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Navarro vs. Hernandez: More Analysis Behind the Dish



Over the past few weeks, DRB has looked at how the starting pitching rotation has fared with Dioner Navarro behind the plate compared to when Michel Hernandez is catching.  The first piece Evaluating the Ray's Starting Pitching Performance Across Catchers took a look at each pitcher's FIP components, K/9, BB/9, and HR/9 with each catcher. Yesterday R.J. Anderson took a look at The Michel Hernandez Effect on James Shields by coming up with run values. He utilized In his conclusion he stated there was clear evidence that James Shields has had better results when Michel Hernandez was catching. However, after looking at the overall pitch selection and catcher framework using Pitch F/X, Anderson derived that it most likely was do to luck.

I decided to do the same across the entire rotation. It is important to not that R.J. and I did not use the same calculation for outs. He opted for AB-Hits, while I chose to use true outs with 1/3 of an inning representing one out. While this will change the numbers, the trend across catchers should remain somewhat stable.

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 First, the run values, for a longer explanation see R.J's post

Walk: 0.32

Single: 0.48

Double: 0.78

Triple: 1.06

Home run: 1.4

Out: -0.28

Now let's take a look at the results for each pitcher-catcher battery:

 

MH Starts DN Starts MH RV DN RV MH RV/St DN RV St
Price 4 7 -0.64 8.84 -0.16 1.26
Niemann 2 17 -2.62 -7.70 -1.31 -0.45
Shields 9 13 -6.06 1.66 -0.67 0.13
Kazmir 3 11 -2.14 12.46 -0.71 1.13
Sonny 5 10 4.44 4.98 0.89 0.50
Garza 4 16 -9.6 -12.96 -2.40 -0.81
Total -4.37 1.76

Only Andy Sonnanstine had a lower run value per start (lower is better) with Dioner Navarro, a .39 margin. One trip across all six pitchers results in 6.13 Runs lower for Michel Hernandez which equates to over half a win. Certainly sample size issues make the difference larger, but between the Fielding Independant Pitching analysis and now the defensive dependant Run Value analysis, there seems to be a yet to be explainable difference between Navarro and Hernandez. Let's look a little further.

 

Here are the top 10 individual Game Scores according to Baseball-Reference.com:

Jun 3 KCR 91 Niemann Navi
Apr 30 BOS 86 Garza Hernandez
Jul 24 TOR 78 Garza Hernandez
May 19 OAK 78 Shields Hernandez
Jun 24 PHI 76 Garza Navi
Apr 12 BAL 73 Shields Navi
Jul 10 OAK 76 Niemann Navi
Jun 4 KCR 70 Shields Hernandez
Jun 20 NYM 71 Shields Hernandez
Apr 23 SEA 69 Shields Navi

 

Each catcher has caught for 5 of the top 10 game scores. However Navarro has caught in 74 games, compared to just 27 for Hernandez.  What about the top 10 FIP performances?

 

Date Opp FIP Pitcher Catcher
May 30 MIN 0.82 Price Hernandez
Jul 24 TOR 0.95 Garza Hernandez
Jun 4 KCR 1.15 Shields Hernandez
Apr 30 BOS 1.37 Garza Hernandez
Jun 3 KCR 1.48 Niemann Navarro
Jul 21 CHW 1.48 Niemann Navarro
Jun 25 PHI 1.59 Sonnanstine Navarro
Jun 20 NYM 1.82 Shields Hernandez
Apr 21 SEA 1.90 Sonnanstine Navarro
Jun 9 LAA 2.04 Shields Navarro

Again 5 and 5 with Hernandez claiming the top 4.

Perhaps it is just luck. The body of evidence suggests to me that there is probably some truth to the argument that Hernandez is a better defensive staff handler than Navarro. At least enough to keep digging deeper, at why.......

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How much could it be sample size/competition?

Did either of you look at something along the lines of games caught against good offenses?

by Suttree on Jul 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did with Shields (MH had the tougher schedule)

It doesn’t matter as much across the staff as typically MH catches 1 game per series.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So is Shields better with Hernandez or does Shields make Hernandez look better?

Hernandez has more starts with him than any other two starters combined, so it pretty much skews everything in his favor. Last night with DN/Kaz vs Monday with MH/Shields has to say something.

by Doyouseeit? on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shields game with MH is in the data

Last night is not as I finished this yesterday afternoon. It’s something I will continue to monitor as the SS grows. The # of Shields starts isn’t a disadvatage, if anything its the most accurate #. The point is the trend is across all pitchers.

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't personally like this type of analysis. The idea is that the catcher contributed to the happening of a home run/triple/etc.

and, for the sake of this argument, assumes all the blame is on them (because the entire run value of the start is taken in favor or against the catcher), which it quite obviously isn’t. Not to mention the small sample size issues and the fact that they were not playing the same lineups every game and I think this is a little shaky.

by Navi's_Navy on Jul 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: Lee to Philly

remember it was Raymondo who told you he’d go to the NL

by Raymondo on Jul 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seems like they could have done better

No way of knowing for sure

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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...motherfucker

2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State

by JMB on Jul 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stealing from the Padres???

Does anyone foresee us partnering with another team who would presumably take Pena while we scoop up Gonzalez and but not necessarily Heath Bell.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 29, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That would be lovely

Pena + Davis + Barnese for Gonzalez

by matthan on Jul 29, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who is taking Pena?

Padres are not taking his salary and we are not going to float it.

"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."

by RaysnNoles on Jul 29, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Ryan Doumit even close to be available because Clement was traded to them?

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Jul 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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