Tampa Bay Rays 2009 MLB Trade Deadline Thread Part Two
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
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I guess the concerns about the degenerative elbow condition have subsided?
Isn’t he missing most of the cartilage in his elbow?
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking we could trade Desmond Jennings and Tim Beckham for Edwin Jackson.
He’s been doing real well this year. Where did that kid come from?
Only if we can get a 3-way trade for Delmon Young as well
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Yeah, Larkin's a good comp for his ceiling
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Chronic masturbator
hed just get a penalty to go rub one out
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand Sonny will make a great reliever
But wouldn’t we get far more overall value by trading Niemann and Davis and then moving Sonny to the rotation?
"Adrian Gonzalez's asking price is 3X what Halladay's is"
my lord
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Does anyone even have three Brett Wallace's?
We’d genuinely have to give up Desmond, Beckham, and Davis.
Halladay, not Holliday
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Ridiculous of course
but Gonzalez is the face of that franchise and a hell of a hitter. He’s got 25+ bombs in friggin’ Petco for god’s sake, and he plays every day.
Hello.
He actually has 9 bombs at Petco
but yes he is good
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Also some of the more 'in the know' people may know this...
Why do organizations tend not to do prospect for prospect type deals?
Because if a team wanted a prospect, they would have gotten them the first time around
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a good question
You may try to draft heavily on pitching or balanced, but that doesn’t mean three years in thats how the class looks. It would seem to make sense for a pitching heavy team to deal with a positional heavy team
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Trade deadline deals are usually between teams looking to deal vets for prospects and vice versa
One team in the deal is trying to get better for a playoff run while the other looks to re-tool for the future
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I walked by a pimp last night that looked ready to knock his girl the fuck out
Don’t let anyone ever tell you that pimping is easy
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
HE'S A FUCKING 19 YEAR OLD SS
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
A scout friend did tell me he thinks Beckham may outgrow SS.
But then another one said he’ll be fine. So.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe Charlotte
no way Montgomery
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Because MLB gets pissy about overslot deals.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No, teams just won't submit the deals until near the end.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
you can, it just doesn't happen very often
but see:
Betancourt to Royals for 2 players
"The life of a (Royals) fan must be lived forward but can only be understood backward" -- Kierkegaard (more or less)
What would we send out to get a under-the-radar bullpen arm?
Does it involve Wheeler or Shouse? Could we try to shed some salary in that move?
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Wouldnt it be funny if a user named Dick was set to the box? M I rite? Good times...
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 1:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Does anyone think we can make a run at Matt Capps?
How much would it take? I say Brignac and some lower level player like Cobb gets it done.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Trading Brignac for a reliever in the NL makes my head hurt.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
V-Mart Update
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/07/victor-martinez-rumors-friday.html
GET IT DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Hm.
MINNEAPOLIS — The Angels have recalled two players from triple-A Salt Lake today, utility man Sean Rodriguez, who can play three outfield and three infield positions, and catcher Bobby Wilson, fueling speculation that a trade could be near.
One.
The Angels optioned reliever Bobby Mosebauch to Salt Lake after Wednesday’s win over Cleveland, so they had one roster spot to fill
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe
STARK: Angels ringing Bell
Heath Bell | Padres
The Angels are another team that has been in on Padres reliever Heath Bell, reports ESPN.com’s Jayson Stark. But they, too, appear unwilling to pay the price. They’ve told teams that talked to them Friday that they now expect a “quiet” day.
Earlier, the San Diego Union-Tribune, reported the Angels and Marlins are leading the way in talks for the services of Padres closer Heath Bell.
I like anyone that is a proponent of Hugs Not Drugs
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, Go B.J
BJUptonI think I’ll stick around for Flo Rida tonight. Hope to see a big crowd.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
V Martinez to Boston
Entirely unconfirmed (based on personal contact)
Maybe we should have CC go over and threaten him if he's about to go to BOS
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You can get VD from personal contact, hope you were smart
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Rays-Pride has a personal contact too
Yesterday he posted all over the web that his friend in the know told him V-mart to Tampa was a done deal
Failure
(SI_JonHeyman)a few teams asked about #mariners star felix hernandez (including boston and detroit). no belief he’s being dealt, tho.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Egomaniac
OGOchoCincoI am asking a serious question, what kind of sun block can I use before I go in the sun, somebody help, I am Walgreens now!
This is a good question?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
REVERSE BAY'D, PLEASE BE REVERSE BAY'D
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Golfing.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Where does he play in Boston?
I assume he supplants Varitek, but with Big PEDtiz at DH, Youkilis at 1st and Lowell at 3rd, thats only place that makes sense.
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Youk to 3rd Vmart to 1st
Lowell only has one hip. Or at least thats what Id do
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
“The Red Sox are about to acquire Victor Martinez from Indians”
from Bob Nightengale on Twitter
NO NO NO
TRADE THE FARM FOR GONZALEZ
FUCK THE RED SOX
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Told you guys to not get your hopes up, hahahaha.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nightengale reported this yesterday
Look for the Twins to trade for 2B David Eckstein of Padres or 2B Adam Kennedy of A’s instead of SS Orlando Cabrera
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I swear to God
if they ripped them off Im going to fucking off Shapiro
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
ill help
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Just give him Roccos disease
Ill slip somethin in his drink, you seduce him and go from there.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
You can only get RBD by being molested as a child
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
MLBTR isn't mentioning it.
Maybe it’s all bullshit. It better be.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Well we all know MLBTR is the Mecca of journalistic integrity.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
MLBTR retrweeted Nightengale
MLBTR isn’t necessary if you do your own legwork :)
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
ed_priceSource: "Looks good" for Victor Martinez to #RedSox, confirming @BNightengale report
NONONONON ONONO
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Guys been playing us all month with his shit.
‘AL Exec “Rays looking to add power bat”.’ f you Ed price.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK
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Any word on what they would/will get in return (Clev)?
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So I'm going to kill some Massholes on Tuesday. Anyone want to join me?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
If only fans would show up this year to generate revenue to spend
26th in attendance for a defending league champ is fucking pathetic, regardless of the location, economy, or what have you.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
why not? They spend it on cigarettes and beer
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Valtrex is a necessity
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Kazmir'd Burrell'd Wheeler'd (Percy'd? Or are we not paying him)
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Percy is being paid.
Such a team player. See people, this is why you don’t buy that shit.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Under what scenario do we not pay him?
retirement (or trade) only? What’s his salary and why the hell haven’t we done anything with him yet?
Does he have to “approve” of being sent down? Is it possible to park his ass in Charlotte or somewhere lower?
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Retirement and trade.
He’s on the 60-day-DL. He’s paid and not counting on the 40-man. Team player!
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope he's off the payroll in 2010.
What an effing douche. Way to go Percy, you’ve butt raped us in about every way possible.
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R.J.
I’ve heard they are letting him just sit out there because he’s going through a divorce. You hear the same?
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
WELL, THAT CHANGES THINGS
First pro “athlete” to ever go through a divorce when they are past their prime and their earning power has been reduced.
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I like Harold Reynolds
Seems like a cool guy.
But, damn he is stupid in relation to the business of baseball
So what Youkilis to 3B, Lowell to bench?
Or is V-Mart gonna be the everyday C???
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
If Bucholtz is still a Red Sock
I will be displeased
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if Westmoreland is still a Red Sux
I’ll be displeased.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Lowell/Youk/LaRoche/V-Mart
Where are they all gonna play, unless Lowell to the DL.
It doesn't make any sense
Why would the Sox make this trade?
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so we were getting our hopes hope for nothing.
nyp_joelshermandon’t know if this matters to confirm @BNightengale rpt on Martinez to Bos, but TB was other pursuer and heard TB was out for a few days.
Fuck. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck! Fuck!! Fuck Fuck Fuck!!!
FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
What a joke.
I hope we enjoy all 50 of our #2-3-4 pitchers we held on to.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So this means we can pack it up for the rest of the season. Right?
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
God no. We're what? 4.5 games back?
At the most Martinez is worth 1.5 wins for the rest of the season. If we play up to our talent level, we’re far from done.
Yeah.
We’re fucking done.
Trade CC to Atlanta for Heyward.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
If you want man
I’m gonna ride out the next 2 months and enjoy it. Are team is good enough at this point they just need to play at their ability, across the board
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
No way
we go 6-0 in the next 2 series and were in a great spot
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny that he gets traded to boston.....
seeing as how he said at the MLB All-Star game that he did NOT want to catch wakefield…. Guess those are the days Tek will catch?
and
from now on i am typing only in caps!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
I'm not sure why everyone was wrapped up in V-Mart so much
He’s no savior.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
He's not much of a catcher
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Because Dioner Navarro is mind-numbingly bad
Hello.
by killa3312 on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed, especially if he's going to be spending a lot of his time at 1B, which is what I imagine we'll happen.
Good player, difference maker, but we can still catch the wild card.
Because right now, Friedman is standing with his arms crossed saying "That's nice work boys" like Chief Wiggum.
If the Rays go on a tear, then he’s smarter than all of us. If not, we got fucked.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
AGREED
unless he plays cather everyday he is not much of an upgrade
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
You guys are making Raymondo look like a prophet
pretty much everyone wanted Victor Martinez and now he is going to Boston, oh he wasn’t that good anyway.
Any chance this is a wake up call for Navi?
and yes, I’m pulling optimism out of anywhere at this point.
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Of course there is, but you never know when it's actually going to kick in.
I still hope we go after Zaun.
I doubt it
I imagine a major leaguer is trying to play his best for himself. I would hope the trade deadline doesn’t change that. If so he is more flawed then I imagined.
Exactly...
Where’s he playing?
If he played over Navi, it helps a ton. Boston is not going to see the same benefit.
Find one post where I advocated trading for V-Mart
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Kaz straight up was good for VMart, but no urgency beyond that offer
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We can still find a journeyman catcher for cheap later on
Navi has started to hit better and more patiently. I want an upgrade over Michel, but Navi would still be the starter.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention I'm sure the clubhouse will love to know that we aren't improving trying to improve the team
A deal would have been big to try to give this team some new life.
The only life we need is to get our hitting and pitching on the same page.
We’ve got all the talent in the world that you could want.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Heard on 1010
an interview with Longo done recently. Dont have the exact quote but something to the effect of “We arent in the mentality that we need help to win this thing (not sure if he was talkign ALE or WC). We can get it done with the team that was put together. If we think we need help to win it, we’re in trouble”
FWIW
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Love it
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Can we get relievers and Napoli?
its not much….
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Andrew better be on the phone right now to Sharipo
“Davis, Brignac, Barnese, Cobb, Jaso.”
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Shapiro may have wanted Hellickson or Beckham
in which case…ummm…fuck him
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Yeah
They wanted McGee or Hellickson plus an A ball guy
ADRIAN GONZALEZ
DAMNIT, FRIEDMAN. GET IT DONE.
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If that happens, I'll shit in my pants.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
THIS
FUCK BOSTON
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Uh o
Red Sox To Acquire Victor Martinez
By Tim Dierkes [July 31 at 12:55pm CST]
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale via Twitter: the Red Sox are about to acquire first baseman/catcher Victor Martinez from the Indians. Ed Price of AOL Fanhouse, trying to confirm, says it “looks good.” FOX Sports agrees.
The next time someone breaks news half an hour late, they're boxed until the deadline is over.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
i just dont post that often
but i read the site religiously
This is why the word FUCK
was used 10000000 times in the last 5 minutes
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard from a source that says we declared Davis untouchable from the get-go. And offered Moore/Gorgen/McGee/PTBNL and CLE turned it down.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not really
Shapiro wants a MLB ready arm. None of them are
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hot dogs value is really high right now
i could understand that
What the fuck is the source?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
TRADE FOR
TEAGARDEN/SALTY/POSEY/ZAUN/ANY OTHER CATCHER NOT NAMED NAVARRO?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Rosenthal saying that the deal is straight up between Cle/Bos so no 3rd team involved
they will still need to traded Laroche
I would like to see what the Sox traded
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
OT: ATTN EVERYBODY
DON’T TURN TO THE FOUR LETTER CHANNEL THAT REPORTS SPORTS NEWS, THEY ARE BOSTON HOMERS AND YOU WILL BE HEARING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
NO IT STARTS
WITH AN E BUT ENDS WITH AN N
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
If you make this a St. Pete/Tampa argument I swear to god...
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I'm lurking in this sub-thread, waiting for my chance to talk Bucs
just an FYI
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I know. How crazy is that?
I kept hearing talk of blackouts then tickets go on sale today and within an hour…nothing left. Amazing.
Well it's 7 if you're talking regualr season
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
7 this year
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, even though the technically it's 8 homes games
BS.
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Of course the Pats couldn't be expected to give that game up
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
BUT IT'S A HOME GAME BECAUSE THE GLAZER'S HAVE A PRESENCE OVER IN ENGLAND WITH MANCHESTER UNITED
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Bucs should want to be home team...
larger portion of the gate.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Then start having Prune Juice night and Sock Hop at the Trop
to get the old people out there.
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What if Friedman comes out tomorrow and names me assistant GM.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
...
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
by kericr on Jul 31, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
You be Friedman, I'll be Maddon and brush up on my speech
and let’s rock this town back to 19 bgfour
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OH HAI GUYZ BREAKING NEWS CLIFF LEE HAS BEEN DELT TO FILLY WE FAILD SEASON OVER
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
How big is the effect of the increased perceived value that large market farm systems carry?
Perceived value is all that matters in a trade, so it doesn’t really matter if your players are better if they don’t carry the name. Is this good or bad longterm? Discuss.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
because Varitek sucks and Gonzo is really good
and don’t tell Raymond but Boston’s offense has been just as bad as ours over the last month
Only at our price, which I'm assuming the Indians didn't want.
There’s no reason to sell the farm for Victor Martinez.
Mike Napoli Please
per MLBtraderumors.com
Mark Saxon of the OC Register thinks an Angels trade may be in the works, with the Halos recalling catcher Bobby Wilson and infielder Sean Rodriguez despite one free roster spot. Of course, someone could be headed to the DL.
Kap-rilla???
How much would it suck if Ponson shut us down tonight? :(
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hopefully the Tampa half
Cleanse it by fire
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Aren you fucking kidding me with this shit?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Just gauging everyones opinion. Jaysus
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
...still haven't heard anything from ESPN or MLBN
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That's longer than they were talking about Roidtiz last night.
ESPN is a fucking joke.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
THE RED SUX
ARE IN CONTRACT TALKS WITH HIM.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Gesundheit
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by Buc Wild on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So...
Rays offered Hellickson + another and Cleveland wanted Davis +
This is confirmed? That we offered the narwhal?
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nyp_joelsherman#Rays were among teams that checked if #Mariners would move F.Hernandez, and were told admantly no.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
let me guess
they traded no one of value
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Just saw that. What in the FUCK
Support the Type Strong Movement, Like This Little Lady Does
Let's work together to combat Terminal Rocco Disease.
by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
IN OTHER WORDS
FUCK YOU MARK SHAPIRO, I HOPE YOU DIE IN A FIRE!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Wow, whats with all the light sided trades this year?
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Cleveland Indians: "We want to trade our best players."
Tampa Bay Rays: “We’ll give you some of the most talented prospects in baseball!”
Indians: “Meh, we don’t want good players.”
Other teams: “We’ll give you a bunch of overated garbage!”
Indians: “Sold!”
Rays: “Fuck this shit.”
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Somewhat confirms my suspicion we didn't offer at least Davis. Because they would have taken our deal.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 2:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's likely. But it's also possible that other teams are not at all interested in Davis which means that either we're overrating him or everyone else is underating him.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Davis could start tomorrow
Hellickson is a year+ away, they want a ML ready pitcher
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
OH. MY. FUCKING. GOD.
FUCK THE DEAD SOX, FUCK THE INDIANS.
We better get A-Gon.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
1:27pm: FOX now says Clay Buchholz and Daniel Bard are not in this deal.
wtf did they get for him then?
Mark Shapiro apparently drank a shitload of Absinthe this week
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
As an Indians and Rays Fan
Shapiro and Wedge need to be fired immediately.
If you are doing a firesale you get prospects …. This is a bunch of horseshit.
If I ever see Shapiro he has a sharp cockpunch coming to him
by PewterPirate55 on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
He's coming off fucking TJS? SERIOUSLY?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
MOTHAFUCKIN' NICK HAGADONE????
Westmoreland AND Reddick better be coming along as well God Dammit!
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Indians don't want to help out a small market team do better
Makes them look that much worse for sucking despite resources
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess we forgot one thing about the V-Mart sweepstakes
Shapiro is fucking stupid
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So imagine how surprised and aroused we would be if out of no where acquired King Felix
Shocked to see we asked about him
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I do know one thing, AF isn't going to look to good (among other contending GM's intersted)
if Martinez goes for shit just like Lee did.
ITS SHAPIRO
WHO MADE THE TRADE, NOT AF- WHAT IF AF HAD GIVEN THE RIGHT PACKAGE AND SHAPIRO DECLINED?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
At this point I'm convinced Friedman offered them similar trades to the ones I make in mlb 2k9
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We must literally have no money left
Otherwise this makes no sense. If Boston isn’t having to give up their top prospects, this makes no sense.
I think RJ mentioned that, if we couldn't clear payroll we are already into future year's budgets so it's not financially feasible to add big numbers without getting some off the books
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Shapiro: So....whats the deal for V-Mart Theo?
Theo: um…..some scrubs and a handjob?
Shapiro: Keep the scrubs, handjob it is! But can you throw in a tube of astroglide for the fans? This is gonna be a bit much for them to take after we just got raped for BenFran and Lee.
And a guy named Manny
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions
well they wanted to get rid of him though
so I didnt count him
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't discount his trade value
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
They gave up this Manny Ramirez guy
I heard he’s alright
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I'd like to see the net take for what Cleveland got for Lee and Martinez when this is all done.
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At the risk of sounding stupid
AAAA = NL?
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Na.
It’s how someone says “Owns AAA, but sucks in MLB”
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
nyp_joelshermanperson involved in talks tells me V.Martinez to #RedSox is "on the brink."
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
IS IT FUCKING DONE OR NOT?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Bowden may also be involved
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo says (via Twitter) pitchers Nick Hagadone and Justin Masterson are in the deal. Gut reaction: nice haul.
Gut Reaction:He's a fucking idiot.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
That is not a fucking nice haul, you're fucking 30 minutes late.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Respected baseball analysis Marcus Normandin just sent me "FUUUUUCK" when he saw Hagadone's name.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
as in wow Cleveland got him or Wow Cleveland is full of retards?
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Hagadone
I like Hagadone. Great velocity for a lefty and solid control pre-TJ. I think he’ll turn out to be a fine pitcher now that he’s back from recovery. I was mostly upset because I didn’t think he would be dealt given he just got back from it, but there he goes, 10 minutes later.
Masterson still needs another pitch if he’s going to succeed as a starter long-term I think, but maybe he’ll get the hang of it in Cleveland in a consistent starting role. Sox are probably going to have to give up more than this to get V-Mart, but I don’t know how much.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I dunno, He's making a transition from Closer to starter. I like him, but he's a big project.
Similar to Knapp in some respects, I guess.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Do you have
a scouting report for masterson?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
How do you not know who Justin Masterson is?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I know, I saw him
I just forget what he throws.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Wouldn't you be more happy that this Hagadone is out of the ALE then?
Admittedly, I have never heard of the guy, but if he is a good one, I’m not sure why you would be upset that he won’t be coming up with the Sox probably around the time that Beckett is gone as well as most of their current starters.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the stuff on Hagadone
Im just amazed if these are the only two big pieces, we didnt counter with a Sonny/Neimann and Barnese/Talbot. We could have equaled this deal about 100 different ways
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Hagadone is a good pitcher
but coming off TJ and now making the transition from closer to starter…that’s a bit backwards.
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Masterson is a ML pitcher
He would be starting for most teams
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Masterson's R/L splits not pretty. Lefties way too comfortable against him
by Jason Collette on Jul 31, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Cutter time
Maybe Sonny could teach it to him
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't have been uber pissed if we didn't get V-Mart
So long as he didn’t go to NYY or BOS.
WELL.
So long, Sweet Lime!
MLBN talking about how a V-Mart deal would cause a lot of drama among current Red Sox players
Including Youkilis and Varitek, who were assured they were #1 players very recently
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
I think everyone is grossly over-valuing Victor Martinez
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Maybe, but at what point do diminishing returns kick in?
We don’t trade someone now because we’re not getting enough value. Not in the offseason because we don’t get enough value. Then we trade them during spring training because they have too much value we can’t use and you end up getting even less for not trading him earlier. You can’t have it both ways.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Okay, let me ignore the restrictions that Friedman is working with.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
It's what, a million dollars to carry him for the rest of the season, then you decline his option. I don't think money flies here.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Trading Davis or whomever for 1-1.5 wins isn't smart.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
...
We don’t trade someone now because we’re not getting enough value. Not in the offseason because we don’t get enough value. Then we trade them during spring training because they have too much value we can’t use and you end up getting even less for not trading him earlier. You can’t have it both ways.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Davis is probably worth 1.5 wins next year in the rotation.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
You're assuming he's in next years rotation.
You know how many wins he’s worth in Durham? Zero.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
And then you put him in the rotation but you still have
Sonny, Niemann, Talbot?
What the hell are we going to do with everybody?
If you're going to resort to stuff like that then whatever.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like a legit question/statement
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I had no idea he was worth 0 wins in Durham.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
...if he is that worthless
than we should have traded him to Cleveland
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Fine, I didn't mean to be snarky, but my point still stands as rephrased below.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Well if you think the Rays can support seven or eight starting pitchers, we're just going to be pissing on each other's shoes.
They might trade Kaz, they might not. They might promote Davis over Sonny, they might not. Talbot’s still down there, isn’t he supposed to be ready too? They’re not getting anything out of this other then depth that is so deep that I’m sure it’s not all needed.
I said earlier this year that maybe the depth is necessary since the Rays did have a year where they went through 14 starting pitchers. I was wrong. If you have to go through that many starting pitchers, you’re not making the playoffs no matter how deep your starting pitching is.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
This has been my point all along
At this point we are better off slightly overpaying and getting something very good in return rather than holding pat. The longer the hold the less leverage we will have. At that point we are going to get very little for our guys.
I’m going to repeat this, but we have EIGHT MLB starters next year.
If we wait until after spring training someone will just send us a fungo bat for a #4 starter.
Back on your 8 starters horse again huh
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Granted an upgrade
but not worth elite prospects
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Would you rather have 2 prospects or win a World Series.
Red Sox are trying to win and win now. Besides, they can just buy more prospects later. God, I hate the Red Sox so much.
Getting VMart is far from guarunteeing a World Series.
Im not even sure he pushes us to the playoffs.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Please define significantly?
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
VMart adds 1.5 wins this season
…over 60 games, an extremely small percentage increase and thus NOT significant
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
VMart = World Series
Where did you come up with that equation?
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I never said that.
I said trying. And if you don’t think VMart improves their chances you are crazy.
I'll repeat
but not worth elite prospects
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
exactly the point
if he is a huge upgrade for us and we don’t have to give up elite prospects then why is he not a ray
Kap-rilla???
Correct
I regret using that adjective as soon as I posted
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I didn't care that we got him
It’s just that Boston did and seems they haven’t given them anything
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
That's probably because there was not a large demand for him
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
So we couldnt give up Sonny and Talbot?
I dont know much about Hagadone except for the fact hes comin off TJ. And is Sonny really that much worse than Masterson? Especially comin out of the pen?
hagadone is a 23 year old in class A
thats all I know.
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 31, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Lefty, good stuff, already had TJS and has a BB/9 over 5
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
So whats his value relative to Talbot?
Way higher?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
His stuff is really good. It's just everything else isn't.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
What, exactly, isn't?
And please don’t tell me it’s his control, because he has a 10 inning sample from 2008 pre-TJ and a small sample again this year post-TJ. Your control is the last thing to come back after that.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously I don't know how accurate the reports I've read are, but his slider is still far off, and their are a fewrepeatibility issues with mechanics.
Am I saying Hagadone is a bad prospect? No. He’s not the sure thing that I’d want for a guy like V-Mart.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
The sample is so small...
…that it’s basically meaningless. I’m more concerned with how he finishes and how his year looks when it’s over.
I’ve also said that this deal isn’t great for the Indians unless they pull down another prospect from Boston. Hagadone/Masterson isn’t a bad deal considering it’s a buyer’s market, but it’s not a good one either.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I lookn at what the Pirates got for Wilson/Snell, and what they got for Sanchez, and wonder what the hell Shapiro's doing, honestly.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
but not done "very close"
So we can seriously Bay them here
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I'd like to go back to the handjobs taht Epstein was giving out, can we inquire about that?
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HOW LONG MORE FOR THE
DEADLINE? NEED HOPE
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
I hate Pat Burrell now more than ever
His contract is killing us.
The last 2 FA signings that got the most money….Troy Percival and Pat Burrell.
Why the fuck we got him instead of Dunn?
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Fuck it.
Call up Jake Jefferies for god’s sake. As far as we know he could be just as good as Navi is right now.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
Why wont rotoworld insult Shapiro?
Another bad trade…..
MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo reports LHP Nick Hagadone and RHP Justin Masterson are part of the package headed to Cleveland for Victor Martinez.
Those two alone might do it, but there’s word a third prospect could be involved. Hagadone is a hard-throwing lefty with a 2.52 ERA and a 32/14 K/BB ratio in 25 innings at Single-A Greenville. Masterson, 24, has a 3.76 career ERA and a 1.28 career WHIP on the major league level.
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Because we weren't "Smooth" enough
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This
especially when we have a surplus of pitchers.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Any chance we make a play for Teahan?
Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports hear that a number of teams are still contacting the Royals about Mark Teahen.
This is ridiculous
I’m beginning to think Friedman really overvalues our guys or our prospects just suck really hard. There is really no other explanation why we don’t make a move. It is almost like we want a dynasty in AA and AAA and a 3rd place team in MLB. I mean what the hell? Hagadone and Masterson? Friedman call up Shapiro and blow that out of the water. We don’t need to keep all 8 of our starters next year and we can afford to give up some of our top 20 prospects in the system. Jesus Christ.
The problem isn't the prospects. The problem is payroll.
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So we are essentially are just going to be a farm team for the big boy
Create all these big prospects then give them away. Sounds great.
We have 8 starters next year
What do you think teams are going to offer us come spring training?
We gave Hammel away for sure. You can make the case with Jackson too.
This is my point
The deals themselves under those circumstances were fine. The problem was that the circumstances we created caused the value for our players to be far lower than they should have been. We backed ourselves into a corner. We make a good trade once we were in the corner, but how about we stay out of the corner this time? Trade with some freakign leverage and get good value in return.
What value did Jason Hammel coming into this season?
Other than being a 400k guy for 2 more years?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
This
What woudl we have fetched for Jason Hammel at the deadline last year. He was never viewed as a real asset in 2008
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Pretty much
Why did you think we were shopping Kaz or Pena?
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Sources: Dodgers making run at Padre stars — 2:48 p.m.
Even with Indians catcher Victor Martinez headed to the Red Sox, there is still a possibility that the Padres will trade first baseman Adrian Gonzalez.
The Dodgers are making runs at both Gonzalez and Padres closer Heath Bell, either separately or in a blockbuster, according to major-league sources.
If the Dodgers acquired Gonzalez, they presumably would send first baseman James Loney to the Padres or trade him somewhere else.
The Angels also are talking to the Padres about Bell.
They are not dealing Kershaw...
….and that is what it would take.
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Pena, Kazmir, I was just messing around, I love you guys!
Don’t hate me!
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
So to get Lee and Vmart we only needed to trade
Davis, Brignac, Jaso, Barnese/Moore, and Sonnanstine/Talbot
If this isn’t an epic fail I have no idea what is.
We still need to clear payroll
If we can’t move Kaz or Pena, then no deal
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So lets just root for Durham and The Biscuits
Might as well create a dynasty there. We are well on the way.
If youve invested this much time and emotion into this team
and are just now starting to complain about financial restraints, I dont know where youve been brotha. This is nothing new. Weve got to build from the farm system up, and Friedman has said this all along. Every year or two we will be able to make one big signing/trade because of the financial restraints, and so far the one we made (Burrell) hasnt worked out. We gotta live with that and right now were paying for it. But if youre as intelligent as you seem, I would think you would already know this.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand this
Just having an overstocked farm system doesn’t do you any good unless you take advantage of it.
If we cannot acquire a very good MLB player then lets acquire a very good prospect with our prospects. Having 2043024923042390 pitchers in the system does us no good. We can only have 5 starting pitchers in the majors.
Yes but having those prospects for a couple more months doesnt hurt
Im sure Friedman valued these guys accordingly, and if he didnt like the asking price, he wasnt budging. Who’s to say there isnt a great deal to be made in the offseason with all our pitchers? Its not like all these prospects’ stocks are going to suddenly fall off the face of the earth. I for one am glad that we didnt give up Davis or Hellboy for VMart. Theres always another day and another trade to be made. I know it can be frustrating but we should never feel like were forced to make a trade.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
In turn...
maybe Shapiro valued VMart appropriately and didn’t like what was being offered.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean its pretty much the same thing.
All Im saying is Im glad Friedman didnt reach for VMart and held his ground.
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And throw in Kaz or Pena to a 3rd team so we have enough money
Its not Friedman overvaluing prospects, its we have no money
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
What does Loney make
can we get Bell also, and would we have to clear cap room?
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Why do they want Loney?
Can’t Blanks just go to 1B?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
When AF actually calls someone
and offers a prospect
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 31, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
fine a spect like Davis
do you know what they offered
by thedudeofdudes on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
But we do know what other teams offerred and what other teams accepted
So either Andrew didn’t offer our guys, or we really overvalue our guys because in theory we should easily be able to match those deals with little harm to the system.
Or Andrew didn't have the money.
We’re interviewing him next week. Maybe he can shine some light.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Or other teams are undervaluing our prospects because they aren't mentioned 5 times a day unlike
Austin Jackson, Jesus Montero, Clay Bucholz etc…
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
WHAT ARE THE SOX GOING TO DO WITH 9 SP NEXT YEAR?
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Get high, Make money.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Ship one of them to Cleveland for 18 players, plus Shapiro's first born.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Elliot Johnson
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
by Orlando Rays on Jul 31, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
and who is gonna finally pay the price for him?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
More like 100% chance we get neither.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
I'll admit I'm not a trade guru but would something like this work?
TB gets Loney (and maybe Bell)
LAD gets Gonzo
SD gets Kazmir, Brignac, Cobb or other prospects?
Of course, now that I look at that, SD is getting nothing for Gonzo. Anyone care to build on this?
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Padres can't afford Kaz's contract
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
He makes 2.5x what Bell and Gonzo would make over the next 2 years
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I know this is light on what SD gets, just thinking out loud
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Fuck the Braves
Now they may bail the Sox out and take LaRoche?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
This would be stupid
LET’S JASON BAY THOSE PRICKS
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Pinch hitter would be my guess
Norton has sucked this year and in the NL you need a good pinch hitter.
Last glimmer of hope for V-Mart is gone
Done deal, says Nightengale via Twitter.
I hate Shapiro so much
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
When the hell is that proven?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I seriously doubt that the Rays pack it in
See Longo quote above…..well, not a quote, but the basic meaning of what he said
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Sox are in first in the WC. Maybe they don't need energy.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Ballin?
There bats are in a bad slump so good for them to get the bat, but their starting pitching has really hit the skids lately and it’s not like those guys will be getting less innings as the year goes on.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad they have gotten Halladay yet
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
Or the the team that made the World Series last year, rallies arounf the FO’s faith in their unity
Equally as possible or silly
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Thats ridiculus man
if anything it works the other way. The clubhouse chemistry is supposedly great and if anything it gives them confidence that the FO is behind them and knows we have a winner
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You shouldn't drink and comment you know.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Marc, I have a crush on you.
Would you like to pretend to be a horse and cyber?
by Suttree on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
THIS IS WHY WELL KNOWN WRITERS DON'T COMMENT HERE.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was because you make fun of them behind their back
not you Marc
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I make fun of Marc to him everyday.
Ask him about his pillow.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
As geeky as I am R.J....
That otaku has serious emotional issues. And humps a girly pillow.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
2D love otakus are weird. I feel like if I've touched a figurine, I've touched varius fluids
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You like anime? You should go watch Yaoi. You'll love it.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
It has sexy nurses and shit\
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I must have missed the anime train by two years
Outside of the posted Japanese cartoon characters, I don’t know what anime is
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Go watch Akira! It's good shit
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Are they tv shows or video games?
For pre-teens, teens, or adults?
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No. I'm not as sad as you.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
But I do it in a healthy, responsible way
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
What's with the bandage on his face?
Is that from the last time he tried talking to a living girl?
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
He's taking economic advice from an anthropomorphic wolf that wants to fuck a spice trader.
I doubt he’s impersonating Nelly.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Actually...
It’s even worse because it’s a pillow of a 12-year old character. Maybe because the pillow can’t yell rape.
Not this edition anyways. I’m sure voice boxes are next. Those ones will come with tentacles too.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Japanese love their loli
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Do the pillows have holes?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I haven't done the research.
But I’m sure there’s a team of scientists that will get on it after they finish up making a love robot that also shoots rockets from shoulder launchers.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Can the holes lead to a dishwasher safe container?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
No way man.
How would get they get you to buy duplicate pillows if you can’t soil the ones you buy? This is a business. A business of love.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Threesomes.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, now.
He loves pillows, he’s not a swinger. He’s dedicated to his plushy goddess.
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
But...variety.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this some kind of Catherine the Great fetish?
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This is some kind of fat guy wants to pretend your a horse banging you fetish
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well seeya later Marc
glad you came in for a few comments before Suttree said that
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I use my name.
I keep it real! /Chappelle voice
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, you need to shove a giant fist up BP's anus and convince them to let you write something other than fantasy.
Even though your fantasy column is barely a fantasy column at all.
He doesn't have a radio show, though.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I keep it realer
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I don't like people playing on my phone
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well I slept with your wife
Costanza’d
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I heard you're their number one customer
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Hi-oh!
And what’s the deal with these trade deadline threads? Are these guys dealt, or are they staying? Ho-ho-ho. Airline food!
by Marc Normandin on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't view V-Mart as being spongeworthy
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's hillarious that you're not even a member of OTM.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I heard almost this exact thing (minus the Rays giving up) part on BSPN
about a week ago on Baseball tonight. I lul’d then, i give you the lulz now
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mlbtraderumorsRT @Dejan_Kovacevic # Pirates trade Class AA pitcher Sean Smith to #Blue Jays for future considerations.
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What's up peoples?
I just had all my wisdom teeth yanked outta my face! I can’t feel a thing!
Sign lady must die.
We've made a trade!
Friedman has traded putting his hands in his front pockets to putting them in his back pockets.
AF needs to get Barry Bonds on the phone.
by floridaroar on Jul 31, 2009 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow
What a disappointment this day has been.
Mark Lowe or bust?
we havent even gotten Zaun
so sad
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
We're looking at more than Lowe.
And I’m not sure why people definitely expected V-Mart.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Both of the secondary arms are in AA
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
am i missing something?
MLB.com’s Jonathan Mayo reports LHP Nick Hagadone and RHP Justin Masterson are part of the package headed to Cleveland for Victor Martinez.
Those two alone might do it, but there’s word a third prospect could be involved. Hagadone is a hard-throwing lefty with a 2.52 ERA and a 32/14 K/BB ratio in 25 innings at Single-A Greenville. Masterson, 24, has a 3.76 career ERA and a 1.28 career WHIP on the major league level.
Not sure if this was from earlier, but yes they announced the 3rd guy, possibly a 4th, but not likely
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by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
In the defense of the reaction, there was a lot of rumors about it.
And it’s a move that made sense.
MLB Network's Tom Verducci says pitcher Bryan Price is the third hurler going to Cleveland in the trade.
Better, but still not thrilled
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Someone on MLBTR
said that the tribe was getting Tazawa and Bowden along with Hagadone and Masterson.
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
......"Someone" also said Tupac just walked into the Trop
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For the lulz
BARRY BONDS TO THE RED SOX
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Or, no one's said its the last piece. Could be, i guess
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Because he's a moron.
But, seriously, we have no idea what Friedman offered, and what Shapiro rejected.
It looks bad, but it’s impossible to know at the moment what went on behind closed doors.
Just look at the tribe, that's all you need to know about Shapiro.
He has a history of being awful.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
LaRoche to the Braves. Lovely.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
Did the Braves give up Hanson to get him?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Damnit, is there a waiting list to help out and service Boston
anyone else want to help them get Halladay at this point?
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Seriously...do you just have a cliche handbook on hand?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I just call'em like I see 'em -- Raymondo
110% of the time
Your source for replacement level commentary
by RATW on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So let me get this right, from getting both Lee and Martinez
we wind up with a AA catcher
how is this not suprising?
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by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Apperantly freidman is a terrible GM
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
you are a fucking idiot
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Watch as every player we go after every trade deadline is
scooped up by boston in front of us.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, if only Friedman shit money, he wouldnt suck as a GM!
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
yeah, chances are he couldn't move kaz or pena
so couldn’t do the deal for v mart.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
please dont pretend we are agreeing
It’s not AF’s fault Shapiro is an idiot and gave Lee and V-Mart away for nothing
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Like I said, we are so poor,
any deals we make had to include making room for salary.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
MLBtr said that Lincecum was pulled from his most recent bullpen
Something with his elbow or shoulder, they weren’t clear.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
YEAH HIS ELBOW AND SHOULDER ARE BEING SENT TO TAMPA BAY FOR DIONER NAVARRO
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Just like when were losing
nice timing!
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Its a good thing you wanted neither
So at least you can’t piss and moan
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i'm actually fine with it
i don’t rate either that high, and for us they’d both test free agency
Who wants to start using heroin with me, We don't have to feel anything anymore!
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kingclipNew Indians RHP Bryan Price has been up and down, since being drafted, has two plus pitches in FB/SL, but mechanics come and go in big way.
-Goldstein
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
2:16pm: LaRoche has been traded to the Braves, according to Yahoo's Gordon Edes.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
You're a fucking cunt.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
He's a good GM, but as far as pulling off needed trades
not so much
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome!
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He hasn't been banned, but the warning I gave him might have scared him off.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I doubt we offered them
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The same could be said about what we offered for Lee.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
If you think Brignac and Davis/Hellickson are worth VMart
you are out of your mind
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
Interesting opinions
Quite the divide. A third arguing that Friedman didn’t off enough, another third that Shapiro just didn’t accept his great offer, then the others stating the Friedman never offered anything due to money.
Friedman most likely put offers out
but it was based purely on his ability to move kaz or pena to clear up money
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
I think all of the above happened
"I want to live in a world where a solo homerun in the 2nd inning counts as much as a solo homerun in the 8th."
We're in 3rd place and not out of it
Why not see if we have what it takes this year and if we don’t make it, at least we didn’t mortgage our future to still end up in 3rd.
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees acquired Jerry Hairston Jr. from the Reds, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post.
OH FUCK YANKEES JUST TOPPED EVERYONE
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The Rockies acquired lefty reliever Joe Beimel, according to Chico Harlan of the Washington Post.
Choate. :(
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SI_JonHeymanlaroche heded to #braves. kotchman may be out man out.
Teixera deal just looks bad now.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I cant wait for Davis to own the Sox and Indians
Hey Shapiro, could of been yours
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
SI_JonHeymanvmart deal to #redsox is done! masterson, hagadone and price go to cleveland.
I hate everything. i hate Shapiro.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Also: Fuck you Percy. Your salary has clogged up our team for far too long
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
At least he's playing, and hitting a couple HRs.
Percy has been worthless for over a year.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
at least rotoworld thinks it is a sweet haul for the tribe.
According to SI.com’s Tom Verducci, speaking on the MLB Network, Red Sox RHP Brian Price is the third prospect involved in the Victor Martinez deal.
And there you have it. The Indians will receive LHP Nick Hagadone plus right-handers Justin Masterson and Brian Pirce in exchange for catcher-first baseman Victor Martinez. It’s a pretty sweet haul for the Tribe. Hagadone has great upside and Masterson is very close to being major league-ready. Price is more of a throw-in, but boasts a decent fastball-slider combination.
Cam'ron
From Cleveland’s perspective, they get two good young arms, one of whom can step right into their rotation. That makes this a win, even if dealing Martinez away hurts their offense quite a bit. From Boston’s perspective, they dealt from depth that they could afford to lose in order to get an all-star caliber player who fits perfectly into their roster.
This is a win-win. Good deal for both clubs.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
And if any of them end up being any good
and have to be paid. They will be traded back to boston, or to NY. Etc.
Salary caps plz.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Enjoy renting players in their 20s, only to see them leave when they ask for money.
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by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
That's great, but it might be 20 years before we reach that level again.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you fucking retarded?
I didn't say I wasn't flawless, but I damn sho' don't tarnish!
How many small market teams that reached our level last year
are able to do longer then a 2-3 year window? You have to realize that none of these players might even be on our next playoff team.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
and I would rather watch baseball knowing that Boston or New York
won’t just go grab the best players available to counteract 10 years of player development in one off season.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Games are not played on a spreadsheet
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong
A championship is a championship. Ending a season with a loss is not better than a win.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he doesn't care about the Bucs as much as the Rays
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Baseball is infinately better to watch then football
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is probably the only thing we've ever agreed on, but yes.
In a vacuum, though, I find it much more interesting to watch a small market team out smart and out maneuver the two biggest franchises than to watch the Bucs just catch enough lightning in watered down competition.
It happened last year
and we might not see it again for another decade.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
But they still lost...
if they had won the World Series I might agree with you. Turn the Bucs into a Super Bowl champ is the equivalent of the Rays becoming World Series Champs.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
This is where the sub-thread takes a bad turn and the Bucs get lambasted
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I just don't see how someone can be satisfied...
with ultimately not winning the championship. If he doesn’t like the Bucs don’t compare it to that.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I have had season tix to both for a long time
and a pennant race is way cooler than anything in football. especially considering we but fucked the yanks and sox last year
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I gave up my tix to the Bucs...
Don’t really care and baseball is more fun
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Football is the worst sport to see live
The fans are animals, and it’s normally shitty weather no matter where you are in the country.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually wouldn't have mind it if the seats weren't 4 rows from the top.
It was like climbing Mount Everest….If they were like 20 rows down I would be cool
Swav or Die (>'-')> <('-')> <('-'<)
For the lulz
Not to mention that it looks like one of those vibrating board games where all the pieces end up falling down
Try having a conversation with a football “fan” about anything other than their team. Fucking morons
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
All I hear is
- Woooooooooooooo
- Go (insert team name)
- The (insert team name) sucks
- I’m so drunk I pissed myself
- I will fight the next MF’er that looks at me funny
- I wish I had finished high school and didn’t spend all my unemployment on these season tix
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
That's like me saying all baseball fans are like Yankees fans
Not a fair comparison to lump some of the guys here in with the jeans horts wearing Bronx Bomba’s fans.
But point well taken, though not entirely accurate.
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Agreed
Football tix are so expensive now anyway that most people are fairly well educated.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been to a few different stadiums NFL and NCAA and it's the same story you see everywhere
Go to a minor league ball game, respectfucl, classy fans
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
NCAA is a different breed...
people are entirely irrational about their colleges.
The point that someone is more satisfied by not winning a championship than they are by winning a championship is hard for me to comprehend.
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
That's nice
Clearly you can see that I wasn’t responding to you
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
The sub-thread came from something that I posted
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Plus the action is slow paced
To many time outs
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah people say baseball is slow, but at least there arent 3 mins of commercials every 6 mins
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather have a steady pace then
10-20 seconds of action for every min.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know that i agree with that.
I can see what you are getting at, but we aren’t all neanderthals
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Wrong
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Trust me, I feel your pain in having to write/talk with "average" football fans
The meat heads are out there, but they are those of us who aren’t clinically retarded
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So what do you talk about?
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Football, general, specifics, players, teams, news
On the site, seeing as how its a Bucs blog, I talk about the Bucs, just like DRB focuses mainly on the Rays, doesnt mean I cant discuss other teams/players.
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Um....
Is Friedman making any moves at all or….?
No
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how Harold Reynolds ia actually bragging
that he doesn’t know any players in the minors of the sport he gets paid to cover.
Are you fucking kidding me
http://www.nesn.com/2009/07/red-sox-adam-laroche-traded-to-braves-for-casey-kotchman.html?mtr
LaRoche, who the Red Sox picked up on July 22 from the Pirates, has been traded to the Atlanta Braves for fellow first baseman Casey Kotchman.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Wow first glance this seems dumb on the Braves
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Great defender that hits for a decent average and doesn't k much, will probably play pepper with the monster all day
Think JT Snow but you know good
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That trade almost pisses me off more than VMart
what the fuck are the braves doing? why the fuck would they value LaRoche more than kotchman?
by BJ the Bossman on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes no sense
Martinez ay 1B, where does Kotchman play?
I don't know
C Victor Martinez…..catching often?
1B Casey Kotchman
3B Kevin Youkilis
DH David Ortiz
Tek and Lowell hit the bench I guess
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Peter Cottontail has good splits.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 31, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
.....seriously? You're that fucking lazy?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It'll be fun to steal 30 bases over two games on Tuesday and Wednesday next week
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions
Can we just get CC to glare at V-Mart that whole series
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Veritek isn't going to be catching very often.
I bet.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Kotch has great bat control he is going to dent the monster's face
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's going to catch the knuckler now?
I read that Wake is supposed to be back in time for the series next week.
On the bright side, 25 minutes until I can finish the job Rocco Disease started.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions
yeah because bashing me will accomplish a lot
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Indians should at least have fun now
Sanchez at C, LaPorta at 1B rest of the way
I would think Masterson will be a SP again
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
2:37pm: Rosenthal and Morosi report that the Marlins are no longer pursuing Johnson or Heath Bell.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
We really need to step our spending on the draft or we in deep doo doo
Start by signing some of our top picks
Again.
1. We had a huge draft budget.
2. We will. As the deadline approaches. Overslot deals.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Selig is holding up almost every single over slot deal.
The Royals reportedly have agreed to over 7 million dollars worth of contracts that MLB is still “reviewing.” Basically they’re trying to strong arm them into not doing it.
We will sign our picks, but we have to go through MLB and they’re holding everything up. The biggest over slot deal signed is 41K.
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Scott Rolen to the Reds.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
Look on MLBNetwork
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah. Well then. MLBNetwork is the source.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
SI_JonHeymanrolen has been traded to the reds. he just has to waive his no trade clause. indy boy cant turn down cincy, can he?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
BNightengaleKotchman is staying put in Boston. They love him off the bench.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
No Martinez
Seriously??!!! Why can’t the Rays make the big impact trade we all desire? Definitely not happy that we couldn’t acquire Victor Martinez!!
Die in a fire.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha Ha! We obviously haven't met. I'm RD. I have no soul.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Got a few million dollars to donate to the cause?
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
Because we have a limited salary
and we needed to make room. Unfortunately no one wanted Pena or kaz.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm on it...
let me just call Prez Obama
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jul 31, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Happy to see Ray killer, Rolen gone
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
SI_JonHeymanhey, nats did something! traded joe beimel to the rockies for 2 minor leaguers. nats gm rizzo goes for job push.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I fucking posted the first thing, I was posting that 2 minor leaguers were sent.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
the 1st thing or the 2nd thing?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I can't wait until a year or two from now
and we look like the pirates of this year.
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
More like being a farm system for the rest of the league
while we grasp at a 2-3 year window of being over .500
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Welp
UPDATE, 3:45: Heading into the final 15 minutes (or so, since the deals only have to be agreed to by 4 p.m., not announced), sounds like at the most the Rays might have something minor working.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Middle relief!
Who’s our chad bradford this year?
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
So the rest of you retards can get on the
pro salary cap bandwagon
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
as a communist I am firmly againt this
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuck a cap
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
you calling anyone a retard is enough said
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
k posted in wrong place the first time
UPDATE, 3:45: Heading into the final 15 minutes (or so, since the deals only have to be agreed to by 4 p.m., not announced), sounds like at the most the Rays might have something minor working.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I have vowed, i will not particiapte in the trade deadline deals in the
future
Why should i, the Rays didn’t
its dumb
but at least hes not asking for a salary cap
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Don't participate in any threads plz
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Maybe cancer finally finished the job.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
For him or me?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Not while I give 110%
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
BNightengaleThe Diamondbacks are in trade talks to Minnesota about reliever Jon Rauch.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
PLEASE BE FUCKING TRUE
JonathanMayoB3Hearing Yankees deal for Hairston sends Austin Jackson to Cincy; trying to confirm #mlbtrades
LoL
Lincecum is the greatest ball player we will ever see play, besides barry bonds, don't even try and argue it.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 31, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
AAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
There is almost no chance that happens.
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Alderson makes me believe anything
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
nice fucking work Cashman!
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Mayo: I'm thinking now the Austin Jackson info is not accurate, stand by... #mlbtrades
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No shocking at all.
Jerry Hairston isn’t good.
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a throwing session short*
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by Imperialism32 on Jul 31, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Yankees gave up Jackson for Hairston...
We should offer them one of the Gabes or Fernando Perez and see what we get.
Who else sees V-Mart catcing 5 games in a week
and getting injured?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
QUICKIE TRADE FOR HALLADAY
DO IT FRIEDMAN. DO IT NOW!!!!!!!!!
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
Heh
At this point, what would you give up for him?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Can we just keep Jennings please?
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
That would be awesome..
JP Says Fuck it.. Tampa.. .He’s yours for Briggy/ Marwal and Moore.. Fuck the Sux!
2:56pm: FOX Sports says the Blue Jays will get Edwin Encarnacion and a minor leaguer. Rolen is expected to approve the deal.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
JonathanMayoB3Alright people, relax. Had someone with one of the teams they had heard it, but wasn't confirmed, as I said. Still working on it #mlbtrades
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
4 PM - time's up. Hope we had something in the hopper at 4
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Things trickle in over the next 30 minutes.
We didn’t find out about the Lugo deal until 4:30.
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Fucking Boston
How the fuck did they get away with that package, this is ridiculous.
by digs the long ball on Jul 31, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
ed_price#Reds source says reports of Encarnacion plus Alonso for Rolen are not accurate. We'll see...
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well that's obvious.
EdE should be plenty to get the deal done.
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BNightengaleHold on....there still are deals out there. Angels say they're talking about big deal.
Bye Kaz.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Stuff will still trickle in...
Generally it takes until 4:30 – 4:45 to hear everything
Thompson's pretty good
Boom. Outta Here.
by Ryan Gilliss on Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
tboraysWord I've got is the #Rays are done -- nothing at the wire
Fuck everything
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Honest question
Did you expect something, anything?
For the first time in history,
yes, I really did. I tried to convince myself that we would stay the course so I wouldn’t be disappointed but here we are.
by digs the long ball on Jul 31, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought they'd get a catcher..
The fact that Michel is getting so many ABs really convinced me of this.
It doesn't make sense to me.
I thought Navarro would start hitting, but the fact his ABs are being limited means there is little faith left in him. I was sure they’d get something that was better than Michel.
Technically we did get a catcher.
But he’s no Zaun :(
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
nyp_joelsherman#dbacks held onto rauch. no trades at wire for az
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Whoever banned me
I hope that makes you feel better
RJ, its your call but there is some serious bullshit going on
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
I got banned as a dumb joke
RD, I really dont care if you fucking die
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
Guys, come on. As attendance shows, we don't have enough Rays fans to endure killing each other.
joeybw, you hope RD gets a rash from improperly cleaned shellfish.
So long, Sweet Lime!
im not joking
Does this not count as bait?
Go ahead, RD, be a man, ban me again
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
It was for the SRQ pix
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't get that ability to ban people for my Heater Theater posts
I’m still rankled
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Giving you modship wouldn't be good for anyone
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Especially not you
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know, you'd start sending me shit from your hentai folder
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You mean google image search?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
And I'd start sending you bans all the time for having no taste
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
It's no random anime
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
You sir are a fucking idiot
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
You sir are a fucking idiot
I can't help that I make some things look easier than they really are.
by Sandy Kazmir on Jul 31, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
hes the only loser who would ban me for a certain reason
Yeah, he really is a good mod
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
?
Atlanta, Boston and toronto Trade:
Atlanta Gets: LaRoche
Toronto Gets: Bucholtz, Anderson, Bowden, Kotchman, and 2 other prospects
Boston Gets: Halladay and Scutaro being traded
What the fuck are you smoking?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Where the hell did you get that bullshit?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
injuryexpertHearing "late blockbuster." Of course, we always hear that. Angels had phones "shut off" -- or were they focused on big deal?
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
the way i see it Friedman is not going to do anything
that he feels will help in the short run (’09), because he sees the playoffs are probably not in the cards
Why sell the future for what, a short term fix that can’t get you over the hump
Stay the course and aquire more position players, to bring up or be used as chips
by Raymondo on Jul 31, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think 2010 will be a good year for us
Been thinking that for a while
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For the lulz
A
Angels/Jays — Halladay/Saunders last second trade?
Please don’t be late.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 4:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
MLBN: "It had to be real painful for Mark Shapiro"
Really? Tell him to grease up first next time.
After the first push, it got easier.
Though, according to Theo Epstein, it got a little messy near the end.
Would have been to snag a reliever to shore up the pen
but I guess those are fairly easy to do through the waiver wire. We all get to watch 2 more months of Navi waddling down the line into a double play, hope we can pick a catcher up in the offseason
keithlawAlonso not in Rolen deal.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I think that should have been clear all along.
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I'm hearing Austin Jackson isn't in the Rolen deal either.
www.raysprospects.com
by Imperialism32 on Jul 31, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also, we always hear how the Rays have one of the deepest farm systems
so I know the Rays prospects have to be good, but my knowledge is a little shakey on other teams ‘spects. What’s a comparable deal the Rays would have had to put together to get Martinez or Lee? Just so I have some sort of context to put it in.
Masterson isn't quite as good as Howell but that's the closest comparison I can make there. Pretend last year's Balfour was younger.
The two pitchers are a step below Davis.
by digs the long ball on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Man's Balfour works
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
nyp_joelsherman#Yanks traded from strength for Hairston giving up C Chase Weems. Yanks stacked with C prospects: Montero, Cervelli, Romine, G.Sanchez
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Welp
3:14pm: Rolen approved the deal, according to Joel Sherman of the New York Post (on Twitter). ESPN’s Keith Law says Yonder Alonso is not in the deal. Instead, it’ll be Encarnacion, Josh Roenicke, and Zach Stewart heading to Toronto according to John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I saw this post on another Rays forum.... thoughts? Don't kill the messenger btw!
As I stated in another thread, this trade deadline and the previous off-season explains in a microcosm everything that is wrong with MLB. The elite players continue to gravitate to the same 7 major market franchises, now with Lee on the Phillies and VMart with Boston, and Roy Halladay in Los Angeles (as I predicted yesterday). The small market teams exist to feed them their major stars, in exchange for future prospects. Which would be fine, except that when those prospects become stars, they too move on and the process starts over again.
I know the majority of Rays fans seem steadfast against a salary cap. I happen to agree with Costas that a cap is about 10-15 years overdue in MLB, and that the disparity between the haves and have-nots will only grow. That one team could spend $450 million on 4 free agents in one off-season is a disgusting joke, and it is why the NFL surpassed MLB last decade and is widening the gap. Yes, the NFL actually has competition. Small markets like Pittsburgh can win super bowls. New England can dominate not due to large market money flows, but because they have built a better mouse trap. The NBA will leave MLB in the dust soon too.
Honestly I’ve hit the point where I no longer give a crap. I still love the Rays, but I’ve thrown in the towel. In a few years, we’ll fire sale a lot of our top talent to Boston, NY, LA, Chicago, and Philly. By then the Yankees will probably top the $250 million mark in salary, and will have an all-star player at nearly every position. This league is a ****-ing joke.
by Doug09 on Jul 31, 2009 4:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
fuck this
2010 starters
C Non on active roster 1B Carlos Pena 2B Ben Zobrist SS Jason Bartlett/Reid Brignac 3B Evan Longoria LF Carl Crawford CF B.J Upton RF Matt Joyce DH Pat Burrell
kingclipNew Blue Jays RHP Zach Stewart was a breakout performer this year; 3rd round '08, Sinker/slider both true plus pitches.
- Goldstein
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
The Blue Jays got a very good deal for Rolen.
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mlbtraderumorsFor real? RT @SI_JonHeyman peavy dealt again to #whitesox! again! not sure if he's OK'ed it. #padres.
OH DEAR LORD
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Hmm...
SI_JonHeymanpeavy dealt again to #whitesox! again! not sure if he’s OK’ed it. #padres.
SI_JonHeymanthis is no joke. peavy goes to white sox again. #padres get minor leaguers.
OH MY GOD.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
nyp_joelshermanHalladay not traded, post learns
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
nyp_joelshermanWhite Sox-Padres agreed to let Peavy be traded off of the DL, Post learns
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
LookoutLandingRT @shannondrayer M's may have a post deadline announcement.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I won't ban Joey again if the Rays do something
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
ed_priceRHP Adam Russell and LHP Aaron Poreda part of deal from #WhiteSox to #Padres, reportedly Peavy
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
We'd have to cancel bring your dog to the game promotions
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jul 31, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
he was in prison, wasn't he?
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
RealSkipBaylessNow ESPN reporting Angels weren't able to close deal for Halladay. So deadline winners: Philly, St.L, Det, Bos, SF, LA, Fla. Loser: TBay.
;_;
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Eh....Last I saw he said we win the WC or division
I forget
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Pissed!!!
I feel like the Rays have thrown in the towel on the season…I don’t get it! Been pissed since hearing about the Victor Martinez to the Red Sox deal. Can’t believe how it changed my mood today…from hope and optimism to complete disappointment.
Weren't you supposed to go die in a fire?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate everyone.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
#43, he always had a cute look in his eyes when he told me to die in a fire
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
48) He always had the best way with words. Just when I needed picking up, he'd lean over to me, his hot breath in my ear, the warmth of his touch on my supple breast, and he'd whisper,"I'm going to cut you open with a saudering iron."
by Suttree on Jul 31, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wanna give another go to spelling soldering?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
7/10, I have to deduct for spelling
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't forget that soldering irons don't cut anything
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
But implausable. Please rent some This Old House DVDs and try your burn again later
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never seen a lawyer at work period. They're like black outfielders
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Murders and executions?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
O! Africa Brave Africa
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a... laugh riot.
If you’ll excuse me I have a lunch appointment with Cliff Huxtable at the Four Seasons.
SPORTS!
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I do know a lot about these
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
He could use the not hot side, with a knife attatched
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You've never seen a soldering iron have you?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Kinda like a screwdriver?
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Not a cutting tool
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
ITS FOR MELDING THINGS TOGETHER NOT RENDING THEM ASSUNDER
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
The extra "s" is for safety
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
READ ABOVE DINGUS
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
does that plug into a cigarette lighter?
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jul 31, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
What, you've never had to solder on the go?
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Pulling over onto the solder of the highway?
by Thaddeus? on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Boooooooooooooooooo
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
only while using my portable deep fryer on the way to work
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
if you're soldering electrical wires in your car
shouldn’t the battery be unplugged anyway so you don’t get electrocuted, rendering the lighter plug a retarded design flaw?
A reporter once asked Rickey Henderson if he talked to himself, "Do I talk to myself? No, I just remind myself of what I’m trying to do. You know, I never answer myself so how can I be talking to myself?"
by Zobrist on deck on Jul 31, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I envision this said by Bob Vila
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
JonathanMayoB3OK, now done, Richard, Poreda, Adam Russell, Dexter Carter for Peavy #mlbtrades
Jesus christ
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Both of those times was Magrane reminiscing
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Just looks like our guys are just gonna have to pull it together
Step it up boys, I know you can do it
I'm sure the team is going to really be demoralized now that the Front Office has determined it's good enough to win
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Or not good enough to win
Even with a move.
This team has no history of winning
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
No history of winning, no playoff experience.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
We wrote a page of history last year
I think they have the ability to write some more pages, and foresight
No grit. No heart. No hustle.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat better pull an Ibanez
and stroke it for the last two months of the year
Sorry we couldn't replace you guys or get rid of you.
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would they mention the Rays?
The Rays did absolutely nothing today.
OH MY GOD WE SIGNED BARRY BONDS
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions
"After time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing after all as wanting."
"That's not baseball. Little numbers in a newspaper is...So-dookie, or whatever."
I asked for a car, I got a computer. How's that for being born under a bad sign?
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
She had herpes
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I could have been the Walrus, but I'd still have to bum rides off of people.
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
It's really never a good idea to acknowledge the existance of the Old White Lady
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by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 31, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's fucking do this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZ6f5r64F-I
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Rays can win if
Pena becomes awesome again and Kazmir becomes really good again and Burrell stops sucking and June BJ resurfaces. Screw trades. Oh, and Price stops sucking too.
This
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by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 31, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
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