Report: Rays Uninvolved in Jeff Clement Talks
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:15 AM EDT
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PrintOfficials from the Indians and Rays, among the most active teams this week, said they're not involved in the Clement talks. The Red Sox and Pirates have also scouted Tacoma recently, the source said, but it's not clear if they are involved in the imminent trade.
So there you have it, for now at least.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Those Jews in New York are ruining this team by not trading for Jeff Clement!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Did the trade actually happen?
If it did, then what is keeping the teams involved from making some sort of an announcement?
Has to be approved by the MLB offices.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure. It's only 8:30 AM in Seattle.
Maybe Zduriencik wants some cheerios before announcing it?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I am starting to hate trade deadline week
Between last year and this year its just been one huge tease for us.
The cure is to
recognize that it is more hype than significant. Big names are dangled, a few are dealt and the results are ordinarily minimally significant. The Rays have not built their team in that fashion, so why lust for them to take part in the shadow play in July?
We all know that Halladay or Lee would be a big upgrade in the rotation. And that Victor Martinez would be an offensive upgrade at catcher. And maybe the Rays really have been discussing them. But acquiring them would more than likely violate the approach that the Rays take to creating a consistent contender as opposed to a gamble on one flag.
And that is especially apropos when they are 4 games out of the wild card lead and 51/2 out of the division lead. Then the gamble is more rash than were they ahead by 2 games and looking to maintain that lead.
starting to look like Philly may be near a trade for Lee
Carlos Carrasco scratched from his start which was scheduled 11 AM
They aren't trading that much for Washburn.
Otherwise ahahhhahahahahaha
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
why did Carrasco's stock fall so far?
He was consistently an above average but not great prospect, and while it hasn’t been great, it hasn’t been horrible either
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Never hit his upside
He’s a projected #3/#4 starter, and always has been, but there was once a school of thought that his velocity would bump.
Also, people have fallen in love with Drabek over the last couple months, since his delivery was retooled. There are still rumors about Drabek that would worry me though…
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His stuff was never really all that good.
He was just a “top prospect” because Philly really had no legit prospects.
Drabek’s stuff is better across the board and he seems to have found his command as Brick said, he retooled his delivery and that has scouts thinking he could move really fast and be really good.
Tools Whore
Keep Scott Kazmir
as for Clement, i’m thinking maybe MIL or PHI with Washburn in the mix
Why would we want Clement again?
To take over for Pena? He ain’t playing catcher….
I mean, the Mariners are using him there out of necessity, but his injury problems mean he won’t be able to stick there long-term, and he’s about as horrible of a defensive catcher now as you can get.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
yea I don't see any scenario in which Clement plays an inning as a Ray.
Even if we traded for him, it would only be to move him on elsewhere. He is pretty much a 1B/DH at this point.
86 games this year, 70 of them at DH
And his OPS is still only around .860 in a strong hitter’s league (granted, in the closest thing to a pitcher’s park in the league).
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
and he’s about as horrible of a defensive catcher now as you can get.
How are you coming to this conclusion? I’m genuinely curious.
He can't hold runners at all and he allows an inordinate number of passed balls and wild pitches
His knee injury took away his mobility, and his shoulder injury took away his arm strength. In the last two years, between the majors and minors, he’s held runners to about a 17% CS rate, and they run on him at a much higher rate than other catchers.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
look, when you can't quantify something you have to go with what scouts say, because their method is more refined than what we have
as bad as that sounds
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 29, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats fine and all
but there’s no difference between saying “this guy is bad at hitting” without providing any kind of statical evidence and saying “this catcher is horrible defensively” without providing any kind of scouting report, if that’s what you’re going on.
I was vaguely aware of his knee/shoulder injuries but didn’t know they hampered that badly.
So you're saying promote Jaso?
Because that sounds good.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Best I can tell, Jaso's a better defensive catcher than Clement these days
And you already know I don’t think much of Jaso’s defense. Clement is more than a -10RS swing though, I would imagine.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Yep
Lee to Phillies, Halladay to the Red Sox
shut the hell up
are you serious on this?
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I'm in disbelief, not calling you a liar or anything
that would just be hard to take.
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"The Red Sox and Pirates have also scouted Tacoma recently"
Not another 3-way involving the Pirates and Red Sox.
Your source for replacement level commentary
They've mostly gotten raped in trades
Even when the return looks good, it’s usually turned out to be bad. They just suck at talent evaluation all the way up and down the system, as evidenced by their horrible ‘luck’ with the draft as well.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Let's avoid blaming the new regime for the old regime's mistakes.
Although Huntington and company could use some person skills at this point.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Plus Hanrahan for Burnett.
Talk about a stupid swap for the Nationals. Wow.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Morgan quite a bit
I’m not much of a Lastings fan. I think the x-factor is Hanranhan. I think he is going to be pretty good. Actually he is good already.
The Nationals dealt Nyjer Morgan for Mike Morse.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
They didn't completely replace their scouting staff
And Huntington’s gotten killed on his fair share of trades over the last year and a half. And their draft pick this year looks horrible on the face of things.
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I wouldn't say killed at all.
Maybe they should’ve gotten a bit more on Bay, otherwise fine.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
They did a wonderful job selling high on Nady.
And Gorkys is underrated.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
None of us know what they could've gotten.
Nady was a pretty obvious BABIP inflated fluke.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats true
I just don’t understand the type of players they are targeting. There is just no upside. Tabata at least has a chance. The rest are just fillers. The Bay trade was worse.
Marte was having a pretty good year
Take a look at what Sherrill is going to net. Teams would pay something halfway decent for it. They essentially traded Nady and Marte for Tabata. I’m sure they could have gotten more than that. It just seems they are just collecting as many fringe major leaguers as possible.
Ohlendorf/Karstens haven't been awful.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
But thats my point
It just seems very much like quantity over quality. Of course building depth is nice, but it isn’t that tough to acquire fringe major leaguers. When trading at the deadline a team should aim a bit higher on the prospect list.
Jury's still out on the McLouth deal
I like Gorkys as well, but he’s always been upside over production and remains such.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I disagree
They essentially gave away Bay and Nady IMO. They went for quantity over quality.
The Bay trade is already looking really bad
They bought high on pretty much every player in that deal. They also bought high on pretty much every player in the Nady deal. Like I said, it’s a talent evaluation issue.
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No, Not Really
Tony Sanchez was a huge reach, but in my opinion so was us pick LeVon (if we wanted an outfielder, we should’ve gotten Tim Wheeler.
And the used the money they saved to get him to be able to sign their hige upside picks in later rounds.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
There's a HUGE difference between reaching on the #4 overall pick
Versus reaching on the #30 overall pick. 2/3 of #30 picks will never have a major league impact, no matter whether you reach or not. A #4 pick should be a solid MLB player.
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Which is what Tony Sanchez is.
If they were looking for a star, then yeah, they reached. But Tony Sanchez will become a decent regular in the bigs, at worst.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
No, his ceiling is a decent regular
A #4 pick should have a star ceiling
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly.
There is no justification for Tony Sanchez.
Tools Whore
There isn't, I agree with that.
But if they sign Cain (huge upside), Von Rosenburg ( very polished HS pitcher), to go along with the recently singed Stevenson (monster potential), they make up for it somewhat.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
We shall see
Tony Sanchez isn’t 1/4th the prospect Jeff Clement was, and we all saw what happened to Clement. Catchers have a much higher flame-out rate than other positions.
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Speaking of Doc to the Red Sox
Is anyone else not super impressed with Buchholz? I don’t think he is bad by any stretch, but I don’t see him as some uber prospect anymore. He is a bit old for his level and his major league success isn’t exactly there.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Great curveball, but I'm not too impressed with his FB
I’m not saying he isn’t a great pitcher, but I just don’t see the elite prospect tag. I think the Phillies offers were better. Of course who knows what is really real or not. Like if the Phillies take the three guys scratched today and add Drabek that return is much better than the Bowden, Buchholz, Anderson proposal IMHO
If he can keep his head together, he could be hot shit
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I think Rosenthal is an idiot.
But I really hope we manage to get Lee, but I think/hope Rosenthal is wrong on this one.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Rosenthal might miss with players invovled in a trade, but usually he doesn't miss that often on the teams.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Bigger
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Both the Red Sox and Phillies have traded for Roy Halladay and the former Blue Jay pitcher will alternate starts for the teams. Sources say.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Sources are jealous at the cache of hentai received by Hank Steinbrenner, they say
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Indians forum is reporting Lee to Phillies--per ESPN and others
Good news for Rays fans, would have been a bad deal long term, and we keep him away from Red Sox-short term
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
If Lee goes to the Phils, then the Sox have a greater shot at ROY.
I hope this isn’t true.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Hellickson starting again for Durham tonight
hopefully he can have another solid performance. Road game so no tv, it is too bad channelsurfing took down the milb links
Wow, blue balls again if Halladay and Lee are going to non-Tampa destinations
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Any indication we'd go after V-Mart if Lee isn't part of deal?
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I hope not
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't seem so
and I’m not sure Lee is, the names coming from Philly don’t sound like near enough for Lee consider that at least 4-5 other teams are asking about him. I find it hard to believe that no one else could have come up with a better offer than Carrasco and some lower level arms.
Really should never have expected for the team to try for Halladay.
Rays and Sox aren’t going to meet Toronto’s in-division trade demands.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
My guess is Doc lands in Boston
Bucholz, Bowden, and Anderson
I guess the Jays are content then with never winning the division ever again.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
They're destroying if they get Buchholz AND Anderson
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
I'm of the opinion that if you're trading in-division, you pretty much have to fleece your trading partner for it to be a good deal.
Especially if Boston’s getting another year out of Halladay. I just don’t see him being traded in-division, especially if the last teams standing are the Rays and the Sox.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Oh, and it's been hinted that the Yankees are poking and prodding too now.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Just call me the question man today
What other moves (either buy or sell) are out there for the Rays?
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Badler has a nice write-up about Hellickson on BA.
Hellickson also threw a curveball mostly at 77-79 mph, though at times he subtracted some velocity from the pitch down to 73-76. Hellickson’s curveball was solid, though he used it as a chase pitch, something that scouts who saw him in Double-A said might not work against more advanced batters.
H/T SRQ
Oops.
Hellickson came mostly advertised, but with a better changeup than scouts had described last year. Hellickson delivered 90-92 mph fastballs, touching 93 once for a swinging strikeout. He spotted the pitch well, working both corners of the plate while rarely leaving a pitch down the middle plate or missing up in the zone. His repeatable delivery had minimal effort with a stride directly toward home plate.
Montoyo raves about his change-up.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
his location, especially inside the strike zone is what impressed me the most from his first start
everything was down and on the corners.
It's funny because most people seem to knock his command.
Also the change-up sounds sexy.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If I was Toronto, I'd be asking for Casey Kelly.
He looks to be the next Halladay. Sky high upside.
I’d take him over Buchholz easily.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Exactly.
Toronto isn’t giving Halladay up for just one future ace (Buchholz, maybe) but two
If i were J.P. I’d tell Theo give me Buchholz, Kelly, one of Westmoreland/ Reddick, and Lars Anderson.
If that were to happen, the AL East might get tougher in a few years with us, Sox, Yanks, O’s and Jays being good.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Kelly is absolutely untouchable.
He’s just like Moore. You cannot get equal value for him.
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I know he is
But if I’m J.P., I’d rather have him then Buchholz.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
I don't understand all the momentum this Lee to Philly deal is
Jason Knapp is consisdered to be the centerpiece of the deal and he is a single-A pitcher who was rated the #10 prospect in their organization coming into the season? Am I missing something or didn’t the Indians want a MLB ready arm
FOX:
The Phillies are in discussions with the Indians to obtain left-hander Cliff Lee and possibly another player for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to a major-league source.
Hmmm
So we should give them Brignac, Sonnanstine, Jaso, and Barnese?
More like Brignac, Davis, Jaso, and Barnese.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
I think Carrasco is more in like with Sonny
Mid to back of the rotation guy. Davis is a bit higher IMO. Plus Sonny has proven he is a mid rotation guy. He should be far more valuable than Carrasco
Well shit, give them Cobb then
Brignac, Cobb, Kang, Barnese, and Jaso.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
No GM in America would value Sonny and Carrasco equally.
Carrasco has far more value. And Davis is valued significantly higher than either of them.
Tools Whore
Then they are total idiots
The odds of Carrasco equalling Sonnys career is pretty low. Sonny has shown to be a low 4 FIP starter in the majors. What are the chances Carrasco matches that? It can happen, but Sonny has already proven it. And it isn’t like contract/service team is a big issue.
yea Carrasco isn't that good
He has been labeled a top prospect but has sputtered out in AAA.
Sonny>Carrasco
Brignac>Donald
Whereas Sonny has a what? 4.2 career MLB FIP
How on this planet could Sonnys value be lower?
This is what I don’t get.
And then in the off-season we are going to get Hammel’d by Sonny. It just sucks
At least we got two good seasons from Sonnanstine.
Hopefully he goes somewhere that has the best collection of Ray Romano DVDs around.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody Loves Andy
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Good for him and whatever team he's on.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How about this team?
It didn’t make sense a year and change ago when Howell was a soft-tossing long-relief man. I think it makes a bit more sense as a cost-controlled elite all-purpose reliever.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Plus, if Sonny goes into bullpen mode, I'm not convinced he carries the soft-tosser label anymore, his average FB should move north of 91.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I've never seen any report say Sonny has ever even touched higher than 92.
There is no way his average fastball velocity gets anywhere near 90.
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Maybe I'm mistaken then; how much did Howell pick up on his fastball when he moved to the bullpen?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Never mind, I got it
JP went up around 3.5MPH going from starter to reliever, but he was tossing around 82MPH. Sonny’s FB as a starter is around 87-88. You’re probably right. It would go up though.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
The thing with JP though is he was hurt.
When he was a prospect, he sat at 86-87 touching 90 as a starter, which is pretty much where he’s at now as a reliever. His velocity ticked up, perhaps due to a move to the pen, but more likely, he just got healthy.
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basically, that is why this deal makes little sense to me.
I guess Cleveland could go for quantity over quality
Thats my point
Hell we can just keep tossing in okay prospects all day long. Give em Ruggiano too.
Well that's a large package.
Although I’m not sold on any of them, that’s a ton of talent.
Tools Whore
Rays can offer better players
Brignac is better than Donald. Is Davis better than Carrasco? Maybe put Sonny in the deal. Indians can get more high-end players by trading both Lee and Martinez. They have to decide what they want. Do they want a shortstop and a pitcher? Or do they want pitchers and filler? Morrow, and Davis or Davis and Brignac? Either way, this Phily deal seems awfully low, or the Indians just are not high on Rays prospects.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 29, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
Through all of this, they still seemingly need to find a way to move Kazmir, and it was looking like nobody was particularly high on him.
I don’t know how much that changes from last night, but I doubt it isn’t much; I don’t see the Rays just throwing Kazmir away so they can bring in Lee if they can swing a trade.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
good post from the good phight
I don’t know if I believe that, it’s a horrible deal for the Indians, who have a great catching prospect in Carlos Santana in AA plus a decent pair of middle infielders in Asdrubal Cabrera & Luis Valbuena who are both a) already in the majors and b) a year younger than Jason Donald.
That is a hilariously light packagew
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
?
ed_priceSource: #Pirates getting Jeff Clement from #Mariners. Other Seattle minor-leaguers involved. Could be for a P (Duke?) or a 3-team deal.
Will he pitch for the team that acquires him?
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I don't know but something isn't right in his head
he strikes out 17 in a game and than says I want to stay in AAA
That's my thinking too
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
One GM says the Rays briefly dangled Carl Crawford a few weeks ago. Sounds like they'll consider anything.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Where's that one guy telling me how the FO would never trade Crawford?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
File all these rumors with Lee going to LA and Halladay to BOS
Maybe it’s me but there seems to be even more bullshit this deadline than usual.
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
OMGZ THEY MADE AN OFFER
Rob Maaddi of the AP (via the Miami Herald) hears that the Phils offered the Indians a package of players for Lee, but didn’t include Kyle Drabek in the proposal.
Can all these sources clean out their lockers please?
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
If Cleveland accepts the package listed earlier, they're fucking idiots.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
RT @ Dejan_Kovacevic #Pirates trade Wilson and Ian Snell for Jeff Clement,Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin, Nathan Adcock
wait is this real?
I thought they want a young SS
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I don't buy Snell's control coming back
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Snell should have been had for peanuts. He wanted out of Pittsburgh like nobody's business.
If this is true, it’s a really bad trade. The M’s gave up way too much for things that aren’t going to help them compete this year.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Wow, that sounds like the Mariners getting throughly fleeced.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
They were just never gonna give Clement a chance
And now what, he will be a bench warmer for the Pirates?
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Nobody should have been willing to pay any amount of talent for Snell.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
He can put Mariner's AAA team over the top
Unless, he actually wants back in the majors
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/jeff-clement-removed-from-game.html
Kovacevic says the Mariners acquire (Jack) Wilson and Ian Snell for Clement, Ronny Cedeno, Aaron Pribanic, Brett Lorin and Nathan Adcock.
who are those spects
are they any good?
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Pribanic/Lorin/Adcock are all good pitching prospects
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Mariners.....
I thought they were getting smarter…..
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
LL is on collective suicide watch
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Still equally bad for the M's.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not buying anybody's POV arguing Kazmir's velocity going up or down at this point.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yes please.
If Tampa wants financial flexibility, they can probably dump Kazmir on someone with the payroll space to take a risk. Given their budget issues and pitching depth, it’s probably not a bad idea to move him now.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: Halladay
Apparently the Jays want Happ and Drebek and the Phillies balked at that.
Is that much different than offering Niemann and Davis?
any AL East team would have to give much more than the Phillies
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Well yes, because the Phillies don't have pitching prospects arguably better.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
But if that package is good enough to get Doc to the Phils then why wouldn't it be good enough to get him to Tampa?
Yeah I understand its trading within a division. Although that shouldn’t matter. Doc would be gone in 2011 anyways which is when the Jays would have a shot at competing.
Happ has overachieved based on his aux stats this year.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
And so has Niemann
I just don’t see the difference between those two packages. If that is what the Jays are looking for then we can match that no problem.
Do you think that trading in-division shouldn't matter as long as you get marginally more talent in return or better?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Depends. I think every situation is unique
From the Jays perspective it shouldn’t matter if they trade Doc to the Rays. In fact they should prefer it. They won’t really have a shot at competing until 2011, and Doc would be gone. The Rays get no benefit at that point. And the Jays would be harming the system of a division rival.
The fans will never show up if we trade our leading game winner
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually NM, I missed something somewhere, I thought his FIP was well over 5 for some reason.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Well, they acquired a bunch of pitching prospects, too.
It’s not a bad deal for them at all. One of those pitchers should pan out, and if Clement is a capable, cost-controlled 1B, they coo.
Do contracts every have clauses where players get paid less
if they get sent down to minors?
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He's asking if they always have that clause, not if it exists.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
You're right, im retarded
I meant always, not every.
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Oh ok, yeah I'm pretty sure that it's not in every contract.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Phillies on the verge?
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/cliff-lee-update.html
Oh shit……….
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
That is still a REALLY fucking light package
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
No it's not
Carrasco, Knapp, Taylor and Marson/Donald is a healthy package.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I can guarantee you we've offered far more
Christ when did quantity over quality become so important?
Uh
Taylor’s a really good prospect to me, Carrasco’s decent, and Knapp struck out a ton in the SAL
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
meant to include this
Knapp struck out less than Moore, but he’s also like a year and a half younger.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, a year younger.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he relies on his fastball
But he’s 6’5", 18 years old, and struck out a ton in the SAL.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
By the time this sentence is finished Carrasco will give up another HR
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
But thats what I said before. Those players aren’t bad. But is it really different than Brignac, Sonny, and Barnese?
Did we offer that?
And yes, it is. Sonnanstine has no value right now. And Knapp is a better prospect than Barnese. Taylor-Brignac might be a wash because Brignac plays SS.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
How the hell does Sonny have no value?
Look what Ian Snell just got traded for. Why would you take Carrasco over Sonny? Is there any logical reason?
Carrasco is 22 and Sonnanstine is 26?
And you get Carrasco for 6 years…
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonny is still team controlled for awhile
And has proven success. I think the less team controlled is more than made up of the higher probability of success.
Carrasco really isn't struggling that much.
His peripherals are all pretty solid. His ERA is artificially high.
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Sonnanstine's AAA homerun rate was 1.0/9
Carrasco’s is 1.1 right now. That’s not counting 36 innings last year where he allowed one homerun.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I never though Sonny was more than a 3/4 type.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
after 20 starts and your ERA is over 5 and teams are hitting .262 against you
something isn’t clicking, it’s not just bad luck. although his bb/k numbers are good, everything else looks kinda bad.
Perhaps the defense behind him is bad.
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Proven success? Kind of. I guess.
I mean, he’s been okay. Not a front-line guy. Right now, neither is Carrasco but he has better stuff and a higher ceiling.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
No. One of the rumors was Davis/Morrow/Clement/ and then a few more, lets say Barnese and a PTBNL.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
However I think we didn't offer that because there is no way they'd accept it
Which I understand, but now they may accept a weaker deal? Makes no sense to me.
It's light compared to other packages being thrown around.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think it is as much light as it doesn't make sense for Cleveland
Carrasco isn’t a front line starter they have been asking for like a Davis or Buchholz and they really don’t have much of a need for Donald or Marson. They are set at SS and have a really good C prospect in AA.
There are better packages for Cleveland elsewhere.
They’re not dumb and I refuse to believe that they’d accept this deal.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
In other words, I agree.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's 2 of Taylor/Marson/Donals
And I don’t like Marson, Donald, Or Carrasco
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
...
2:11pm: MLB.com’s Bill Chastain with the scoop – the Rays have acquired Jason Bay for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann. The Rays haven’t confirmed it yet though, and Rosenthal says the Bucs want to replace Niemann with other prospects. I wonder if Bay would DH for the Rays.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Just sayin. If it sounds too odd, it's probably too odd.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I think we lucked out that we didn't get that trade.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yeah Jay Bay sucks
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That is a garbage deal.
acquiring Cliff Lee from the Indians for Carrasco, Knapp and at least two of Donald, Marson and Michael Taylor.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps Raymondo is right
The Indians just would prefer to trade to the NL
I get the feeling that the general consensus is
if we don’t get Lee or Halladay, we’re done for this year. I don’t necessarily think thats the case. We’re 6.5 out of ALE and 4 out of WC with 12 or so games against BOS and NY left. I nkow our Playoff odds are ~20%, just seems that 4 games out of WC isnt much to make up when we still have decent # of games against top dogs left
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If we don't get Lee or Halladay, and Boston gets either, we're done for the year. If neither of us gets either one, we're all good.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Just to ask the question
Why would BOS getting either knock us out? Couldn’t we still contend for WC spot with NYY?
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*their injuries, except for A-Rod at the beginning of the year, have made them better, not worse.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Fair enough, i guess i was looking at it from the perspective
we’re 6.5 back of NYY (i think) and we;ve got about 8 games left against them and with BOS upgrading with Lee or Halladay, and their 8ish games left against NYY, that could be recipe for us to catch them if we hold serve on the rest of our schedule
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We can close the gap, but the Yankees are a better road team then either us or Boston. They'll make up some of those inter-division losses with better road trips.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I guess I don't want to admit it's over
cue “How Am I Supposed To Live Without You” song
I think we still have that chance, which is good and bad. Can’t really be big time sellers if we have that chance.
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I've admitted it was over, yet I can still root for them and hope I'm wrong.
The team isn’t going to be a seller. At worst, they do nothing.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Proven success? Kind of. I guess.
I mean, he’s been okay. Not a front-line guy. Right now, neither is Carrasco but he has better stuff and a higher ceiling.
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 29, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm beginning to hate this jumping all over the thread when it auto-refreshes crap in firefox. SBN needs to fix that already."
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Also, I personally think that we're done, but I won't go into that here until after the season.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
We're not 'done' persay.
But we’d really, really need a lot of help.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Longo, Los, and Beej turning it on
as well as Shields, Garza, and Kazmir = A ton of help
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Did the bus break down?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think we're done.
We’re a hot streak from Navi and Los and some consistency with our #1-3 SP away from being a serious, serious threat.
So long, Sweet Lime!
All of our starters have the capability of being dominating. If we only get V-Mart out of this deal, I'm content.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions
If we don't get anyone, and Boston doesn't get anyone else, I feel pretty good about our chances.
Like it’s been mentioned elsewhere, we have yet to go on a huge 12 out of 15 type run, which both the Sox and Yanks have done. Our starting pitching could still very easily come together.
Our problem is we seem to follow every strong streak with a bad streak
Instead of winning 4 of 5 and then dropping 3 we need to minimize those losing streaks. If we do then we will be ok.
I agree and without completely understanding regression
Pena, BJ, and Longoria could all get hot and lead to this type of run. It wouldn’t suprise me.
We need consistent pitching to have this happen
Can’t have someone go out and give up 6ER in 3 innings. Those are winnning streak breakers
Kap-rilla???
from Todd Zolecki's twitter.
Ken Rosenthal reports the deal is Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson and Jason Donald for Cliff Lee and one other.
really light and makes no sense.
amirite?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
No Taylor? That's silly
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
All he's doing is repeating Rosenthal's update. Everyone, try to stop repeating the same comment 3 or 4 times when they're all citing the same source unless they have additional information.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I said please, and I'm not going to ban anyone for it.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I think my memory is slipping at my advanced age.
Of 27.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I agree with him though.
It’s annoying for people to post the same thing every 5 minutes because they can’t look at the least 15-20 comments.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Deadline's over--Rosenthal out front shoulda told ya
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Zolecki now saying the "other" Indians player would be Ben Francisco going to Philly
this would just make the deal even more one sided.
Also, this needs to be addressed.
Do NOT post “trades” that you get from unreliable sources like message boards or MLBTR’s comment section. There’s a 99% chance they aren’t legitimate, and if they are, another source will have them soon enough.
RJ DID YOU HEAR THAT JD BOOO IS CLEANING OUT HIS LOCKER?
SULLY SULLENBERGER SAYS THE SAWX ARE DEALING HIM FOR A-GONZO
Don't we already have that?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
this wont work out
Pena is always smiling, both Upton’s always look pissed
unfair deals.
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
Tampa Bay/St. Pete trade MLB team "Rays" to the Moon for cash considerations and rights to the REM song.
So long, Sweet Lime!
My inside source just informed me that CC and BJ Upton have been traded for David Eckstein and Chase Headley
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
From Will Carroll, our favorite former radio guy and Jenn Sterger stalker (though I think this might be a valid point):
Davis has been more defined by who he is not than who he is. He’s not David Price, who charged through four levels in a year and ended his 2008 in the World Series. He’s not even Scott Kazmir, who’d been in the big leagues for three years by his age-23 season. I even regularly confuse Davis and his former teammate, Jake McGee, for no apparent reason. Davis is just steadily good, keeping his control even though he’s lost the 98 mph fastball that he had when he was drafted. He still touches 95 on occasion, but he’s mostly just a very good pitcher who somehow turns better than average tools into a slightly better than average pitcher. “There’s still upside, but he’s not an ace,” said one veteran Triple-A observer, “but what I think someone gets—the Rays or someone—is a guy who you hand the ball to 30 times and you don’t think about it at all, like Jon Garland or Matt Morris.” He’s had absolutely no injury problems, so part of the package someone might buy is that consistency.
If Davis is Jon Garland FUCKING TRADE HIM RIGHT NOW.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Carroll was referring more to a durable guy that will be spectacular as many times as he's awful and generally
gives you a chance to win aka #3/4 SP
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I don't know that it's such a bad thing.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You mean what we've been led to believe by Heater posters who think he should be up right now and Price should be our closer?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
There isn't a wide gap between Meche and Garland
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
About a half run per nine over the last three or so years.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
not that big a gap
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
When you're talking about projecting a prospect? Really? It's not that big a gap
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Carroll was quoting someone.
If Carroll made the comparison I would simply chock it up to not knowing shit about baseball analysis.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Dang man
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Rays trade Stu Sternberg for Donald Sterling
In an unrelated trade Andrew Friedman swaps spots with Kevin McHale
Tampa Bay Rays sign FA OF Michael Vick to 3 year contract
release IF Joe Dillon and OF Desmond Jennings – www.tottenhamhotspursuckskawk.com
So long, Sweet Lime!
Wouldn't he be better as a pitcher?
He has a rocket arm.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
I would think he has more value than Joe Dillon, even without playing an inning of pro baseball
or maybe even organized baseball, period.
So long, Sweet Lime!
He could prob be a goot defensive replacement and steal a couple bases
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softball team went 13-0 3 years ago, him and Marcus could probably be had on the cheap
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure we have the AA reliever who will never make AAA that it would take to get Dukes?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
OH WAIT...
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Omg, stop
This thread is gonna get real slow because of rumors of trading for Erin Andrews tits
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
OMG GUYS WE SIGNED BARRY BONDS
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions
Actual News
12:42pm: Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi report that the sides have agreed to a deal that sends Lee and Francisco to Philly for prospects.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
prospects = equivalent of my latest bowel movement.
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Welp
The Phillies have reached agreement with the Indians on a trade that would bring them left-hander Cliff Lee and outfielder Ben Francisco for Class A right-hander Jason Knapp, Class AAA right-hander Carlos Carrasco, shortstop Jason Donald and catcher Lou Marson, according to major-league sources.
Depending on how much you like Clement and Lorin, you can make a case that the Pirates got more Wilson and Snell than the Indians got for Lee. Which is sad.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
4 Real!
How the FUCK the Phils get Lee without giving away one of Taylor, Drabek, or Brown. This is fucking bullshit. If this is all they wanted we could’ve giving them Barnese, Jaso, Briggy and Cobb for God’s fucking sakes.
This is some ol’ bullshit right here.
Plus this means the BoSox have the best shot at Halladay.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
The Yankees would likely sell the farm on Halladay without even blinking an eye; I'm willing to bet that they don't let Boston get him.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Also, if there is any player in Major league baseball that I'm willing to whore out for assuming I can resign him to an extension, it's Halladay.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Give me a sec, i gotta get Tampabay.com up in another browser window
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, the Rays couldn't resign him to an extension, so it's moot.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Now that he has his crap together they may trade him??? Keep him. They need him down the stretch...If you trade him to get Lee you are not saving any money or getting any better a pitcher....
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow, Kaz came through. Trade him while the value is there and resign Carl. Burrell has got to go, salary dump would be nice. Burrell and Kaz could free up a lot of payroll. Could bring up Davis and DH Aybar. Front Office really screwed up this season
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea we have to pay Kaz $22.5 million over the next two years. I think I'm ready to trade him for Indian's Catcher Victor Martinez right now. Unless there's some reason to believe Shawn Riggans will flourish. I wish so; but think not.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn. Good points. Can't argue with the numbers. So I guess it's not so much about backing up the outfield...especially if Joyce works out...as much as it's about backing up the infield. If that's the case then it's really about Aki vs Aybar.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Carrasco is the higest rated pitching prospect
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Not presently
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"Baseball is played on the field, not on a calculator."
Until those teams make it official, I'm sitting on my hands.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
And once they do you'll be sitting on your thumbs
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
If you're thinking what we saw out of Kaz is what to expect moving forward, then we already got our Cliff Lee. Plus, this trade doesn't involve V-Mart so he's still out there.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Makes you wonder what the Rays actually offered to be one-upped by that
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Probably they wanted the Injuns to eat salary
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not buying it
Way too light
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I can just hear Raymondo's flaky lips peeling back in a shit-chomping grin
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Thanks Bill Simmons
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps i can interest you in some sweet Almost Famous quotes?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
And the closest competition was The Dark Knight
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Can I just say that Children of Men is a criminally underrated movie?
To not even be mentioned among the best movies of the decade – IN ANY DISCUSSION – is outrageous.
Good movie, but not great imo. I'd probably tie it with Dark Knight
But we can both aggree that Cam Crowe is fucking awful
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, Cameron Crowe can suck a high hard one.
Children of Men > Dark Knight, so hard, but maybe I’m irrational about it.
You're simple
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's schmaltz
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Please tell me your favorite movie is something like Reservoir Dogs or Sin City
Or..OH. Fight Club.
So long, Sweet Lime!
You just mentioned 3 terrible movies
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Says the guy who is an Almost Famous fan
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Imagine how much it would suck if PSH wasn't in it
That guy made Along Came Polly go from dreck to pondscum
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked it, but it's not all that great of a film
The cinematography was nice and there is a lot of subtlety.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There's not a single thing wrong with Children of Men.
No major plot holes, it’s well-acted, one of the best action sequences ever, relatively unique… I dig it hardcore.
I'm not saying you shouldn't but for something that had the potential to go into
deep conversation on the role of man’s impact on the world, I was seriously disappointed.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Meh, sometimes you just gotta accept moves for what they are, not what they could be.
I mean, it’s no Godfather Pt II, but what is?
No Country For Old Men
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed. I like that 2007 saw probably 2 of the 15 best American movies ever made.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Good lord you guys suck.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't start hating on Tyler Perry you son of a bitch
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
DAMMIT BROWN, THERE YOU GO JIGGABOOING AGAIN
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I cannot pick one over the other TWBB is probably the better film and the final
scene is probably my favorite of all time, but NCFOM is a lot more open to interpretation and equally well done, plus I have a softspot for all Coen Films, Burn After Reading HOLLA
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
These are litearlly my exact thoughts on the situation
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
cool
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I cannot tell if the literal tens of millions of people that hate that flick
are just too dumb to get it or if they would have preferred more explosions.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a great movie IMO, but not as good as TWBB
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a more rewatchable movie, which is a slight advantage.
It’s much more fun to get drunk and watch Boogie Nights with some friends than TWBB. Though, the second half of that movie… a little jarring when you’re 6-7 beers deep.
"More rewatchable movie"
I see you are using the Boston Sportsguy Guide to Movie Critique™
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, VP OF COMMON SENSE
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
What's not to love about seeing a young Heather Graham naked?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Punch-drunk Love was a nice touch
Though he’s not even my favorite Anderson,
Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou makes me believe in humanity
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I haven't seen Darjeeling yet, but Rushmore and The
Royal Tenenbaums are freaking excellent, and Bottle Rocket is ok
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Loved Rushmore when I saw it.
Loved Royal Tennenbaums when I saw it.
Loved Zissou when I saw it.
Saw Darjeeling and realised he was never going to stop making the exact same move and downgraded my thoughts on all 3
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Don’t change your memories based on lack of creativity in the present. Sure Tale Spin sucks now, but back in the day it ruled, why change that.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are takling about the duck-based disney cartoon
IT STILL RULES
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
That was the one with the Jungle Book character
Baloo, that monkey, Shear Khan
I watched some Batman: The Animated Series the other day and that is what rules, still.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
unsurprising
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd rather watch Pacific Blue
Shows about Bike Cops make me want to be a criminal.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Perfect Blue is about stalkers!
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Duck Tales, Darkwing Duck,
Tale Spin were all amazing
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Yeah I wanted to bang Darkwing Ducks
niece or daughter or whatever when I was 11
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
So you're also a furry
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I was 11
I think I also thought Kimmy Gibbler was hot, wtf was I thinking
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
She was alll woman
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Stephanie wasn't on Blossom
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
NM you're right Six was on Blossom
She looks how I imagine Gauge looked as a teenager
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
lots of writers and auteurs have a thematic framework
and each story is a variance on that. doesn’t bother me, personally.
So long, Sweet Lime!
First time through Darjeeling is a little dry
But it gets better with every viewing.
So long, Sweet Lime!
"There are no Teams."
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
PT Anderson =/ Wes Anderson
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem with NCFOM had nothing to do with the film making.
It has do with McCarthy’s writing and the final monologue. Ever since he finished Child of God, his writing consistently tinkers on the verge of being barely comprehensible when monologues about some kind of metaphor are used. The Judge’s speech about the dance in Blood Meridian, the sheriff’s end speech in NCFOM… there’s just enough there to ascertain some kind of meaning, but I can’t tell if that’s genius or lazy writing.
The ending monologue deals with outliving your contemporaries. The problem with the film was casting Lewellen so young
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that, but it takes like three readings to really get that.
And for movie purposes, practically no one gets that their first time through. Every one of my friends I saw it with, who hadn’t read the book and are fairly intelligent human beings, agreed that it was an awesome movie, but they didn’t know what the fuck the ending was about.
Leaving out WW2 references was a mistake too
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The first rule of getting snooty book lovers to suck your cock is
vaguely inscrutable composition of metaphors.
So long, Sweet Lime!
The first rule of not understanding literature is to make comments like this
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Weak sauce
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I wasn't trying to burn him
Nor was I making a statement against vaguely inscrutable composition of metaphors. It’s a fact that’s reinforced by this subthread – lots of people (myself included) love to put together their own interpretations of what a story means. It stirs debate and people defending their own arguments and interpretations draws them closer to the material.
So long, Sweet Lime!
It was a joke
I don’t really care either way
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we have our berets and skinny jeans on here, sandy
no fucking jokes. now get me a rob roy and shake that fucking ass up to the bar.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Sick burn
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I prefer open-ended interpretation
Makes it fun to re-watch
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I really hope those two movies aren't There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men
So long, Sweet Lime!
Did Cameron Crowe have a move that year?
Maybe you’d like something with Tom Hanks
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure you have your reasons
I don’t care to hear them, IMDB has already seen too much bloodshed on this topic
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd like to take this opportunity to say FUCK YOUR OT THREADS KERICR
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Nope
just on doing crappy columns based on movies with quotes that suck.
/I should be a GM
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its either fake or Shapiro is more retarded than I though
I want V-Mart
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Suttree hates a jew? WELL I NEVER
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how the people at the good phight are loving this one
they want Halladay too, they figure the prospects they didn’t have to use to get Lee they can flip to get Halladay (Drabek, Happ ,Taylor)
I don't watch hentai.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I watch things that are good. Go touch a woman.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't watch hentai.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
So the Red Sox are basically standing there, the only team left in the Halladay sweepstakes
And backed into not having to give up Kelly or Westmoreland.
Slow clap for Mark Shapiro and JP Ricciardi.
So long, Sweet Lime!
*Shoots self in head*
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Doesn't make sense for the Dodgers to do this.
And I don’t consider the Rangers a threat for a move this big.
So long, Sweet Lime!
the price for halladay is going to have to come down a lot if the Jays want to move him
there is no way that there is this much of a discrepancy in price between Lee and Halladay.
Why would JP take less than he wants?
He doesn’t have to move the guy.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
How so?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Older, the unpredictability next season (what if he has some freak injury?), fewer months under contract
So long, Sweet Lime!
Sure, but the words Halladay and unpredictability do not play well together
There is no surer bet in baseball.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The question is now what do the Rays do with:
Niemann, Kazmir, Davis, Talbot, and Sonnanstine
We have 2 spots open next year….
4 man rotation
Shields, Kaz, Garza, Price
Bullpen:
Niemann
Davis
Talbot
Sonnanstine
Howell
Cormier
Balfour
Loogy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
half our starters only go 5 anyway, might as well plan accordingly.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Why even carry a loogy?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
It was either that or "FA Acquisition"
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
11 pitchers is enough
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
daveh's august 2009 tampa roster
LF- CC
CF – BOSSMAN
RF – JUSTIN
3B – Mike Vick
SS – Barry Larkin [comeback of 09]
2B – Jemile Weeks
1B – Dukes
C – Angel Salome
DH – Prince
Longo traded for Prince, Rickie [DL], and Salome.
Zobrist, Davis, Hellickson, Shields traded for Justin
Sonny for Dukes
Burrell for Jemile
Vick and Larkin signed thru 2010 for the minimum.
all players wear #42 all the time. tattoos are required for when they take their jerseys off.
“defense” replaced with “fuckfense”. Dukes and Vick known for tripping/tackling runners at their corners
lol at fuckfense, but seriously Vick's LH he could never play 3rd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
So he can play SS
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
you gonna be the one to tell Barry to move to 3rd?
plus, Vick’s strength/football background required at 3rd for fuckfense
Please elaborate
Are we talking Mutant League Baseball?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
opposing runners never get to turn 3B.
Vick throws his glove at their faces. [waits til he sees ‘the whites of their eyes’]
if he misses with the glove, don’t worry as 3B is rigged to deliver several jolts of electricity if they touch the base].
Also home plate is replaced with a "rape stand"
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Dukes becomes feared for backing the C up at the plate
on plays at the plate, they essentially create a 2-person wall
After Dukes tags runners out trying to go home the scoreboard simply displays the image of a 9mm handgun
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dukes doesn't even bring a glove on the field
just grabs the ball, makes a fist and uses a right hook to “tag” opposing players
Other attractions: Carl Everett as bullpen coach. Instead of calling him on the phone, manager Frank Robinson presses a button
And a bag hung from the catwalk opens up and dumps plastic dinosaurs on him
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Derek Bell sitting on a stool in the RF corner smoking cigarettes
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ongoing Kanasta game between Rickey and Bobby Bonilla
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
The Pete Rose Sportsbook is almost as popular as the
Ty Cobb Negro League Museum & Gallows
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Incredible 5/5
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
help me on what 5/5 means.
Jeter Sucks.
by PriceMultiCyYoungs on Jul 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
5 out of a possible 5
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
FYI, This would be the greatest thing to ever happen ever
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
3rd base coach= Rickie Henderson
he also plays 1B coach simultaneously as long as he can steal the bases backwards without the C throwing him out. [he has 96% success rate for 09]
Bench coach and all-around clubhouse guy: Albert Belle
Veteran Leadership off the bench: Sheff plz
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Mitchell kept in a cage and fed raw meat replaces the Touch Tank
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
agreedo
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What the hell did we really offer for Lee?
I know we are trying to save prospects for the long-term health of the franchise, but which is better? A few more years of above average? Or a couple seasons of swinging for the fences? IF we had actually offered Wade Davis, I can’t see the Indians not taking it? The Rays needed an ace and apparantly had the opportunity to acquire one and missed the boat. I just hope Wade Davis is worth it in the long-run.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 29, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
I would be suprised if we found out we offered Davis + Brignac
if that was the case, Shapiro is retarded.
Just my guess...
But my hunch is that our failure to get Lee had more to do with the inability for us to sell Kazmir off to any team at a decent value moreso than what we were willing to give up to get Lee.
but Lee doesn't cost much the rest of this year
and there’s a whole offseason to trade someone to meet payroll needs. I just don’t think we are actually in on anything except maybe to try and prevent players from going to New York or Boston.
by raysfaninminnesota on Jul 29, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions
UGH! WHY HASN'T tbird POSTED TODAY
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Question about Bartlett
If Jack Wilson can get that large of a haul what would Barty have fetched?
by matthan on Jul 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree, I think we may have made a mistake by not being more active in shopping the Bartman
Of course this assumes that the media covers everything since I have no idea what happens behind the curtain.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
lolwhatthefuck
Shortstop Jack Wilson, one of the staples of this season’s trade market, was dealt by the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Seattle Mariners on Wednesday as part of a seven-player deal.
Going to the Mariners along with Wilson is right-hander Ian Snell.
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
So if they were traded, no one told them
Lee and Francisco know nothing about being traded
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Indians game in an hour
Wouldnt be shocked if Fransisco started
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With the sale of Lee being for less than expected
would this lower the Halladay asking price enough to allow us to potentially be a bigger player in that arena?
Possibly include another team so that we could dump some salary (aka Kaz).
Sweet that means I can't watch it
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the fuck are the Pirates always so eager to get assraped in these trades?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions
Pirates won that trade...
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
?
they got 5 prospects for an over-rated SS and a pitcher who asked to be sent to AAA and refused to pitch for the big league club
If by that you mean the M' got anal-raped, then yeah
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
1:43pm: Ricciardi tells Sherman he expects to keep Halladay through 2010 and try to win next year.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
That was discussed in the Blackstars(tm) portion of this thread
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This thread....RULES!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
And it all started with your patented anti-sematism
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
im pretty pissed you didn't get into it with peepers about ultraconservative republicans yesterday.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Please explain. I am an untraconservative republican. Who is peepers?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Edwin Jackson would be a good guy to try and trade for...oh wait.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
CowbellKid JAPANESE TV JUST LEFT. Holy Cow that was crazy! Way 2 much work, but I loved it! I AM GONNA GET SOME SHINE 4 THE RAYS/Tampa Bay IN JAPAN!
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Tattoo'd douchebag Vince Vaughn isn't right for you Steph!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Welp
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
by P Brady on Jul 29, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sexy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So yeah
Just 2 things
1) No Doc to Yanks/Sox
2) GIVE ME V – MART
ok a 3rd thing, keep the awesome going, Kaz
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Mets want a lefty
Can we just get something, anything for Choate or Shouse?
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Victor Zambrano?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So on the V-Mart front
Rays vs Sox
lets surprise everyone and win that battle and hey hes at 1B and Napoli is on the bench. 2 C’s I would love to have are getting rested up for us!
1. James Shields 2. Scott Kazmir 3. Matt Garza 4. David Price 5. Jeff Niemann
I just don't get what we are doing with all these starting pitchers
Depth is nice, but it is going to kill us value wise.
4 man rotation
Everyone else to pen
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
In our scenario it might make sense
It’s not like we have an ace that would be losing starts, just a bunch of 2-4 type guys getting the pill with the ability to go deeper.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Great tweet, or greatest tweet?
clarencethomas Ordered a satchel of steak frites from a roadside vendor on 49th street. Said to me “greetings, sky goddess.” I flapped my beak and melted.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
clarencethomas “Found myself in a puddle last night. Put myself together again with glue. Realized the sky goddess is me, in you” -Original
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I am watching the Indian game
Wanna see if V-Mart leaves the game at any point
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So in who cares news
Think Carrasco steps right in and takes the open rotation spot?
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I still don't get how we couldn't or didn't want to trump that deal
What did they want that we wouldn’t give up?
Kap-rilla???
All I can think of is we couldnt deal Kaz and didnt have the money
or……AF kept Davis like last year
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okay, but Seattle ended up with both a worse pitcher and shortstop than what we would've likely given to get that three-way done.
Brignac, Kaz >>>>>xinfinity> Wilson, Snell
So long, Sweet Lime!
Cleveland probably didn't like the package of prospects.
Oh well.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 29, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Say something that will soothe my sorrow!
We’re not going to get anything now :(
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We don't need anything
We are already in rough shape for 2009, but I have a lot of confidence about the quality of this team now and in the future.
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I know. I was being facetious.
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by EminenceFront on Jul 29, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you think the deal was for the same players they sent the Pirates + Morrow?
Or something close to it?
CLE would've been better off with Morrow, Clement, Wade, Barnese
Than what they got.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Well that would have been for Lee+Vmart
I’m taking about just for Lee
Trading for a SP without moving one wouldn't make sense
On the money front or the value front. We couldn’t/shouldn’t move Price and Niemann to the pen (or AAA for Price) for developmental and value reasons. So that means we would have to trade someone. Niemann and Kaz are the obvious choices. For some reason AF never attempted to sell high on Niemann (as far as we know) and couldn’t find a taker for 7 K/9 Scott Kazmir.
or Clement
Maybe he will still be involved in a 3 way deal for….Doc? or V-Mart?
Jays can use a young C and a SS ( Brignac) hmmmm
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Hey wanna hear something funny?
First 2 games of the Royal series will feature Ponson then Chen
2 AA/AAA pitches in a row! then Bannister, not that difficult but then Grienke
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we really have a good oppurtunity to make up some ground on this homestand
of course we need some more help from Papelbum.
Lee is in the dug out
not looking like a guy getting booted off the team, fail your physical one of you!
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I think he is messing it up more
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V-Mart HBP
dont hurt him, may need him
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 29, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
2:52pm: Kovacevic hears that the Giants are examining Sanchez within the hour. Is there a deal in place? Kovacevic hears 'yes' and 'no.'
Welp
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
OT: Today's lineup
Upton, cf
Crawford, lf
Longoria, 3b
Zobrist, 2b
Pena, 1b
Burrell, dh
Gross, rf
Navarro, c
Bartlett, ss
Garza, p
does anyone else hate seeing Burrell and Pena back to back? I know in a utopia where they’re both hitting it makes the most sense. but in this reality, where they both simply strike out, they are rally killers…
Sanchez must really hate SF
SI_JonHeymanlittle holdup in freddy sanchez trade to #sfgiants. pitts. post-gazette reports sanchez made pirates 3-year offer to stay
Oooh I just saw on Sidereel that HBO renewed for a second season
I can’t wait to see him flame out with the Rays.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 29, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Goodbye to SF Freddy
3:31pm: Kovacevic hears that the Pirates turned down Sanchez’s offer. He proposed a deal that would have paid him $6MM next year, $6.5MM in 2011 and $7.5MM in 2012.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Apparently the Giants dealt Alderson for him.
Regardless of the questions about Alderson’s velocity, but that’s absolutely ridiculous.
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