Tampa Bay Rays 2009 MLB Trade Deadline Thread Part One
by Tommy Rancel on Jul 31, 2009 6:51 AM EDT
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PrintAfter weeks of speculation and rosterbation, the MLB non-waiver trade deadline day is upon us. If you've been following along with DRaysBay's coverage you already know all the names and what potential impact they could have. If you are new or need to catch up here's a few of the more recent links...
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While the rumor mill has been in full gear over the last two deadlines, the Rays historically have not been big players on the actual day of the deadline. In the Andrew Friedman Era, there has only been one trade actually made on July 31st.
2006 - Acquired INF Joel Guzman and non-roster OF Sergio Pedroza from the Dodgers in exchange for SS Julio Lugo.
The only other deadline day deal the Rays have made since 2001 was in 2003 when they traded relief pitcher Al Levine for cash.
Let this open thread serve as DRB's hub for all the rumors and last minute rumblings as we expect to hear names like Victor Martinez, Roy Halladay as well as some bullpen arms to be mentioned as possibilities for the Rays. If a trade is made, we have enlisted some extra help to ensure a separate post with instant analysis gets up as soon as possible.
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MUCH higher than that
i’d put it around 75%
shap’s under pressure to cut payroll, there’s no compelling reason to keep vic around for the rest of 2009, and his value is going to be considerably lower if traded in the offseason.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
How do you feel about the Lee trade?
I haven’t looked at any of the spects named so please clue me in
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
We’re used to Shapiro doing rather well… if not making outright heists at the trading deadline, so this one is somewhat less than that. Hard to say… prospects are more valuable, economy worse. I don’t hate it, but … at this point, I’d just as soon as we get as much value for Victor and go forward. What do you guys honestly think? We’re not getting Davis or Bregniac … who else would be in play?
hellickson and jennings would be the first two names that come to mind
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Neither will be traded
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
no offense, but i really don’t understand how y’all expect to land anybody of significance if you aren’t willing to give up even 2nd tier prospects like hell-boy and jennings
not trying to say that’s what you personally want. . . i’m assuming you were just making a prediction
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Desmond Jennings is our best prospect.
You are insane.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
To be fair though: Jennings was hurt last year and that hurt him on the lists.
So I can understand why you would think he’s lower in the org.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions
And I just used hurt twice in one sentence.
I’m going to sleep.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Hellickson and Jennings aren't 2nd tier prospects
they may be our #1 and #2 prospects going into next season.
Davis for V-Mar
and thats if Shapiro’s brain grew since yesterday
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
If we wind up keeping Davis, Brignac and most others
and get 1 of our top targets
fuckin Friedman’d
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
How does the crack taste tonight?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm about 95% sure you won't get either Hellickson or Jennings
Moore and Beckham are off limits too most likely. After that who knows.
You realize both are more highly touted than Davis/Brignac, right?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
since when has hellickson been more highly touted than davis? that’s news to me, and every other tribe fan
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
ok. fine by me. i’m saying realistically, shapiro is going to be asking for hellickson or jennings. i was already under the assumption that davis was off limits, which is why i didn’t mention his name.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I find that highly, highly unlikely.
Tools Whore
There's a reason you're hearing other teams
asking for Davis all deadline long and not Hellickson.
Tools Whore
Davis isn't off limits.
Neither is Brignac.
Our prospect list looks something like this:
1. Jennings
2. Beckham
3. Hellickson
4. Davis
5. Brignac
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
ok
interesting. that wasn’t my perception, but i’m probably operating with some outdated information. i don’t follow your farm system terribly closely, aside from the baseball america/baseball prospectus write-ups.
pitching is obviously going to be shapiro’s priority, so yeah, he’s going to ask for davis or hellickson. i’d be happy with either as the centerpiece of a deal.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Davis will be your target
BTW, it’s okay to use the title box here
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i see that. it's a big faux paus over at LGT
so i’m avoiding it out of habit.
what happened with davis this year? i thought he was universally considered your #2 pitching prospect (after price). obviously his AAA numbers aren’t so pretty this year (especially that decrease in K rate). any idea what’s going on?
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Hellickson has more passed him than Davis has dropped
I know we as fans over-value our own but Hellickson may be a top 15 overally guy next year. He has dominated AAA so far in 2 starts.
Plus, Davis's walks are a bit unsettling
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I think a lot depends on what we end up getting for Kazmir
if we can land a prospect you guys really like than Davis prolly isn’t in the deal if not than we would most likely keep the spect we get for Kaz and send Davis to you guys.
We're not trading Kaz
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
We might in order to clear room for V-Mart
Otherwise, Kaz stays
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Actually
Pena would be most likely traded in that scenario
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right now where could we move Pena though?
AA really are getting their hopes up that they can get Crawford, the crack is all of the counter I guess
Kaz's new walk up music is going to start
“Back up in yo ass with the resurrection.”
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions
so you think davis is a realistic target?
i think the general impression among tribe fans is that davis was said to be off-limits in the lee trade discussions, so we’ve just assumed that would be the case if we moved victor
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Davis is so not off limits its funny
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
like I said above
Davis wasn’t off limit if we could get both Lee and Martinez, now for only Martinez I’m not so sure. I’m sure AF would rather give up a guy like Jon Niese if we can work a trade with NY but given Hellickson’s development Davis does become tradeable.
hmm
well, thanks everyone for the input. i’m off to bed—hopefully the front offices can hammer something out that works for both teams. fingers crossed that i’ll wake up tomorrow and hear rumors of davis coming to cleveland.
by Cap'n Snegiryov on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Woooooooooooooooooo
Rusted Root is fucking awesome, so are cheap beers and hippie chicks
Lets trade for Pujols
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
Just for fun, Friedman and Company: A History.
07/02/09 Cleveland Indians traded John Meloan to Tampa Bay Rays.
07/02/09 Tampa Bay Rays traded RHP Winston Abreu to Cleveland Indians.
07/02/09 Tampa Bay Rays signed RHP Joaquin Santamaria.
08/31/08 Acquired C Michael Hernandez from the Pittsburgh Pirates for cash considerations.
08/31/08 Acquired INF Jorge Velandia from the Cleveland Indians for cash considerations.
08/07/08 Acquired RHP Chad Bradford from the Baltimore Orioles in exchange for a player to be named.
04/22/08 Acquired OF Gabe Gross from the Brewers in exchange for RHP Josh Butler
01/17/08 Traded LHP Jeff Ridgway to the Atlanta Braves for INF Willy Aybar and INF Chase Fontaine.
12/03/07 Traded OF Elijah Dukes to the Nationals in exchange for LHP Glenn Gibson.
11/28/07 Acquired RHP Matt Garza, SS Jason Bartlett and RHP Eduardo Morlan from the Minnesota Twins for OF Delmon Young, INF Brendan Harris and OF Jason Pridie.
11/28/07 Traded RHP Brian Stokes to the New York Mets in exchange for cash considerations
11/21/07 Traded OF Chris Snelling to the Phillies for cash considerations.
07/28/07 Acquired RHP Calvin Medlock, LHP Brian Shackelford and future considerations from the Reds in exchange for INF Jorge Cantu, OF Shaun Cumberland and cash. traded RHP Seth McClung to the Brewers for RHP Grant Balfour; traded INF/OF Ty Wigginton to the Astros for RHP Dan Wheeler
02/13/07 Traded Minor League OF Andrew Lopez and Minor League RHP Gregory Reinhard to the Cubs in exchange for RHP Jae Kuk Ryu
01/02/07 Acquired INF Brendan Harris from the Cincinnati Reds in exchange for a PTBN or cash
12/12/06 Claimed LHP Bobby Livingston off waivers from the Mariners and traded him to the Phillies for cash.
12/07/06 Traded OF Ryan Goleski to the Oakland Athletics for cash considerations
09/15/06 Acquired nonroster RHP Dale Thayer from the Padres as the PTBN
08/24/06 Acquired RHP Evan Meek from the San Diego Padres and either a player to be named later or cash for INF Russell Branyan
07/31/06 Acquired INF Joel Guzman and nonroster OF Sergio Pedroza from the Dodgers in exchange for SS Julio Lugo
07/12/06 Acquired RHP Mitch Talbot and SS Ben Zobrist from the Houston Astros in exchange for 3B Aubrey Huff and cash.
06/27/06 Acquired C Dioner Navarro, RHP Jae Seo and a PTBN from the Dodgers in exchange for C Toby Hall, LHP Mark Hendrickson and cash.
06/20/06 Obtained LHP J.P. Howell from the Kansas City Royals for OF Joey Gathright and 2B Fernando Cortez.
04/28/06 Acquired RHP Tyler Walker from the San Francisco Giants in exchange for RHP Carlos Hines
04/06/06 Acquired RHP Marcos Carvajal from the Mariners for nonroster RHP Jose De La Cruz
01/14/06 Acquired RHP Edwin Jackson and LHP Chuck Tiffany from the Dodgers in exchange for RHP Danys Baez and RHP Lance Carter.
12/19/05 Acquired C Josh Paul from the Angels for nonroster 3B Travis Schlichting.
12/07/05 Acquired 3B Sean Burroughs from the San Diego Pardres in exchange for RHP Dewon Brazelton.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
if you delete Dukes from that list
Will it never happen?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Forgot one important one...How could I?
12/10/08 Acquired OF Matt Joyce from the Detroit Tigers in exchange for RHP Edwin Jackson.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions
01/17/08 Traded LHP Jeff Ridgway to the Atlanta Braves for INF Willy Aybar and INF Chase Fontaine.
Friedman’d
06/20/06 Obtained LHP J.P. Howell from the Kansas City Royals for OF Joey Gathright and 2B Fernando Cortez.
:)
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
that was the super powers trade
JP-Iceman
JG- The Jumper
FC- Man who gets traded and ends up with his original franchise a level down 3 years later.
I really would rather not have any more LHP in the division
11:05pm: Executives from three teams that have spoken with the Mariners tell ESPN.com’s Buster Olney that they get the sense the Mariners won’t move Washburn.
10:33pm: Heyman says the Yankees and Mariners are now “talking Washburn.” The Yankees won’t part with Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Austin Jackson, Austin Romine or Jesus Montero, but with those exceptions, Heyman says the M’s have their pick of Yankees prospects.
(from MLBTR)
Oh my, I hope they don't get Washburn.
Don’t want that experience in the Yankees clubhouse. Heh. Nope. No way.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I want the Yanks or Sox to get Washburn
and he turns back into 2008 Washburn
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
Some of them may just stay up til 4 tomorrow
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Billy Beane is banging a midget, a Milf, and a pony as we speak
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we still suck?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
Expect me to ask that question multiple times in the next 18 hours
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Faaaaaaaail
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
from Rosenthal/Morosi
The Marlins are waiting to hear if the Nationals will accept their offer for first baseman Nick Johnson, according to major-league sources.
The proposed deal would send Class AAA right-hander Ryan Tucker to Washington, with the Nationals paying part of the approximately $1.8 million remaining on Johnson’s contract.
somewhat relevant b/c if we do trade Pena I would love to get Nick Johnson
Adam Wainwright of the Braves
eh…
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
To be fair
He’s seemed to have difficulty any ML pitching, so that answer is akin to picking one of ~360 names out of a hat
Go to bed, man
We got a long way to go this day
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BBTN saying that Jayson Stark has heard RedSox in talks on a 3 way deal
that would bring them Martinez.
from stark
The Boston Red Sox and the Cleveland Indians are discussing a three-way trade Thursday night that would send Victor Martinez to Boston, Clay Buchholz to Cleveland and prospects flying in all directions, according to clubs that spoke to both teams.
The Red Sox also would attempt to move recently acquired Adam LaRoche, either to a third team or in a companion deal, to make room for Martinez in their lineup, one source said.
more here
third team is probably pitt
with boston giving them LaRoche back
Actually it seems they are going after Adrian Gonzalez very hard
Buccholz, Lars Anderson and others
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
also from the stark article.
the meantime, the Red Sox don’t appear to be the only team talking to the Indians about Martinez. There were also indications Thursday that Cleveland was still having conversations with Tampa Bay. The Indians were heavily scouting the Rays’ system and had multiple scouts watching their triple-A Durham team.
was about to post that
Was nice to read and the article says they arent close to getting Gonzalez or Doc
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
WAIT, NOT NIFTY, THAT MEANS HELLBOY
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I was just about to say that
I really hope Hellickson wasn’t who they were scouting .
maybe it was Desalvo :)
Maybe they were checking if Davis had the "good face"
or scouting Brignac
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
that would be hilarious if they wen't after Brignac
they can just load up on MLB ready SS under the age of 24
Can we just give them Briggy, McGee, and someone else?
…..please?
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Barnese, Kang
give me a dotted line to sign
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
All i know is that if we lose Jennings
I will be extremely irritated
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I want Mauer instead
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I wouldnt worry about that
I can’t see Hellickson, Jennings or Beckham going anywhere
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Holy shit, the Yankees Failfense made a return
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 AM EDT reply actions
DANG!
From mlbtraderumors.com:
The Red Sox and Indians discussed a three-way deal Thursday night that would send Victor Martinez to Boston and Clay Buchholz to Cleveland, according to ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. The deal would include a third team and send prospects in all directions.
The Red Sox and Indians contacted other teams to find a match.
You. Are. Late
We’re also talking to the Tribe, per the same Jayson Stark article
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lol
I know that, I just thought that we were gonna be the team to get him.
Do we consider Hellboy rather than Davis if it comes to that?
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Friedman pulls his classic sound smart but tell us nothing thing
from our fav site, the heater
Executive VP Andrew Friedman said Thursday night: "The final hours before the deadline often breed creative thoughts, and we expect to be in the middle of that brainstorming. Whether anything happens, major or minor, is impossible to predict."
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
That's some fine report'n there Lou,
SPTimesRays: Still sounds quiet on trade front for #Rays. http://tinyurl.com/kptvtf
Sign lady must die.
Couple of questions
- If we happen to make a move for V-Mart, what does that mean for Navi and Michel? I assume Michel gets sent down, and Navi becomes the bench player/platoon guy when V-Mart plays at first. Is that right?
- This will sound like a ridiculous question, but I’m serious. With Kaz and his excuses (the crowd, mechanics, not enough cotton candy), will his name being mentioned to other teams cause him to shut it down the rest of the season? Basically, put like a little bitch?
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Kaz's name was being mentioned before his last start
And he went out and shut down the Yankees.
by Erik Hahmann on Jul 31, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Kaz's statement...
I guess this is the quote from last year that everyone is hung up on:
It’s kind of disappointing I guess you could say, coming back home from a road trip and you see maybe 9, 10 thousand fans at the games when we’re in first place and at one time the best record in baseball. It seemed like every home stand there was some type of excuse of why we didn’t get our fans here. If we really had a good fan base that cared about baseball and was a good baseball town, I think they would come out and support us. From what we’re doing right now I think it’s pretty special and I think it would be nice to have that 10th man out there to support us when we get home.
I don’t see the issue. It’s the same thing everyone on every Rays site says after ever game. If Kaz struggles it’ll because he’s pitching like early ’09. I see no reason for Operation Shutdown.
Or
Kaz could pitch like a wildman the rest of the way, putting the team on his back in a way that Garza has only hinted at & Shields has attempted without much success.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Completely possible
No way to measure his psyche i guess
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I'm not sure if this is English, but I can't tell what you are trying to say.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Could this make us the Martinez frontrunner?
6:45am: Mark Feinsand and Bill Madden of the New York Daily News say the Red Sox are in “full pursuit” of Gonzalez, and believe Boston could get Heath Bell too if they’re willing to include pitcher Daniel Bard. Also, Sean McAdam of the Boston Herald confirms that the Red Sox are more interested in Gonzalez than Victor Martinez.
VMart Update
SI_JonHeyman#mets spoke briefly about victor martinez but wont part with mejia, holt or niese. #redsox, #rays more active with v-mart.
Pssst.
Arsene Wenger is refusing to splash the cash from the sale of Emmanuel Adebayor and Kolo Toure, insisting Arsenal are strong enough.
More VMart from Rosenthal
But as Friday began, the Indians were pessimistic about their chances of trading catcher Victor Martinez — perhaps an indication that the Red Sox were making progress in their efforts to land Padres first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, perhaps not.
Oh boy
If the Sox land Gonzalez….in that park….yikes.
Andrew Friedman and Theo Epstein may get in a knife fight
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
there will basically be 2 teixeira's in our division
awesome
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Teixeira > Gonzalez
I like Gonzalez a lot, but he has never OPS’d over .900 until this year. Mostly due to his walks being way up which I think is because the rest of their lineup is so bad that nobody pitches to him.
Kap-rilla???
Or because of that enormous park he plays in...
Away OPS by Year for Adrian:
2006: .905
2007: .928
2008: .946
2009: .970
Thanks
I was about to look that up. And its not like that gay Pesky Pole out there gives lefties an extra 10 HR’s or anything. The man will hit 40+ HR’s in a full, injury free year at Fenway.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
RJ odds of getting
Martinez
Frasor
other bullpen arm
Losing
Pena
Kazmir
Prsopect )who)
Pena needs to go all 2007 for us the rest of the way
Geez looking at that year I always forget just how unbelievable it was.
In 490AB he hit 46HRs had an OBP over .400 slugged over .600. Wow not bad for a guy who only made the team because of an injury
Kap-rilla???
I'll take 2008 Pena at this point.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
It'd be great if VMart is the everyday catcher...
Because VMart – Navarro > Pena – Aybar
But the improvement is not nearly as great if VMart becomes the first baseman.
I think a catcher is more important
Our starting rotation is much better than they’ve been playing
by Albertrayon on Jul 31, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I want VMart just so we can prove or disprove the theory of locker room chemistry
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions
Martinez would blend in well at this time
Take a look at his numbers the last month or so
So you must be super high on Navarro?
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
And VMarts was excellent
Its the same thing
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Other than the Maddon confrontation, I don't think Martinez has ever been considered a bad guy.
And apparently they patched it up over the All-Star break.
Martinez is known as a great clubhouse guy
He is one of the most well like guys in MLB. At least that is what Peter Gammons was saying last week. He is supposedly a tremendous leader.
by Tamparays01 on Jul 31, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Gammons talking up a guy who may be a Red Sock soon
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Ok I'm awake
Did we trade for Doc yet?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Fucking awesome
What did we give up?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
i think you are lying to me and I dont appreciate it
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Just like--oh, wait, I have 6 more hours before I can do that without being boxed
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
old, lame
and lets see all the jokes at 4, good luck with that
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I keep a notebook of them now
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Once I get off this conference call, lets have a pow-wow
Start up a Google Spreadsheet, fatigue.xls
Support the Type Strong Movement, Like This Little Lady Does
Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
This isn't funny, it's annoying, stop it.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Is it just the inferiority complex talking or...
does the idea of getting A. Gonzalez suddenly sound more sexy than V-Mart. Like a kid at Christmas who is jealous over his brother’s presents, if the Sox get Gonzo I will be very envious.
Gonzo is younger, cheaper, and put up better numbers in the epitome of pitcher's parks
V-Mart isn’t a catcher and has had up and down seasons for the last few years. This isn’t a fantasy team where we could just put him at catcher because he qualifies.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd absolutely love to get Gonzo
Platoon Pena/Burrell or trade Pena altogether
We got the chips to do it.
I think it may cost too much, but at some point we have to do something about the excess in our system,.
Gonz will make roughly 10M over 2010 and 2011
Pena/Burrell will make 19M next year. just food for thought
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
It would be absolutely sick. Too bad nothing linking us with that trade.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
2.33333 years of Gonzo is worth Davis, Brignac, & Sonny/Neimann
If not more. I like your idea of Pena/Burrell platoon DH with Pena at first once in a while.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
What are the Sox rumored to be offering?
That same old tired deal of Bucholz, Bowden, and another arm? Nobody else wanted to give anything up for that, I’m hoping Whale’s Vagina isn’t that dumb.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Davis and Niemann together should net a heck of a lot
Sonny is really undervalued. Niemann and Sonny both ahve a track record of being an above average ML starter. I guess we could debate that, but they are at least average at worst. I don’t get the infatuation with getting prospects that if they pan out would be exactly like Niemann and Sonny. It is one thing if the prospect has a great chance at being a star, but take a guy like Carlos Carrasco. Would anyone really believe he is going to be better than Niemann or Sonny? Odds are he will be the same or worse.
I'm not talking about quality, but quanity.
Teams want at least three pitching prospects in a deal, so a the minimum you’d need to include another pitcher with Davis and Sonny to make it work.
Thats fine
I’m all about quantity.
Hey give them our buddy Aneury. Or hell Mitch Talbot. We have tons of those mid level arms that teams seem to trade for.
Heath Rollins
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Noooooooooooo
Well ok, if it’s for A-Gon
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Have you seen his season?
K% down to 14.31% from 23% a yr ago at the same level
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
His name is Heath Rollins
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
He has a cool name
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
That should bloster his trade value
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I want Gonzo for the next 2+ years
I don’t care if his name was Rick McCool MAKE IT HAPPEN.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Did you know his first name is Lewis?
Lewis Rollins, I love double last names
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
He's a black man right
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Negative Ghost Rider
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
i wasn't gonna say it
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Korean?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
God our pitching riches is borderline ridiculous
I love depth and I know they aren’t all going to pan out, but come on. We really need to shift our assets around to maximize this organization. Having all this talent situated in starting pitching in the minors just isn’t very efficient.
Trading for a 30 year old C/1B
isn’t exactly efficient either
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
It is all about maximizing the organization
Trading for Vmart could be. It all depends on what we give up and the opportunity cst of it. The point is ifwe never trade we are going to get Hammel’d a few times. I’d rather slightly overpay for Vmart, Lee, Gonzo, Halladay than get Hammel’d in a couple years.
Gonzo doesn't belong in the same conversations as the other 3
…he is in a completly different situation
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
We just have to give up more
I’m okay with that. Thats not the angle I’m taking. I’m saying if we do not move some of our prospects then we are going to be backed into a corner at some point. I’d much rather trade them now than trade them later when we have no leverage.
Hell I’d be okay if Friedman sswapped some of our pitching prospects for positional prospects. We just have to do something with our pitching prospects before we are backed into that corner.
Other than 1B
What positional prospects are we in dire need of?
There are 31 other teams that wish they were in the ‘problem’ that we have.
By putting the word problem in quotes I mean it is not a problem but a blessing.
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
1B and Catcher would be most dire
I’d love to see the Rays try to get Smoak or Alonso. Or any of the other young first basemen in the minors (or a guy that would convert).
well in the theory of trading for Gonzalez
we would get something in return for Pena, who we would have to trade. So whatever that is will prolly be inluded.
Look at how pretty this is
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to stick a pic in here to muck up the thread, but check this shizzle
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Is it me or....
Do we really overvalue Davis and/or do other teams really undervalue him?
It just seems that we should be a far biggest player in these trades with that chip that we are willing to part with. Do other teams just not like him that much?
what team was he on?
AA?
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Weird--per MILB
In 119 ABs in Charlotte, 25 hits, 9 walks.
In 118 ABs in Montgomery, 25 hits, 18 walks
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
The best thing bad hitters can do to equalize things is take as many pitches as possible.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
He got off to a very rough start in AA but had been picking it up.
June OPS .532
July OPS .739
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Meh so far 2 hits last night
.227/.294/.341
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
So Far So Good, Whats not to like?
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
RJ, you're not being clear enough.
It’s Jarrod Fucking Washburn.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
MLB Network Deadline show is on
I dont even wanna hear “Red Sox”
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good call, they have it on mlb.com for free
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
odds we would make a sick deal to swoop in and get Gonz?
15%? 25%?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
.005%
Odds we get V-Mart?
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Yeah
even lower than I would give to the chance of us getting Doc
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
you have got to let go
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
if he isnt a Ray at 4:01
I will give up for good, promise!
Really want Wuertz/Frasor and V-Mart
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
super awesome and radical all at the same time
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
everyone is mourning Sir Bobby Robson
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
IS ANDREW EVEN IN THE OFFICE TODAY???
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
No news
Have sex with her and watch TV at the same time
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We've been together too long for that
I would have to bribe her with watching that dumbass real housewives show if I want the tv on.
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, making jokes at joeybw's expense is verbooten
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
OT: Any movement on the DRB shirt ideas?
"What the hell is a Labradoddle?"
by davelrogers on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
mlb.com has a free stream of their deadline show
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That sounds pretty tiring
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Only if you're the bottom
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweep the leg suttree
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Suttree "Powerbottom" Weinstein
SECRET’S OUT
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Sweet number tattoo brah
numbers are the new barbed wire
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Do I look good?
I’ve been trying this new diet fad – it’s called not being allowed to eat anything other than the rats I can catch.
Yeah, but you stink, take a shower.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't you be working right now?
I’m told it makes you free
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
its not even after 4
lying? Shocking!
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I wish I understood these jokes.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Jesus Christ, that was enough to ban me? You fucks.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Explain the jokes, dammit. I want to be banned, too.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
He's from Rhode Island?
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He refuses to cut a mohawk in his head because he is afraid the hair won't grow back
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
TERMINAL Rocco Disease
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
That whole "no baiting joeybw" thing really stopped you guys!
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if I'm going to get banned, might as well make it worth it.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you bait us more than the reverse brah
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
I would LOVE to know how I ever bait you guys
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You wore that one skimpy top and Suttree almost lost it
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, there was that time you made up having that disease
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
ok so thats still all you have
was making sure
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually think we have a higher shot at Gonzo than Vmart
If anything I’d love to see Friedman swap some of our pitching prospects for positional prospects. This needs to be done if we aren’t going to get MLB players.
Like try to get Smoak for Davis and ???. Or Alonso?
Just try to balance out the system a bit…
Are you serious
Gonzo would be nice but the Pads would want an ‘untouchable’ in return.
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Are we even rumored to have interest
in Gonzo?
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Who cares
We’re the Gordon Edes of the Blogoshpere, making shit up as we go along. If you scream it loud enough, enough times, maybe we can convince the Pad’s that it’s true.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Well fuck
Lets get Gonzalez in a Rays uniform and far away from Boston!!
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
MAKE THIS HAPPEN ANDY
JESUS QUIT TWIDDLING YOUR THUMBS AND LETS KICK SOME ASS HERE!!!!!!!!!!
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
same team that wanted Sean West and Andrew Miller for Bell
I do NOT wanna know what Gonzo would cost
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
My statement had more to do with me thinking the Vmart train has passed
If we haven’t come to a deal yet with the Tribe then I don’t see it happening. I doubt the Rays have even talked to the Padres yet, so if they started then I could see something having the potential to happen.
I think you have it backwards
I think V-Mart to Sox train has passed and they want Gonzalez
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I will seriously be thrilled if we could somehow do a Davis for one of the top 1Bs in the minors
I’d even toss somebody else in. Just to fill some holes and then not cause us to force our hand next year.
Smoak is going nowhere
He is a switch hitting version of Adrian Gonazlez
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Plus
it’s not like the Rangers are in the market for more prospects
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
It isn't just Smoak
Davis + Brignac for Alvarez
I’m just throwing things out there obviously. The point is to readjust our assets to make a more balanced organization
He demolishes the ball with the same efficiency as a buffet
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
And...
Without knowing his K-rate this means nothing to me
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Possibly
I’m just throwing names out there. I’m just talking in general about what Friedman needs to do to allow our farm system to properly replenish the big club.
Do you not recall the Braves being good for a really long time
there was a reason for that…Maddux was obviously a FA
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Depends if you believe anyone still becase he was rumored to being close to being a Jay
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Would Halladay approve a trade to Texas?
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
well he wants to win
they have a much better shot than the Jays
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Everybody has a price
Davis + Barnese + someone else could get Smoak
My point is if we do not trade somebody soon then we are going to essentially give up Sonny + Talbot + someone else for literally a bag of golf balls. I’d rather overpay now for someone that has true value than just get a golf balls we can hit at the driving range.
How did you determine Smoak's "true value" already?
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I didn't determine his true value. I said he is going to have value
Smoak will be in the major leagues. He will be an asset.
I think you are being shortsighted. Again I’ll repeat the whole point of what I’m talking about is so we do not get Hammel’d. Right now we have leverage with our pitching prospects. As time passes we won’t have nearly that type of leverage. Their value will drop. Take a look at Sonnanstine. He has a career 4.2 FIP in the major leagues and he is nearly freaking worthless. We are far better trading our guys when they have value than waiting until that value drops.
I don’t think you understand our logjam at SP in the coming years. We are going to have to move 4 or 5 guys in the coming years. At least 2 by the start of next season. Sure wec can let them rot, but that is a horrible waste of value.
Did Jason Hammel sleep with your GF
you seem kind of hung up on that, it was not that big of a mistake
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
It is a figure of speech
When you give away a player due to lack of leverage it is now being alled a Hammel.
Not dissimilar from being Munson'd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Next year are we going to an 8 man rotation?
Shields, Garza, Kazmir, Niemann, Price, Sonnanstine, Talbot, and Davis?
4 man please with a well stocked BP
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
For 2010 that would be the best scenario
But it is a horrible waste of value. 4 man rotation and then trade all the excess would be far more value maximizing than having the uber stud filled bullpen
How are you already predicting
Talbot and Davis in the majors next year…have you learned nothing from Price
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
DON'T BE SO BOLD!
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Do the Mets have a front line pitching prospect
that Shapiro would accept?
Not in the Top 100
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Plus
it’s not like the Rangers are in the market for more prospects
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
100%
Chances we get Frasor?
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Hellickson wouldn't fit in with the SD culture.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Who is Hellickson?
I know of only Narwhal.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
We could just nickname Gonzo "The Unicorn"
in order to keep a player that possesses a magical tusk.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Im about to start searching for a really gay unicorn song
in order to change your mind
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you implying that Narwhal song was gay
I will ban you so fucking hard if you answer this wrong.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
By gay
I meant fucking awesome. You know, theyre interchangeable and shit
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
I haven't banned anyone yet and probably won't
That song just seemed like a drug infused good time. Have you ever seen the Narwhal song…on 8 hits of X?
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
No
but I did freebase and light myself on fire last time I watched it
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
You totally should have talked to Rusted Root last night about covering it
I think they could pull it off
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't really seem their style, I didn end up in the first row by the end of the night with this
hot cougar dancing her old ass off, it was awesome
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
didn = did
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
unless she's leashed by a tiny man in a striped jacket
suttree’s not interested.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I would love to play poker with you.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
god i hate my username.
is there any way to change it?
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Ive seen plenty of women that are leashed. It didnt have to be a horse.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
He made her sleep out in the yard
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew that was coming
so I had “your mom being the other” tucked away
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
But I described a jockey.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya for some reason I didnt really connect the whole "little man in a striped jacket"
to a jockey. Dont ask me what else I thought you were describing
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
raymondo is listening...
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
NAY MEANS YES BITCH
TAKE IT LIKE A GOOD HORSEY
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
The Tigers acquired pitcher Jarrod Washburn from the Mariners, according to Mike Salk of ESPN radio in Seattle.
Goodbye Porcello
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Oh...Oh my god. Jarrod Washburn and Edwin jackson are now in the same rotation. It's....It's beautiful.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
wait dont we have to face the M's?
Eh, I guess we have to face Detroit anyway
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
They would not trade Rick the Prick for Washy
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
That would be stupid.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
ESPN is smart...less than 5 minutes ago
According to ESPN The Magazine’s Buster Olney, executives with three other teams who have spoken to the Mariners say their sense is that Seattle won’t move left-hander Jarrod Washburn. The Yankees and Mariners spoke briefly about a proposal early Thursday afternoon, with the Mariners making a request that did not involve either Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes, but the two sides have not spoken since.
Larry Stone adds in his Seattle Times blog that a “fallback frenzy” might result in Washburn being traded.
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
No FSN up there?
Whats wrong with that place?
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Detroit's about to make another shitty pitcher look amazing.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
Does Comerica suppress RH power?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
French throws like 100 mph
but thats all I got
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Trading Jarrod Washburn
It’s fucking Jarrod Washburn.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Good for Jarrod Washburn
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Yeah
He’s not terribly impressive. I never got all the buzz he got this year and last
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Would be funny if Washburn and Jackson showed their true selves at the same time
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Royals trying to trade Teahan and Bannister
right before our series
how sweet
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
We swept them w/ Teahen and Banny, presumably we can do it without having to come back all 3 games without them
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Teahen play 1B?
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
He can hold a glove and in the spot of any position.
Whether he makes a play or not… different story.
He can hit some...
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
haha
In the new MLB 2K game i got Lee and VMart for like Kaz, Sonny, and some no name
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
His tusk healed my illiteracy.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you guys ever wonder what the hell Hellboy would think
if he read all of this? HE BETTER FUCKING LOVE IT
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Nope
He’s not in that game. It sucks.
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Wash to Tigers hurts a bit
we’ll see him twice most likely
Why?
He’s not good and now he’s out of Safeco.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's not like Comerica is a hitters park
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
rec'd
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
i know he's had a decent year, provide the stats
that show he’s awful
this’ll be good
There's a difference between "Not good" and "awful".
Seriously, park factors matter. He’s having a better season than in the past, but he’s still not as good as people think.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
His whole career
He hasn’t been real good. This years an overachievment
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
i'm not in love with him, but when on he dominates
i saw him do just that to the Yabkees and Indians
Lefty control guy
Those guys don’t have to be good to own us
by Tamparays01 on Jul 31, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
7 IP 5 H 2 ER 9 K 3BB Apr 21
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
He's not very good.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Magary Rules
You listen to me, you fucking retards. You’re just another bunch of asshole fans rooting for another asshole team. And the fact that you think you’re somehow above all that is what makes you utterly insufferable. I hope it turns out the Jason Varitek took HGH in 2004 and once killed a child in a drunken lawnmowing accident.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow well done
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Doumit must be lonely
Only him and Andy Laroche remain as the teams starters at the beginning of the year
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
They can keep Andy
Sorry dude but we got a decent 3B
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Yeah it was directed towards Doumit
I’m in love with our 3B…….
by jacksontsmith on Jul 31, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
he is taken by like 500,000 girls and many men
stand in line
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
So you'd rather face Wasburn twice than
their #5 Sp, wjo lately has been their minor league SP of the day?
No, but Washburn isn't a good pitcher. At all.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
3.75 FIP is pretty good bro
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
6.4% isn't that far off from his career norm to make much of a differnce,
it could just be indicative of a career year.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
He pitches in Safeco.
Again, left-handed fly ball pitchers can look great in that park.
His xFIP is 4.7, his tRA is 5. He’s not good.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
He is overrated. 42%+ FB% with a HR/FB of 6.4%. Mediocre K/BB of 2.39
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right, he's awful what was I thinking
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
agreed
he’s leaving a high clip on base, and has a lucky BABIP, but his FIP says it’s not just a fluke.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
HR rate is lucky, getting out of SafeCo
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Comerica is a pitchers park too
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not death for RHB like SafeCo is
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No.
Season FullName PF
2008 Arizona Diamondbacks 1.05
2008 Atlanta Braves 1.00
2008 Baltimore Orioles 1.01
2008 Boston Red Sox 1.03
2008 Chicago Cubs 1.04
2008 Chicago White Sox 1.04
2008 Cincinnati Reds 1.02
2008 Cleveland Indians 0.99
2008 Colorado Rockies 1.09
2008 Detroit Tigers 1.00
2008 Florida Marlins 0.97
2008 Houston Astros 0.99
2008 Kansas City Royals 1.00
2008 Los Angeles Angels 0.99
2008 Los Angeles Dodgers 0.98
2008 Milwaukee Brewers 1.00
2008 Minnesota Twins 0.98
2008 New York Mets 0.97
2008 New York Yankees 1.00
2008 Oakland Athletics 0.98
2008 Philadelphia Phillies 1.02
2008 Pittsburgh Pirates 0.98
2008 San Diego Padres 0.92
2008 San Francisco Giants 1.01
2008 Seattle Mariners 0.96
2008 St. Louis Cardinals 0.98
2008 Tampa Bay Rays 0.98
2008 Texas Rangers 1.04
2008 Toronto Blue Jays 1.01
2008 Washington Nationals 1.01
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Well it's certainly not a bandbox
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
cliff lee
last year, 5.1%, this year 5.8%, career average 8.5, yet you don’t hear people talking about him as being lucky…
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Are you really comparing Cliff Lee, a groundball guy, to Jarrod Washburn, a fly ball guy?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
you want to talk simply about HR/FB% then yes
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
you realize up until 2 years ago lee was more of a FB pitcher then Washburn
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
you're talking about Washburn as a fluke
and Lee only has one fluke year on him, is all i’m saying.
by davidsmarch on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
2 years is kind of too long to argue SSS
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I did a study on GB raises.
If it’s 10%+ it’s usually a new skill/pitch.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
RIght
so its kind of tough to argue 2 years of these new numbers as a fluke. What exactly did Lee do/add to make that huge turnaround? I know his location and command (especially with the FB) improved dramatically but did he add a new pitch or anything?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Cameron:
French isn’t going to be an ace, but let’s be honest, neither is Washburn. His value is entirely tied to an ERA that is, quite simply, a fluke. His 2.64 ERA is more than a run lower than his 3.75 FIP… and his FIP is deflated by an unsustainable 6.4% HR/FB rate. In reality, Washburn has pitched like a guy who deserves an ERA more like 4.4, but thanks to the wonders of good defense, a ballpark perfectly suited to his skills, and some good luck, he has the appearance of something more than a back-end starter.
A back-end starter, though, is exactly what he is. The addition of a sinker and confidence in his big slow breaking ball have allowed him to marginally improve this year, but the step up is in small percentages, not large gains. Tigers fans wondering what to expect from Washburn should be thinking a mid-4s ERA, as long as you put some good defenders behind him on days he pitches.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Sour Grapes
I can see that Dave misses the big lug already
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
You know I meant that
you couldnt argue what Lee was doing as a fluke because of the past ~2 years, but what Washburn was doing this year was a fluke right?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't understand where you get this.
“Jarrod Washburn isn’t good.” != “I’d rather face Washburn than replacement level pitcher X”
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
when i posted Tigers getting Wash "hurts a bit"
you asked why
their other option has been dipping into the minors
Miner was not pitching horribly
He had 2 games with a sub-3 out of 4
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Washburn is a world beater, but he is a good pitcher. He's not worth his money, but that's not a problem for the vibrant Detroit economy
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
median home values have broken six figures!
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Just have to sell a couple more Cadillacs this year
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Good is a bit strong for me
“Not complete shit?”
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
3.75 FIP is good. Maybe not career wise, but he's certainly good this year
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
4.7 xFIP.
Seriously, his home run rate is not staying this low in the new park.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, how the fuck is there a stat to show you what to expect from a stat that shows you what to expect
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Because FIP goes off real world HR results and not expected.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
And since we've discovered very few pitchers control their HR/FB%.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
We're through the looking-glass here people
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
French looks like a young Wasburn
High FB pitcher, Mediocre K/BB, low FIP due to low HR/FB
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Argh, why have there not even been rumors about us wanting Doumit
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Maybe because Huntington doesn't want to deal him?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
dude got Alderson for Freddy Sanchez
he will look at any deal I think
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Well shit, if he's willing to trade an injury prone overpaid ba-dependant old middle infielder for a top pitching prospect, then yeah!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Friedman is smarter than you
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
My mom died while trying to drill a hole in a speeding asteroid so that my dad could slip a nuke in there and blow it up before it reached earth.
So show some fucking respect, please.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Your dad wasn't the only one to slip a nuke in your mom's hole
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
To clarify: I'm using "nuke" as a euphamism for penis in my comment
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, DRB User "BJ the Bossman"
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
There's something off here... I just can't put my finger on it
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed.
You misspelled “euphemism”.
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
DAG NABBIT
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh
like the little man in a striped jacket… I GET IT NOW
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
HAY GUISE
Have we traded for Pujols yet?
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by JMB on Jul 31, 2009 12:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No, but we did trade for Halladay.
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
negative
no Mauer either
this has sucked
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
What about Lincecum?
Niemann for Lincecum straight up
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by JMB on Jul 31, 2009 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I got the deal done for Burrell and free agent pitcher oliver perez in mlb 2k9
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I traded Gross for Dukes
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Tryin to improve those clubhouse values?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I trade Kapler for a 9 milli
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet Kapler
can bench more than that 9 milli
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds like an excuse to post this picture again
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
At least NCAA lets you know when your recruits are out knocking up women and flashing a gun around.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep forgetting that the NCAA is a bastion of virtue
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
BCS=the holy grail
Call off the search
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
"Verlander, Jackson and Washburn give them 3 of the 7 best SP's in baseball"
Yeah in September, they will just have Verlander….
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Uh.
Haren, Lincecum, Greinke, Halladay, and Hernandez?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Brah you left out Washburn
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what gets me about you guys
If we get a player you project Mickey Mantle or Sandy Koufax, yet another team getting him, he’s Casey Fossum
What?
Did I not just say I loved the O’s and Pirates trades from yesterday?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe not on your calculator
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
This is patently retarded Ed
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
The best pitcher on this list is 7th
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Stated that way it isnt...
He spoke fact. They are top three starts in AL ERA (I believe him).
Saying they are the top 3 of 7 starters in the AL is an entirely different statement.
I'll retract then
Deriving any value from that fact is retarded Ed
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT ABOUT WHIP? I ONLY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT EARA AND WHIP, THATS ALL THAT MATTERS
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Uhhhhh Ed...
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by JMB on Jul 31, 2009 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
At least its a true statement
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
that's a LOL
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
credit where credit is due
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha according to MLBtr anyway
People are trying to get King Felix
good luck
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At my current undisclosed location, that may not be an option
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Double comments speed things up
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
"I'd do anything for a Part 2" -- Lil Wayne
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
one more is officially a hissy fit
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by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
BTF chat:
[Comment From Erik Hahmann]
Dave, brighten my day and tell me that V-Mart is coming to Tampa Bay
Dave Cameron: I doubt it, Erik. If you guys were going to make a deal with Cleveland, it would have been for Lee. Sounds like Friedman just won’t give up any young talent, period.
Lamar'd
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If it meant Davis, and i'm sure it did, i was against it
only deal i like is three way with Pena to the Mets
I agree with that...
But he’s never really been to that point where we’d be able to evaluate that.
It seems like he evaluated Delmon pretty well
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Totally agree.
But he did get Garza in return, whom they also evaluated extremely well. But he’s yet to make a move on the otherside of the coin, where he gives up prospects for veteran talent. Not that the opportunities have been there, but there are some minor upgrades that could have been made.
I like his approach of finding FAT rather than signing an expensive veteran
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he's proving you don't need to unless its too sweet a deal?
How do we know its not a fault, especially as a small market team where cost control matters?
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And trading for Bay could have pushed them further...
Of course I knew I’d have to defend that statement, and I’m not saying it would have mattered either way.
But using last year as an excuse isn’t really valid. I’m just asking at what point does Friedman’s stubbornness become a knock. He obviously has done a great job.
Are we sure it's subborness?
Or is it just them not getting what they feel is fair or good value?
I mean, he pulled the trigger on Delmon fairly quickly.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
It's all possible..
Then we get into possibly over valuing prospects.
Of course none of this has been proven or can be proven right now and this front office has proved time and time again that they are a lot smarter than I am. It just appears like they’ve been sitting on their hands this year more than I thought they would.
Ask Indian fans, they chant that all day about Shapiro
and the ones he did let go, Phillips, Guthrie, Scott, Scutaro, he got nothing for
Itsturis too
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by P Brady on Jul 31, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hopefully Sonny's days in Durham are done no matter what happens
if we can’t trade him or Kazmir than he needs to go to the pen. He is better than Nelson or Bradford or Cormier and doesn’t do us much good in Durham.
Better than Nelson and Bradford
I like Cormier
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
D'BACKS PRESIDENT HASNT SAID THEY WONT TRADE UPTON
He only said they wont move Haren
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
We don't need another outfielder.
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Upton
need I say more?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Only if we can pawn both Gabes and Joyce off on them
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Joyce to DH
give them both Gabes and PTB
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C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
In this case it would be pwn
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
They can have anything not named Longoria.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Price for Upton?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
At this point, yes
May be better for all involved
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
fine but I want that followed by a Bossman long term deal
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
that fails to make sense
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I could be wrong, but isn't Justin a RF?
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He was a CF in the minors
but we need both Uptons!
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
CC, Bossman and Jupton in the OF
MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Do what I did and just buy mlb 2k9
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Disagree
Justin has passion for the game. That wouldn’t make heaterreaders mad enough
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
we'd be getting rid of a black, making the black net loss 0
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well and Upton...cause that is kinda the whole point
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It's this kind of unwillingness to deal prospects that makes sure deals don't get done
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
When was Longo still a prospect?
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
OH IM SO STUPID
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The same time Buchholz can still be a prospect even though he pitched a no-hitter two years ago.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Discuss
Speculation among players inside the Marlins’ clubhouse on Thursday had Adrian Gonzalez possibly coming to Florida as part of a blockbuster trade.
By early evening, reports surfaced that the Marlins were pursuing Nick Johnson.
The common theme in both possible trade scenarios is the Marlins are looking for a left-handed hitting, strong fielding first baseman.
I-75 Series!
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
This deserves a Billy Mays Double Thumbs-Up
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We are a Christian Ray of Light now tyvm
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And Gabe Kapler gives up Yahweh too
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
That was Allah we traded for a middle reliever
They threw in Shiva, Buddha and a spirit coyote.
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
You racist
bastards, as an indian-american myself? I find this maddening.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
People missed my Simpsons reference
:(
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't a quote
Spirit Coyote was not a good episode
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Doubly so when you consider how attracted Orlando Rays was to him
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a furry, not gay
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a difference?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Peña for Josh Johnson straight up
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
As long as we also get V-Mart
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Coghlan to 1B
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
there is no way coghlan's bat plays at 1B, does it?
last I remember his bat was about as good as a 2B/3B, but it doesn’t hold up when his defence forces him to move off 2B…
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 31, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzalez in Miami >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gonzalez in Boston
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It would put the Marlins over the top in their usually 6th year to win
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Thought you guys would like this one
from Indians forum he writes
Friend in Tampa…
by OscarGamble, 7/31/09 12:16 ET
said sports radio there is saying that the Rays may be the third team…Martinez to Boston…LaRoche to Tampa and Prospects from TB to Cleveland…Not saying it’s true but there’s talk..
Why the fucking hell would we want LaRoche?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
We need LaDouche for when A-Rod is in town
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Davis for LaRoche seems fair
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if we also get Rocco back
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I also like that we would do anything to help the Redsox out.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
were gonna help the Sox get V-Mart?
People keep losing brain cells
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
11:35am: MLB.com's Jonathan Mayo via Twitter: "I'm hearing odds of Padres dealing Gonzalez are very low at this point." Bonus: Mayo's Twitter background has a Magic Eye effect.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I love that new Sprint "what if" commercial with the loggers
“What do we do with the Shih Tzu?”
“Joint custody.”
whimper
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
I dont understand this whole thing with the Jays
“wont move anyone if they dont move Doc” Seriously? Downs, Frasor, Rolen and Scutarto would get you lots
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
yea if they keep all their pieces and have them next year
the division is going to be stacked because Baltimore is going to be pretty good too.
Wade Townsend should have taken a hint from Wikipedia
0.1 IP 3 H 3 BB 4 ER 1 HR in a start for the GCL Rays today
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"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
not ALL the baserunners scored..
So long, Sweet Lime!
by PlayOnWords on Jul 31, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
our only hope now is we can somehow deal him to the Mariners, Nats, or Giants
those seem like the easiest targets.
call up for the AA playoff's
for some reason I feel like Brandon Chaves is prolly not blocking at this point.
Tribe werent only scouting Durham
the whole system
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4368061
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
OT: I don't listen to talk radio much so I don't know who is on 1010 AM right now, but
the following things were just said
- Bartlett and Upton should flip flop in order
- The Rays have come off their hot streak and settled into who they are
- “Stats are for losers”
All from the host, whoever that is
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I have no idea, whoever does the noon hour
It was the host that said all of that.
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Tom Krasniqi
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Where is Toby to defend his station?
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by FreeZorilla on Jul 31, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
hahahahaha
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
He's right
Actually measuring results quantitatively is often very destructive to your preconceived notions.
I called in right after he said statsare for losers
what a tard
I could be wrong though
by staplemaniac on Jul 31, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just wondering
why do people consider Martinez better than Pena enough that we would trade Pena to free up space for Martinez.
Martinez has played a position where traditionally players have deteriorated, he had an injury-plagued season last year, and even this year when Pena is “struggling” and Martinez is raking their wOBA’s are only seperated by 4 points. Add to the fact that we don’t have a good idea of how Martinez will play at 1B (we already know he should be poor at best at Catcher), and the price in terms of prospect loss now and the future hit it’ll take if we loose a top-flight guy like Davis.
I don’t know, I don’t see it. Martinez can’t hit well enough to support his contract at 1B, and I’m one who doesn’t want to see him playing Catcher for more than the rest of this year because of the injury concerns and general knowledge of ineffectiveness. I’d rather not have the success of a deal be based on something we can’t quantify.
I'm assuming this is sarcastic
but really, I think this deal would be incredibly stupid. I’d rather target someone like Gonzalez because they are a team who could use spare parts Talbot and sigh Sonny/Niemann given the park, and we might be able to string a deal where we keep our top flight guys.
How much longer is Gonzalez under control?
I mean, three team deal where we give up Pena for prospects which we ship along with Talbot and Sonny over for Gonzalez. Who is cheaper, we have (for what I think is 1 year longer), and an upgrade (even if only slightly) at 1B. Would that get it done?
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 31, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Gonzalez is under control for another two years I believe.
And yes, I was being sarcastic.
No idea what the Pads want for Gonzo.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
is this coming year his arbitration year?
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Cots:
Adrian Gonzalez 1b
4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
* 4 years/$9.5M (2007-10), plus 2011 club option
o signed extension with San Diego 4/07, replacing 1 year/$0.3805M contract which had been renewed 3/07
o $0.5M signing bonus
o 07:$0.5M, 08:$0.75M, 09:$3M, 10:$4.75M, 11:$5.5M club option (no buyout)
o award bonuses: $50,000 for Gold Glove, $25,000 for All Star selection
o 2008 All Star selection increased price of 2011 club option to $5.6M
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wow...
haha, thats funny
I remember that he was so cheap in 07 and 08, and I assumed he was still on a minor league deal, hahaha, this is hilarious
Why even consider moving him?
With a deal like that, it seems he would be their equivalent of Longo. Unless they get a whole new farm system, is it worth it to move him?
Althought they are pretty much demanding the BS system
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They have Blanks
And if they can get a few good players, yes.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I know squat about Blanks
therefore I assumed they had no one behind Gonzo.
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I would rather get Gonzalez too
but it would take probably Davis + Niemann/Sonny + whatever we got back for Pena or Joyce at least
my point is that the Vmart deal is dumb no matter how you look at it, and this would be an intelligent deal, as opposed to a bad one
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we could squeeze out something along the lines of
Talbot + Sonny
ship Pena over to a team like the Mets or the Indians who have a starter like David Huff and Jon Neise and one other prospect and then send the entire package the Padres.
That would give them 3 major league ready #3 – #5 starters (at worst, in my opinion), along with another prospect for Gonzalez.
by Navi's_Navy on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
What should I play....Super Mario Sunshine or LOZ: Windwaker
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For the lulz
That Maholm guy is good
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/9875596 According to Ken Rosenthal, the Pirates are “probably, but not necessarily,” done dealing"> The writers suggest the Bucs will listen on pitchers Paul Maholm, Zach Duke, and Matt Capps, but are not shopping them.
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
think we can give a lil less
Then again, thanks to the Giants, they may expect a lot
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
not at all
Maholm is a #3 starter right now in my mind. I’ve liked him for a long time (I loved that Pirates rotation of Snell, Duke, Maholm, and Gorzelanny. Not sure why), I just don’t think we have a need for him because we have Sonny in the minors who would perform similarly at the cost of no prospects, but we seem way too set on Price at the moment
i wouldn't mind maybe going after Capps (I don't know his salary situation and how long we'd have him)
but I think he is better than what he has shown, and I think something like Morlan, Ruggiano, and a slightly better prospect could get him.
Money
Can’t we ship out someone like Wheels to save some cash for a VMart addition instead of moving Kaz or Pena? Take care of that in the offseason.
You can get banned for this. In fact, enjoy your weekend besides this.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Wait--so you're reporting what a random person said ESPN said?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
damnit
thread activity is gonna go way down now
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P Brady boxed you for posting a fake rumor.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
It was posted on a forum, i didn't create it out of this air
the guy that posted it is reputable
Don't report bullshit. Have an actual source before you post trade stuff.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
No.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
oh the Mariners
nyp_joelshermanAL exec: “I wouldn’t be surprised if #Mariners plan is to try to sign Washburn back as fr agent this offseason.” Have cake, eat too
I heard this two days ago
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
So guys
New idea- for every minute- there is no trade talk about us- we’ll raise a dollar.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
11:56am: Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle says Cabrera to the Twins is "very close."
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
MAGRANE ON MLBN ^_^
WHY DID YOU LEAVE US?!?!?!
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for an idea on Gonzalez trade market
SI_JonHeyman#redsox still talking adrian gonzo. buchholz, lowrie, masterson in mix. sd wants ryan westmoreland and lars anderson, too.
I wonder
if the Tribe lose the Sox going after V-Mart. Do we get him cheaper?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
So for us that would be
Davis, Brignac, Niemann, Kang, and Barnese? I think I would do this in a heartbeat. Have to find a taker for Pena, but SD doesn’t have as much leverage as they present since they really want Blanks over on 1B if they can get good value for Gonzo
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
in my opinion
Davis > Bucholz or at least they are equal
Brignac > Lowrie (by a long shot)
Niemann > Masterson (at least in public perception)
I think we would get at least 1 passable prospect back from the Pena deal, so we could do Pena off to another team along with Talbot, Sonny, and Kang. I’m assuming we could get 2 prospects for Pena and send them over as well and I think there is some discussion there.
I think I'm reading this correctly so why would SD trade Adrian for Talbot, Sonny & Kang + 2 unknown prospects from a Pena salary dump?
It would have to include 2 of Davis/Briggy/Niems + more, probably a lot more
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I still see Sonny and Talbot as just as good as Neimann
so trade him instead of whoever they like less, and what type of prospects could we get for Pena, I’m assuming some borderline top 100 type guys. I don’t think it’d take more than 3 major league ready, young, cost controlled starters like Talbot/Niemann/Sonny/random prospect along with a nice young bat like Kang and another prospect around the same level.
They aren't going to value any of those arms the same way that you do
besides Talbot is still hurt
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
understood and forgot
but will Sonny really be that low valued when compared to Neimann?
Niemann/Sonny/David Huff/Nick Weglarz/Ruggiano/Kang
could we get Huff and Weglarz if we traded Pena and maybe a lower level prospects.
SI_JonHeyman#redsox still talking adrian gonzo. buchholz, lowrie, masterson in mix. sd wants ryan westmoreland and lars anderson, too.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
lol RaysPride
Yeah…I guess people around here cant deal with someone who’s a Maddon supporter, enjoys Uptons overall talents, isn’t willing to quit on a young catcher in Navarro, has ALWAYS loved Kazmir and believed David Price will get it going…I guess these TB fans around here (Some of them) who “attack me” over the “Computer” cant deal with my own baseball thoughts.
And…I have thick skin, I can talk about my Rays with Yankee and Boston fans, and I can talk about them while being proud, excitied and pumped up about them @ the same time against those tough fans and you know what???Some of these fans around here simply doesn’t have it in em.
And…I’ve gained alot of “Respect” over @ the Yankees board over the past week…We lost the series and I’m still posting over there and I’ve BEEN posting over there since April of last year (When the Rays were below .500)
Thnx for the kind words StPeteRays and I hope to the baseball gods that the Rays NEVER leave St.Pete for “Tampa”…
Ah RaysPride
I almost forgot about him, along with Rays2007
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My wallet would be happy
That’s one less gallon of gas each eay
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by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and the Bucs will win more than 4 games this year.
People who don’t understand the dynamics of the situation should probably not have opinions
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
no they won't
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I want this guy over here.
RJ – Make the trade, bgfour for this guy please.
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No, I want to keep undeRAYted
I need someone to remind that A) RJ is 9.5 years old B) advanced stats only matter in fantasy leagues and C) WHIP and ERA are how we measure success
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He'd be our version of a pet monkey.
So cute, riding his little unicycle. Peeling bananas.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
A long time ago
though, it was meant to someone else though.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
That guy
must have no life. It seems like he has 20 threads active on every freaking board out there and he just spews nonsense
Shapiro'd
LaPorta still stuck in minors: Indians OF/1B Matt LaPorta is still stuck in the minors. The team called up OF Trevor Crowe instead of LaPorta after OF Ben Francisco was traded.
He will be called up for 1B if they move V-Mart
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Tim Brown: Twins acquire Orlando Cabrera from Oakland in exchange for SS Tyler Ladendorf.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions
I love how MLBn speaks so back ass authoritative on this shit and has not mentioned this yet.
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You're late to the party
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Peripheral trade
Brewers trade RHP Claudio Vargas to Dodgers for C Vinny Rottino (prospect)
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
Good deal for the Brewers.
Not sure the incentive for the Dodgers, other than to help Vargas.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright Rays:
get VMART right now, this is starting to get annoying
STARK: Rays’ offers stall
The Rays continued to talk with Cleveland about Victor Martinez Friday afternoon, but clubs they’ve spoken with say they’re more focused on “under-the-radar” bullpen arms, ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark reports.
One over-the-radar arm they took a run at was San Diego’s Heath Bell. But like many other clubs that checked in on Bell, the Rays concluded the price was too overwhelming.
QUALLS!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wouldn't those guys be on the radar guys
when I think of under the radar I think of names no one is talking about
That's the thing, nobody is.
At least in the MSM.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Wuertz hasn't been good lately
is he still good in high lev?
I'm just making my way down the ESPN insider rumours stuff, so while today's post nothing breaking. .
STARK: Dodgers and Rays like Lowe
Mark Lowe | Mariners
ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark tells us on Friday that the Dodgers and Rays are among teams that have inquired about Seattle reliever Mark Lowe.
Matthan had his expected K rate around 30% as I recall
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Pair him up with Howell and oh my goodness
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
TRADES: Kazmir a keeper?
Scott Kazmir | Rays
Did Scott Kazmir’s great start against the Yankees keep him in Tampa? Well, the team’s beat writer for the St. Petersberg Times, Marc Topkin, speculated on ESPN News that perhaps management saw the frontline starter they were hoping to acquire in that game. Either way, the talks about Kazmir have cooled.
DO SOMETHING
and no more cash for minor leaguers
not acceptable, I want more
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
what's the date/deadline for that
and what are the conditions? You can submit a player to waivers, if someone claims him, you pull him back and try to work a trade?
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Basically.
Just have it done by September to have him qualify for the playoff roster.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Bronson Arroyo used roids
Proving Roids do not make you better
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Haha Duquette, bagging on other GMs moves
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Watching all these lopsided trades on MLBnetwork
are scaring the Hell out of me. I am scared to make a trade now
"I'm still answering questions about the Scott Kazmir trade. That was six years ago."
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
Duquette is talking about the the Kazmir deal
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
"What we didn't know was what we got back"
No, Jimmy. You got schooled by the same guy that traded Bobby Abreu for Kevin Stocker.
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haha talking about how he gave away Kaz
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
He tore up the dude he got for Kaz
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Was that his name?
I forgot, lol
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
from Rosenthal and Morosi
Rays may not need trade to improve — 1:01 p.m.
The Rays are looking for relievers, but they could improve in the final two months of the season even if they fail to make a trade.
Right-hander Andy Sonnanstine, 3-0 with a 3.00 ERA at Class AAA, is likely to rejoin the team soon either as a starter or reliever.
Right-hander Wade Davis, the team’s top pitching prospect, is another likely candidate for promotion in either role — he is 9-6 with a 3.21 ERA at Class AAA.
The Rays also expect second baseman Akinori Iwamura and outfielder Fernando Perez to return from injuries in September.
I could see Wade Davis being the Clay Buchholz of 2009
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And a World Series
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonny In, Game Supercooled?
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Disprove Global Warming
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm scared Joe will only use him in long relief though
if he is as good as you think he will be he’d be better in the 7th or 8th inning.
sonny hasn't proven to me that he is bad enough as a starter to warrant moving to the bullpen
it would be killing his value, in my mind
He's fine as a starter.
But I doubt they dump Niemann or Price from the rotation for him, and he’d be ridiculous out of the pen.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I was under the impression that there was something that made Sonny more appealing than any above average starter
also, good starters tend to make good starters, which are more valuable than great relievers
I would enjoy setting fire to Percival.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He's already gone, let it go
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Super Best Friends
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Be happy you weren't on LL when MLBN started talking about that
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
Apparently teams are talking to Seattle about Felix
/shrugs
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
and I'm talking to your sister about banging
doesn’t mean anything is happening.
Or does it…….Giggity
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I don't think we would need to include Jennings
C.C. , Brignac, Davis should get it done, maybe some lower level guys if needed.
King Felix wont be traded
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
new thread
this one is slower than JoeyBW
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sigh
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Maybe you should shut your mouth
Oh but I am always the one to bait right?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
HOW DOES THIS NOT WARRANT A BANNING AS WELL
Into the Wall : Sarcasm for the Soccer Guy
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The Twins have acquired shortstop Orlando Cabrera from the A's for Class A shortstop Tyler Ladendorf, a major-league source confirmed to FOXSports.com.
anyone else a little suprised Jack Wilson brought back a good amount more than Cabrera, I know Snell was in the deal but he was worth maybe 1 prospect.
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