What a Jason Frasor Type Means to the Rays
Time to address what another reliever would bring to the team.
Let's take Jason Frasor. 2.47 FIP so far, ZiPS has him at 2.96 moving forward. Toronto's usage has left him with a 1.36 pLI this year, which would rank second on the Rays, just ahead of Dan Wheeler and essentially equal to Chad Bradford. Thanks to those two factors, Frasor has been worth 1.2 wins this season. For comparison, Wheeler has a 4.31 FIP and 1.21 pLI but has only been worth 0.2 WAR.
Relievers are ultimately valueless in comparison to other positions. J.P. Howell has been awesome and he's still shy of 2 WAR. Last year he was awesome and finished with 1.5 WAR. We expected Cliff Lee to give us about 1.5 WAR heading forward, let's take a look at the amount of relievers who finished with 1.5 for the entire season over the years:
2008: 18
2007: 22
2006: 20
That means expecting anything close to that for someone like Frasor is ludicrous. If Frasor simply pitches 30 innings for the Rays at his current rate, he'll be worth about a win for the team, but here's the caveat: he won't. A) He's not going to pitch the highest leveraged innings as he did during Scott Downs absence, and B) He's unlikely to pitch as well. That means you should expect even less than a win from perhaps the best relief option available.
Someone like Frasor would help the Rays, but has no illusions of him being overly necessary.
There's an entire chain of events that could happen if the Rays acquire someone like Frasor that I didn't get into. Since he's only here for a year and a third, and Howell is entering arbitration, the Rays could save money by shifting Howell back to relief ace status and implementing Frasor in the 9th. Or Frasor could take some high leverage innings as the Rays ‘platoon' relievers based on match-ups. There's also the impact of having less Dan Wheeler (or whomever) in high leverage spots which plays a factor, and the price that Frasor would require in prospects.
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/gives you death
Support the Type Strong Movement, Like This Little Lady Does
Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 30, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For a taco salad?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be a huge win.
Friedman could even eat the taco salad at the press conference.
by Suttree on Jul 30, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good deal to me
According to scouts a taco salad has 12000 calories (Source)
This is above both Wheeler and Shouse’s career averages (although somewhat less than Troy Percival), but considering the salary difference, it’s a huge upgrade for the team.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 30, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love Frasor--is he the goofy looking one or is that League?
by Raymondo on Jul 30, 2009 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm guessing Frasor

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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's the one with the tatoos and Maddon glasses?
by Raymondo on Jul 30, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
League
He’s goth Brian Stokes
by Marky Mark's Third Nipple on Jul 30, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those glasses' mission is ruining League's vision.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
come on people.
this rhymed and everything.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A man of elegance, you are.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 30, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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I thought it was funny that this came up

I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 30, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT:Per Ed Price
Sherrill’s a Dodger—that’s good news
by Raymondo on Jul 30, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
means nothing if we don't close the black hole sucking all this teams life that is Burrell/Pena
the two spokespeople for that national chapter of “how to strike out all the time like an inept piece of garbage” are dragging this team down. it’s time to bite the bullet and sit Burrell down, bring up ANYONE from AAA to DH, and play Aybar at 1B. even with a dropoff in D, Pena’s D has been bad enough this year that the difference will be minimal and the stats at the plate should more then make up for any loss if there is some…
by davidsmarch on Jul 30, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
.360 wOBA from Pena
and its around .340 against lefties
I don’t see the issue
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.257 in july, only ahead of Hernandez
by davidsmarch on Jul 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And one month makes you think he's done?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, i still have faith in Pena
my real gripe is with Burrell…
by davidsmarch on Jul 30, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been out all day--do we still suck?
Into the Wall : Sarcasm for the Soccer Guy
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 30, 2009 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So can the official trade deadline thread start at midnight or do we have to wait until later tomorrow.
by Dbullsfan on Jul 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's going up at midnight.
I just posted something to hold you over.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 30, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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