J.P. Howell Robbed of Proper Recognition, Again

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2009 2:05 PM EDT Comment 43 comments

Hilarious.

Pitcher	ERA	FIP	tRA	pLI	Saves
Howell	1.63	2.47	2.97	1.57	6
Rivera	2.6	2.75	2.86	1.7	21
Papelbon	1.75	4.12	4.4	2.38	20

Either you go by traditional means like ERA, and he's the best of the three, or you go by tRA/FIP, and he's still better than Papelbon. You can't say he's not a high leverage reliever, otherwise Rivera is nearly in the same boat. This came down to saves, plain and simple. I guess the good news is that this keeps his arbitration costs down.

Oh yay!

tborays@ehahmann Maddon said he felt Fuentes deserved it b/c he's the saves leader

Quick comparison of these two:

Pitcher	ERA	FIP	tRA	pLI	Saves
Howell	1.63	2.47	2.97	1.57	6
Fuentes	3.49	3.11	3.03	2.19	23

It's almost like J.P. Howell is one of the three best relievers in the American League.

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Add in Fuentes!

Swav or Die
For the lulz

by SRQman on Jul 5, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Done.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you really expect JP to get in instead of of Mo or Papelbon?

Till the play by play and analysts start giving advanced stats some coverage, it is what it is

by Raymondo on Jul 5, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

His ERA is lower than both.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm on your side TJ

They love the save stat

Who are the reserves?

by Raymondo on Jul 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

^RJ

by Raymondo on Jul 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The players voted in Halladay, Wakefield, Greinke, Papelbon and Rivera. The rest are reserves.

The players are the ones who fucked it up. Again.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is it just me, or does Tim Wakefield make absolutely no sense?

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but he has ten wins!!

ugh

by mslowins on Jul 5, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

this kinda does piss me off.

by daveh33 on Jul 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The fact that anybody thinks that Wakefield is any good, someone who attributes the quality of his pitches directly to how windy it is outside, is baffling.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

at least Papsmear isn't gonna be there

by daveh33 on Jul 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

How do you figure?

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

fuck, i hate how i’ll have to watch him and pedroia and youkilis.

I knew youkilis would make it but damnit, KINSLER

by daveh33 on Jul 5, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1 jew per year, sorry Kinsler and Braun

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait did Marquis make it?

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes. And Hawpe.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nevermind, I see your point.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Braun made it

Swav or Die
For the lulz

by SRQman on Jul 5, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Is he a starter?

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Swav or Die
For the lulz

by SRQman on Jul 5, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

so kinsler is the only jew left out

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 5, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he'll win the fan vote i think/hope

by daveh33 on Jul 5, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

INTERNATIONAL BANKERS

Until Next Time,
The Sports Chief

by Top Gun Numba 1 on Jul 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

int'l bankers LOVE the final vote

by daveh33 on Jul 5, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Voting for Ian Kinsler is the final solution to the All Star Game problem.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty disgusting the way this plays out every year...

Go to hell Jeter/Papeldouche…

Hey at least Barts/Zorilla are going… Maybe they will make something happen and get some recognition

by Rjw123 on Jul 5, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

The Rays have the 2nd most players on the roster in the AL, behind Boston

And the most rediculous choices are Pedroia, Papelbon, and Wakefield, with Curtis Granderson running not that far behind.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If maddon wasn't manager would they still have as many players?

The fact that jeter is starting at short is lame… I don’t care if the rays have every single backup spot

by Rjw123 on Jul 5, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only player Maddon picked was Zobrist.

Longo was voted in by the fans, CC and Bartlett by the players. The fact that Bartlett made the team makes Jeter not sound so rediculous. The fact that Pedroia makes it while Kinsler has to try to get in on the final 5 ballot is the exact opposite.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

*only player = only Rays player manager selection

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed on Pedoia, Disagree on Jeter/Bartlett

I’m not saying this isn’t to be expected, I am saying that is annoying the way this goes down. Maybe it’s just my disgust for popularity contests as a whole…

by Rjw123 on Jul 5, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs