going to end well.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 28, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
Everything revolves around gambling with this guy.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
big week for him
not guilt on a DUI, now crawford…
Kaz/Shields/Garza/Sonny/Price/Davis/Hellickson-necessitate a drool cup or a 7 man rotation
by CubFanRaysaddict on Jul 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Duemig plays credence
He is an ultraconservative republican, and listens to credence. Does he even understand the lyrics?
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was going to have a smart remark about "Finding a poor ultra conservative republican is like finding a black man in the KKK"
but then I remembered all the people who like Sarah Palin.
Oh, this will end well.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not either, and this is going to get shut down very quickly.
I do find it interesting that you’re arguing with me. Putupyourdukes is the one that made the connection, I just made a wise crack.
Okay, we're going to go ahead and stop this now.
Suttree hates all Republicans. You, obviously, don’t. We’re leaving it at that.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
ReasonableDoubt fancies Russian oligarchs.
Everyone has their, like, opinions, man.
So long, Sweet Lime!
The song is about saying fuck you to the USA
and not going to vietnam
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Is there a general feeling on this blog about Deumig
He sways back and forth on Sabermetrics (uses them to make his point, ignores them when they disprove them) however he does give you guys pub and generally gives your articles good reviews. To be honest its because of him that I found out about this place.
Did you cut and paste this?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Saturday's game soldout.
This is not a baseball town.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
Try not to jizz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t90dFkM9acg
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
It's odd scheduling
Really pushing for a crown for the Royals.
Royals is weekend
cept the awesome Monday Noon game
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Pena traded before the game and Willy Aybar introduced as new starting 1B
while coming out to a live performance from Flo Rida.
Go Friday, this town doesn't like blacks.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't tell if you two know each other in real life or not.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 28, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Rape tentacles are real and they are a threat.
Be vigilant.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does he have a list?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnanstine pitching tonight
can we please get something for him, I really don’t ever want to see him pitching in a Rays uniform again.
Que?
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Not sure how to feel about this
I’m not really comfortable shopping Los, much less CC.
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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's all he said/she said when it comes to this stuff, I'd not worry
by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
If all this shit was true
Jason Bay would be our RF right now.
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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am very disapointed it did not go through
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
It's impossible to tell
It may have given the Rays the WS, but it may have prevented them from winning the ALCS at the same time
by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
In another time line, Carlos Pena is a diminutive Domincan slap hitter with a friendly dwarf companion named Paco.
by Suttree on Jul 28, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Until he meets obscure baseball bat-engineer
Delmon Young, a failed collegiate ballplayer turned little league umpire, who teaches him the power of the XKANX bat…
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Empowered by his completely reinvented swing, Carlos overcomes racism and skeptical critics to battle AIDS and robots until one day he meets his match...
by Suttree on Jul 28, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
...Wheel of Fortune host and notorious connoisseur of dubious strange
Magic Johnson, suddenly revealed to be an enormous, anti-Hispanic robot with AIDS at the command of a secret cabal of AL East GMs hellbent on preventing Carlos from leading the Tampa Bay Marlins to…
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 28, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't recall...
…Brignac and Neimann carrying us through the playoffs
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
It's based on the fact that Manny was obviously not playing 100%
Question was how good could he have made the Red Sox
by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays DH stats in the Playoffs
roughly…
.252 /.333 /.439/ .773
Jason Bay…roughly
.260/ .386/ .548/ .934
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
You're missing the point.
Manny is the X factor. It’s how much better he was than Bay, we dunno how much, but those 2 games in Boston may have been in Boston’s favor with him and changed the playoff picture.
by Transplanted on Jul 28, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Yankees don't have enough to get even one of those two.
The Sox… the Sox like their prospects alot and even though they’re a cash cow, they have a lot of money invested all ready at the MLB level.
Yanks don't have enough prospects and Theo has no desire to nuke his farm system.
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by JMB on Jul 28, 2009 4:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
does anyone think
if we traded him to the angels we could get Hank Conger?
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 28, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I am concerned.
On one hand, I am kind of turned on by the chick in the Evony ad. On the other…fairly certain that’s a fella.
So long, Sweet Lime!
OT: Favre to stay retired
sucks for the Vikings and anyone who overdrafted Bernard Berrian in their fantasy leagues.
Still looking at Halladay
Please stop. Jays will try to empty our system. We have too many guys for them to take all of them but they can take the close/sexy ones like Davis, Hellickson, Brignac, Jennnings….
Hope we trade Kaz, maybe Los, I refuse to accept losing CC as much as I love Joyce
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Lee is better for us anyway
We’d have control over him through 2010
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Not Jennings.
He has to be untouchable at this point IMO
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Jul 28, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
trade pena to atl plzzzzz
i am a rays fan but i am a die hard braves fan and the braves need a big bopper and would be willing to send the rays kotchman and kj for him and some bullpen help
I think Kotchman would be too much
I mean, it took you guys trading Teix to get him and Los is no Teix.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
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