Catch 23: A Look At Carlos Pena's Defense in 2009
One of our main goals on the site is to remain objective. Yes, we are fans. Yes, we have our favorite and our least favorite players. However, we try to be fair to all partiers because after all we are fans of the team first and foremost.
Carlos Pena is one of the tougher players to be critical about. The guy is a saint off the field and a masher on the field. However, after his latest bucker-esque error, I decided to look at the numbers on Los.
Offensively at age 31, Pena is in the middle of his second best season as a pro. He is leading the American League in home runs (23) and runs scored (58). He is also second in walks with 51, just two behind Marcos Scutaro. His .914 OPS is third best on the Rays among qualifying batters. If it weren't for Kevin Youkilis and Mark Teixiera, Pena would be a leading candidate for his first all star appearance.
Defensively at age 31, Pena is in the middle of his worst season as Ray. A gold glove winner in 2008, Pena has been a below average defender in 2009; regardless of the metric. For the traditionalists, Pena has made eight errors in 78 games this year. He made just two errors in 132 games last year. UZR wise, Pena has been earned a -2.7 rating this year; a 6.6 run decline from his +3.9 in 2008.
Before we have any thoughts of putting Pena out to pasture on the DH farm, let's remind ourselves that UZR is good measurement of what has happened so far. It does little in the way of projecting the future of one's defensive performance. Pena also plays one of the lesser demanding positions and can easily bounce back. Just for comparison's sake, a 31 year-old Todd Helton had a -2.7 UZR in 2004. He rebounded to average a +2.6 UZR over the next three seasons ages 32-34. Now Helton is just one example, and no comparison is perfect, but it gives a better idea than "oh my god Pena has lost it."
Is there a chance Pena has declined defensively? Sure, but as we know defensive metrics aren't perfect and it's better to look at a few years instead of just one. Over the past three seasons, he has been an above average defender. I can't count the amount of times he's saved his fellow infielders as well as show amazing reflexes on scorching line drives.
The Rays have Pena under contract through 2010. At that time Pena will be 32 going on 33. One would think he would have a few good years left in his bat. Pat Burrell's contract also runs through 2010. If Pena has declined that much defensively, the Rays could seriously look at Los as a DH; or at least that's my hope. I'm not one for sappy/happy endings, but I'd love to see Carlos Pena end his career in Tampa Bay. Hopefully, he and the Rays do too.
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Its gonna be sad if/when Carlos leaves for FA
Same with Crawford. I just cant see Crawford in another uni but its very realistic that he is going to have to leave with Jennings/Joyce on their way up and way cheaper. I think we have to make a realistic push to sign both, but after 2010 I think unless Pena just goes off or does nothing we have to resign him with some money coming off the books in Burrell.
by Jombari on Jul 3, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's where it gets sticky
i’m guessing the Rays will be in contention in 2010, so do you trade them during the ’10 season, after this year, or let them walk and get a draft pick?
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Crawford this off-season and let Pena walk after 2010.
by Suttree on Jul 3, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Crawford is worth signing
3/$40m?
Don’t let anyone walk, big mistake, ask the Indians about that, Thome, Belle, Ramirez and Vizquel
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances Carl would sign for that?
I’d love to have Carl at a reasonable price, but it’s not going to happen.
Teams are going to covet Carl and we won’t be able to sign him for anything less than the Johnny Damon deal. With Matt Joyce and Desmond Jennings in the minors, we can replace him (maybe not quite as effectively, but certainly not trading Carl for a black hole in left) and re-stock the farm system so that we can extend our run at the World Series for 2-3 extra years.
by Suttree on Jul 3, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but nearly everyone oakland let go suffered a serious decline when they left. Mulder, Hudson, Zito, Giambi, Tejada...
by walkoffwalk on Jul 3, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, Giambi wasn't a huge decline and Tejada had a few good years.
But, yeah – get what prospects you can for guys, especially when you have assets to quickly replace them, which is something Oakland didn’t have.
They probably should have traded Chavvy while they were at it. =p
by Suttree on Jul 3, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the one guy they kept became a bust -- Chavez.
by walkoffwalk on Jul 3, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chavez makes me fearful for Longo.
3B, great hitter, great glove, tendency to get banged up, tendency to whiff on bad pitches…
by Suttree on Jul 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That team was so freaking stacked
By stacked I mean juiced
SOSH AUCTION to K ALS
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 3, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We stand to lose about $14 million in payroll after this year
Aki (5), Percy (4), Izzy (.750)Bradford (3.25)Kapler (1), Navi (2) and epending on a couple others, more
i know there are several who get bumps but still
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he ain't coming back at $2 million dollars
navi needs to have a huge 2nd half to save his roster spot
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, after next year.
The Rays have always chosen the trade over the picks, which may have something to do with the amount of money it takes to sign a top-5 pick and an additional top ~30 pick, and another two in the top ~60.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In theory.
If Pena, Burrell, and Crawford can all reach Type-A status, we could have six first/supplemental round picks, plus our own.
Um, wow.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather get another team's already somewhat proven prospects
I doubt you come up with a LaPorta, Brantley and Santana, in one draft, by one team
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can get a Teixeira like deal, take it.
But you aren’t. Otherwise Matt Holliday and Jason Bay would’ve gotten a bigger return.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute, at the time, you said the Pirates got a boatload for Bay
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They got a nice package for him, yes.
They didn’t get a Teixeira deal though.
In retrospect, lumping the Holliday and Bay deal together was poor wording on my part. I’d rank them Teixeira >> Bay >>> Holliday. Any deal built primarily around a non-elite reliever is lacking.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Street?
Refresh me on wjo the Braves got for Tex
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's talking about who Texas got from the Braves
They got C Jarrod Saltalamacchia and four prospects, SS Elvis Andrus, RHP Neftali Feliz, LHP Matt Harrison, and LHP Beau Jones. Feliz and Andrus are both probably in the top 5 prospects in the Rangers’ system. Harrison has already cracked the rotation, and Jones is in the Rangers bullpen.
by nolesblogger on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pena and Burrell have nearly identical skillsets.
The advantages Pena has are:
- Age
- Glove that fits
- Smile
- Left-handed
I guess if he comes cheap enough, but honestly, we should probably just find the new Carlos Pena.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 3, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We have no one in our system now, even close at 1B
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1B is a pretty easy position to pick up scrap heaps and get production out of.
See: Carlos Pena, Russell Branyan
by Suttree on Jul 3, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd be awfully dissapointed if we settled on a Branyan
this is the first time he’s able to hit LHP with consistency, and i doubt he keeps it up
It’ll be hard to find someone from the ‘scrap heap’ to match Pena’s production
by Raymondo on Jul 3, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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