7/8 GDT Toronto Blue Jays @ Tampa Bay Rays
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OT (but not really): BJ Ryan was just released today by the Jays
They owe him $10 million this year. Maybe a thought for a setup man? Since we would sign him for the minimum
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
We'll let him pitch right after Price...
And see which lefty can walk the most in their two innings of work.
M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!
ehh frig the idea
Who needs him when we got Wheels setting up anyway.
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
by Gone Phishing on Jul 8, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I commented.
I guess that can be our little soccer haven so that Erik doesn’t tap our chests real hard and nod at the site banner. Put the link in your sig and maybe that stupid Yid bastard Suttree can go have a look.
If you need help or anything content related, let me know.
So long, Sweet Lime!
Great job by the US Men's Team to get someone on the main stage like that. I hope he can prove himself.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He is, but the men's team coach shuffles things around a lot.
He stepped up big time when Bocanegra went down in the Confederations Cup tourney.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
as of now, milan is wicked thin on defense and going after three cups
so gooch will get plenty of important minutes. honestly, he was pretty bad for newcastle, but he’s made strides and i think serie a is more of a fit to his physical talents, as is the champions league. i do believe he’ll come good. future usmnt captain, imo.
So long, Sweet Lime!
For anyone who cares, Durhams game is available on channelsurfing.net again
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Jason Cromer is on the mound if anyone wants to check him out, stats are good at face value
also Tony Armas on the hill for Gwinnet.
We've seen Tallet i believe
No excuses, let’s pound him
Ughhh
Government websites in the U.S. and South Korea were hit by a major cyberattack beginning on July 4, which intelligence officials believe were launched by hackers sympathetic to the authoritarian regime in North Korea.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Also, Demolition lost the tag team titles.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Long story. But I found it funny.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHA
I laughed for what it’s worth. Was it Axe or Smash that got pinned?
M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!
It was an old joke. Anytime mentioned news that was old, the response was "Did you hear Demolition lost the tag titles?"
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Pitching primes don't work like hitters primes.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
He hit 96 like twice in his career.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
In the middle of the 2007 season
He was throwing mid-90s almost every start, and he had one start in Seattle where everything he was throwing the entire night was 94-97 (he hit 99 MPH one time).
Hello.
hopefully that radar gun is just wrong
Because it he’s throwing 86mph then he’s back to where he was a few weeks ago with him mechanics.
Gameday has him at 91-93 btw
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well, it's nice
because I’m always ready for the big play. I mean, I can’t get off if I’m not hard right?
I could be wrong though
Kaz threw 3 2 seamers
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
YOU FAT FUCKING FUCK
FUCK YOU NAVI.
(I do not support the DFA of navarro yet.)
I could be wrong though
What will it take
for you to join the DFA of navi club?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
the end of the season.
I still have hope for some reason. He’ll turn it around
I could be wrong though
Why would you DFA him?
He’s a better player than Michel Hernandez or Shawn Riggans. Plus, he does have an all-star game under his belt and was formerly a top prospect.
He’s played poor, but there’s no chance in hell someone doesn’t pluck him.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
What is his defensive WAR?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Defensive stats suck for catchers
Quite clearly he sucks the nuts. I mean hell they just charged a WP against Kaz where 99% of catchers would have blocked the ball with ease
Isn't there anything similar?
I thought there was IIRC….
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Rally does it on baseballprojection.com
And Tango has done work on it, but nothing so much as for FG to try it.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Is it because Catcher is such a crazy, un-quantifiable position?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
This is what Dave's explanation was.
The other important point to make here is that you’ll notice that catchers have no values entered in the Fielding portion of their Win Values. Evaluating catcher defense is something we’re simply not very good at right now, and while there are strides being made (including a great article by Tom Tango in the 2009 Hardball Times Annual), there’s a lot of things that we haven’t figured out how to quantify yet. So, we’ve just left catchers alone, ranking them all as league average, and will let you all adjust their final win value however you’d like to reflect their defensive value relative to other catchers.
If you think Joe Mauer’s catching abilities and leadership are worth one win, just add one win to what we display as his win value here. Quantifying catching defense is something that we just haven’t figured out yet, and so we’re not pretending that we have. Consider it an opportunity to fill in the blanks.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
All you gotta do is watch Navi
He really sucks. Last year he was better, but this year it is like he has actually become lazy.
I know his defense is awful.
I just want numbers to back it up.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Just check his CS% relative to league average and PB+WP/G or whatever it is THT carries.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah. I guess the lack of put-outs and interaction with balls in play would make it near impossible.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
And the WP/PB thing is pretty subjective. It's like error/hit.
And not every SB is created equal if you’re playing with Maddux/Pettitte.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Besides.
The spread between best/worst defender at most positions is about a win. If you think Zaun is God, give him 5 runs, and if Navarro is a dog, give him -5, or whatever.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate it when people talk about framing, but the offensive differences make me want Zaun
Whether that helps coax a few strike calls or not, we’ll see, but Zaaaaaaun.
Except for the Rush intro...
Wow. That’s an amazing Flash site.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
THOSE WHO WISH TO BE
MUST PUT ASIDE THE ALIENATION
GET ON WITH THE FASCINATION
THE REAL RELATION, THE UNDERLYING THEME
Selgy
I hate Rush with a fiery passion.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Framing shouldn't matter if the umps were good
But it does help. The Jays pitcher last night probably got a few extra strike calls due to a competent catcher.
Navi is pathetic defensively. He is a black hole.
I gotta ask...
If it is Longoria’s hamstring that’s keeping him in his month-long slump (8 RBI in June??? 8?!?!?), why not DL him to get him healthy? Willy Aybar seems more than capable enough to fill in.
Compare him pre-inury to post-injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s clear. Why not give him the time to get back to being healthy?
That was just one sign.
The fact that he’s hitting .200 since the injury is what makes me concerned. And he’s only slugging .360 in that time, which means he isn’t driving the ball.
Holy crap how can they charge that on Kazmir
I went back and reviewed it and that was the worst piece of catching. He just turned his glove over, didn’t move his body, and the ball bounced right past his glove.
Got out of that inning
It was lookin dangerous but Kaz said, “I got this”
Kazmir's changeup has become damn good
and lord knows he needs it with the decreased velocity and inconsistent slider.
Hello.
Apparently David Aardsma got fucked by his infield defense.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I was watching MLBN earlier and Woodward misplayed a ball that let Zaun get into third.
I bet they would do a lot of unholy things for Brignac. So cute.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Balfour needs a full metal-beard.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I've noticed that pitchers are no longer giving Longoria anything other than curves and changeups really low in the zone
And that might be as much of a reason for the slump as his injury. Perhaps.
and another question, how does gameday distinguish between "soft" and "sharp" hits and flyouts?
is the process scientific!?
Tallet belongs on the Rangers with that 'Fro
That team’s full of ’em
No
We usually can’t hit crappy pitching and we definitely cannot hit young pitching.
We're still hitting lefties better, wee.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we are
We just can’t hit young pitchers or crappy pitchers.
It just amazes me how we do okay vs solid guys then a horrible pitcher will shut us out
I would argue that we don't see that many crappy pitchers.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it depends how you want to define it
I’m talking more in relative terms. We seem to fail against the worst pitchers that we face. The guy last night wasn’t exactly Johan Santana.
If Johan is the baseline, then yes, we've faced mostly crappy pitchers.
If the guy is average, we should expect to beat him, but he wouldn’t be average without a few good starts mixed in.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Johan is great obviously
The point is pitchers like last night, who shouldn’t be anywhere close to average, dominates our team far more than they should.
And even the “average” pitchers that have good starts mixed in seem to have their good starts against us and their bad ones against others.
I don’t see how you don’t notice the same thing. Below average pitchers throw gems against us way too often.
For Tallet hopefully.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
First pitch like that CC has chased all year it seems.
He always used to do that.
Sign lady must die.
OT: Wandy Rodriguez
is a beast as of late
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Between the Red Rose Inn & Suites commercial and the Just for Men commercial
FSN is home to some truly weird advertising
Kazmir: 39 pitches through 3
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Similar to his last start.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
He's definitely been the Ray that most defines the team for me
and he’s been awesome the whole time too
I could be wrong though
Maybe they can slip in
a Hit Show commercial sometime between now and Saturday. Just for the sake of nostalgia. And irony.
It worked last night, I'll do it again
We all know PTB is not going to come through here.
10-10 would rec again
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Kevin Kennedy's words, not mine.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha oh wow
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don't kill this rally!!
Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
So, maybe no B.J. or 2 outs with B.J. up?
Hm.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
N avi would be out since he was skipped
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
pitcher gets to hit, IMO
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Please don’t kill this rally!!
Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Navi can be serviceable if he hits like that
Short and compact just trying to spray line drive singles
NAVI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Even a retarded prospector strikes gold 6 out of 13 times
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
It was a strike
Good pitch to hit too. Close though so I don’t blame him for taking it. But belt high middle of the plate is juicy
Strikezones changing mid inning are awesome!
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm talking about the zone changing from tight to wide within two batters.
Strike two to Crawford was a ball against Kapler/Navarro.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Gameday
is still stuck on the Kapler AB- it loves jews
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Replacement level.
Boston could do a lot better.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Although, if they want to use him at first base all season, then by all means, please do.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't
they call up (insert name here) to play 1B this season!!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
And
Rolen extends his hit streak to 22 games
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
So where was our offense for the past five days?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Those were good pitchers.
Chances are they were left handed too.
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
We can't hit leftys
no matter how bad they are
by putupyourDUKES on Jul 8, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
but tallet=lhp
…
www.draysbay.com
by Tommy Rancel on Jul 8, 2009 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Don't worry, he's a troll
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
goodness gracious
scott- this is the jays
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Gamecast showed
the 1st and 2nd pitches strikes!!!
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Many hitters crouch when they swing
So the vertical portion of the zone looks a lot smaller than what it really should be
Without adjusting, I usually just focus on obvious misses in the zone, or bad calls on the outside.
The plate isn’t changing sizes.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah horizontal is where I am more concerned
Umps shrink the vertical strike zone from what it should be so I don’t see how players can bitch. I guess they have a gripe if it is changing all the time. But in my eyes if it is a regulation strike then you cant really complain. The horizontal crap is ridiculous. Calling stuff inches off the place is horrible. That crap can’t even be hit.
yeah, but we'd be leading 5-4
It was a costly play by Pena
Alll our young pitchers
are emo
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
If he wasn't hurt I'd bitch about that
Crap like that really annoys me. Extra bases are pretty important
WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
by steve-o1285 on Jul 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
just here to say wow Zobrist
and wow BJ
I WAS gonna say wow Kaz till he blew up in the 4th
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
You are late.
i thought you were waiting till we won the game
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I had to post after we finally got production from the middle of the order
Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!
I'm actually okay with Kaz
I think his true talent has really dropped because of the decline in velocity, but I do think he is vastly better now. His control is much better. He is barely missing. When he wants to throw a strike he is throwing it or getting damn close. That is far better than before when he couldn’t hit the ocean from the beach.
I mostly agree...
He looks better. He’s still nibbling too much on the edges, it just seems he needs to come in the zone more when bases are empty or fewer on.
Since the adjustment?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
haha and i just said I'm okay with him
Im just sick of the 5 walks in 2 inning type outings.
Well, 2 per 20 batters faced.
And his K/BB ratio is going to be far greater than 1. Not worried.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
He will finish with 6 to 7 IP
2 homers, 5k’s, 3 walks, 5 or 6 runs
Obviously not good, but the tRA will drop
His PC is still decent
Also, he's expected to give up 5 runs to this point.
That’s scary accurate.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The solo shots really aren't the issue...
Strikeout pitchers can give those up. It’s the walks and baserunners that are concerning…
It's part luck...
And partly how you pitch someone… He wasn’t really attacking anyone that last inning. Not really going to give up HRs like that.
Kazmir has given up a significantly higher ratio of homeruns when no one is on...
For his career… It’s not really a fluke.
He has actually been sort of lucky
2 baserunners an inning giving up .5 home runs in an inning. That could easily be more than 5 runs
I will do one better
Somewhere, James Shields wants a trade- he is speaking to friedman now.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
HOW DARE YOU
NOT MENTION JAMES SHIELDS, HE CARES TOO?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5SDzk0LqjI
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Navi out of the way
So important for the 8th hitter to get Navi up each time so we can lead the next inning with Upton.
Nope, but it goes into the tRA formula since it's an automatic out.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
And his tRA is now sub-9.
Strikeouts are yummy.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess that makes sense...
If you have above average sink, it’s a GB no matter how hard it’s hit, but if you have above-average rise, you are only going to get FB, not necessarily IFFB. Is that about right?
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
For the most part.
IFFBs don’t have great year-to-year correlation, although I forget what the exact correlation is.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmm it is wacky wednesday
sounds like a solid dinner
I like it.
7/10 for creativity.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is better than a whole lotta suck.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Desmond Jennings triples (7) on a fly ball to center fielder James Adduci.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
An outfield of CC/BJ/DJ is just unfair
2009 Rays Baseball: Still Kings of the Sunshine State
by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
hasn't kapler
homerd to left?
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm wondering, that or maybe the roof is slanted oddly.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's slanted to reduce cooling costs.
It could be a factor. Depends on where the return vents are.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe they should turn off the AC when the Rays are batting
nothing like a little Home Field advantage
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
AJ Burnett looks like Big Bird from Sesame Street.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Everytime BJ gets doubled up from first base
an angel cries
That was a Dan Wheeler fastball
90mph right down the middle
It was
considered a wild pitch
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It has to be scored as something...
you think it’s a passed ball? I don’t think you can blame Navi for not anticipating it would bounce off the plate over his head. I don’t know, maybe you can…. the way Navi’s been playing he should probably take the blame for a lot of things.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Not calling a good game
considered one of em
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The guy I feel most comfortable with right now after Shields is
Jeff Niemann. Sad but true
Kap-rilla???
But GARRRRRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAA
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
sigh yeah
sadly- i agree
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
So I just got in; is the score indicitive of Kaz's performance on the mound?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
So in other words, he wasn't particularly sharp, but he wasn't 6 runs bad?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Yes
that’s pretty much it
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree he has been pretty bad
He has worked out of some jams too. It could easily be worse
Kap-rilla???
Has he been pretty bad?
2:1 K:BB
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Well all you ever do on this site is hate on shit, so I'm not really taking your opinion to be worth much.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Ump was squeezing him in the 4th too
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
If he's getting 6IP in around 100 pitches, I'd call it better then his previous starts as long as he wasn't lit up like a pinball machine.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
He hasn't been hit hard, per say.
50% of his balls in play have been fly balls though, so a few homeruns were to be expected.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm really liking what I'm seeing.
I still think he’s going to get better as the season goes on and barring injury, probably near the end of the season, he’s going to go on a big tear.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Hopefully.
He did better swinging strikes wise against Toronto than Niemann and Garza did, so that’s a plus. ~8%.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Without using stats, the biggest thing I've seen out of him.
Each start, his slider has looked better.
In his first start back, he still had his crappy slider, which was basically a downward breaking fastball. Last start, he had that slider most of the time too, but he threw a couple that were really good looking, where it appeared to be a sweeping fastball then just dove down and in right at the plate. It was hard to notice, because both of them were to the hackalicious twins on the rangers.
I only caught the 6th, and saw two sliders that inning. They were better then his crap one but didn’t break as hard as those two really good ones last game. His slider is ‘coming back to him’ so to speak. We have to remember that Kaz hasn’t been healthy for a year and a half, he’s going to have some rust on him.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Well, the stats back up that his slider is breaking more.
So you’re right about the movement coming back.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a bit harder for me to see it on the other pitches
But I imagine that they’re going to become more lively as the season wears on.
Then, when he goes on his tear at the end of the season and is clearly the best pitcher on the staff, we trade him.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
To a certain degree
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
that was amazing
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Not exactly
good, his command was amazing
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
*****Sorry, Not amazing
better but not amazing
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
by 4QB on Jul 8, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Oliver Perez:
5 IP, 2K, 7BB, 2ER
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I'm really starting to hate seeing Balfour on the mound.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
How the hell did he manage to go 13 straight appearances without giving up a run?
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
This is called making sure your starting pitchers don't get rewarded for their performances on the mound.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
He's being sarcastic because I told him upthread I didn't value his opinion that much.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I don't understand your reply, I don't think you understand my post.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I took it as
Making sure your SP don’t get rewarded for their (bad) performances.
Now I see you seriously thought he deserved a win
Kap-rilla???
Not really, but he did leave with the lead, and it's been a trend for this team to reward pitchers for OK or worse performances with victories.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Balfour brought out a gas can instead of a fire extinguisher.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
That was such a questionable signing when they did it, now they're going to eat all that money.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
You can't let
things like numbers and facts get in the way of a stupid argument, you just can’t.
It's like someone told him after that awful at-bat that if he ever did that again, he'd be on a plane to Durham.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Well...
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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Even sarcastic optimism is still optimism
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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait..
I thought Hickey and Maddon were pros at seeing when the pitchers were tired?
Wow, he can kill a rally w/o doing anything wrong
lol
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Ted Rogers. Former owner
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
"There's Evan longoria. The Rays will definetly walk him."
Thanks Dewayne
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Kinsler's about to get fucked thanks to Brandon Inge.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
still can't believe Kinsler didn't make it
but there were so many good candidates at 2B
Kap-rilla???
He has the best offensive numbers and is a solid defender. He should have been starter, and Pedroia has no business being in the ASG.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I could understand Figgins instead of Kinsler
but Inge? Seriously?
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There's one more day and Inge took over the lead.
I’m torn between continuing to pump ballots for Los, whose in 4th, or voting for Kinsler to right that wrong.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Inge is a fantastic defender.
Longo level.
And his bat has been good this year.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Inge is pretty good, but Kinsler is better.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely OT: I am not a fan of MMA, but I really want to see the Lesnar/Mir fight.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I am a fan of mma, I've got Mir by sub in the 2nd
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
If the fight actually makes it to the 2nd round, I'd be stunned. I think it's going to look a whole lot like the first.
Lesnar’s going to smash the fuck out of him, and he’s going to have to force a submission to win. He won’t be able to outlast a barrage by Lesnar. He’s strong. Retard strong.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
I don't follow it enough but if everything I've heard about Lesnar and him improving his submission defense is accurate, I don't see how Mir wins the fight.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Mir's Black Belt and Grappling Tourney Acumen >>> Lesnar's Purple Belt from Minnesota MMA
Mir has the more prestigous trainers, It may keep lesnar from falling for the really obvious leglocks, but IF(Medium-Big If) Mir can keep Lesnar in his guard and out of mount, I can’t see it ending well for Lesnar.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Lesnar was a champion NCAA wrestler too, it's not like he doesn't know how to grapple.
But I’m not trying to take an opposing opinion against you, I don’t dare test my knowledge on MMA against anyone.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Nah, I know. He's going to take down Mir at will. If he wants.
But I doubt he passes guard and I doubt he can avoid the sub with Mir on his back.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
This is true, he wasn't able to break through Mir's guard in the first fight.
To his credit, he literally punched right through it more than a few times; however he’s actually not as strong now as he was then. He’s clearly adapted his training to involve more technique and probably flexibility at the cost of pure strength. He’s still stupid strong, but I don’t imagine that he’s strong enough anymore to blast his way through a good guard.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Plus most of those shots were to the back of Mir's head.
Lesnar’s best chance at this fight is to clinch with Mir and just punishing his body with knees, and look for the big right hook in scrambles. Which could very well happen.
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
I know it's only been a year, but if the Mir that shows up in the Nog fight comes(IE: Actually showing hand speed and striking defense), plus, lesnar's still very, very raw. His straight right looks incredibly clunky and slow coming out.
Lest we forget Heath herring’s always been overrated for beating the freakshow fighters in Japan, and Couture’s historically bad chin couldn’t have gotten any better in a 1.5 year layoff.
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I'll have to take your word for it.
But I’m sure I’ll be entertained regardless of outcome.
I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.
Obviously, I pumped. Stacked card from top to bottom
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lol
I think they have been below replacement for the past 8 years or so
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Here’s how manager Ozzie Guillen described the [Colon] situation to a group of reporters just before game time Wednesday: “To talk to Colon, you’ve got to talk to 20 different people. You got to talk to 30 different cousins, and then to his agent, who talks to his brother, his brother call his wife, his wife say he’s with Pedro, Pedro say he’s with Juan. I guarantee you I’ll call [President Barack] Obama, and we’ll have a talk before Colon answers the phone.”
I love talking to
30 different cousins, a brother, a wife, talking to pedro to juan. and then obama
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Bradford has been horrible in his outings this year
By horrible I mean Nick Swisher is better
He did his job and got GB
Sometimes they go for hits.
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say he sucked
I said he has been horrible in his outings. 3 IP and 10 hits qualifies as horrible
BABIP .518
23.1% LD, 53.8% GB, 23.1%FB
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually that doesn't include this game
Now it is 3 innings and 10 hits……
That isn’t good
He's getting groundballs...
I have no idea when I’d prefer him in the game. Bases empty and you figure someone will get on. Hate to see him come on with guys on base…
Fangraphs shows 6 hits
so I think your original numbers did include today’s
by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
fangraphs is behind
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?playerId=3900
That is the gamelogs prior to tonight
So they finally blocked the channel 717 on brighthouse
I had been getting it for free all year. It was the HD MLB Extra Innings
Kap-rilla???
Entire three-game series in TOR last week: 15 runs.
Tonight, 18 runs. And at least one more to come.
Maddon plays around with sabermetrics too much
he’s a dumb manager, fire him now.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
I am bringing my rally power
3 guys I would want up there are coming up
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So
I assume Gabraham Gross is up there pinch hitting for kappy.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
This has been the best home plate umpire ive seen this year
He missed one call to CC, but other than that has been consistent and more or less correct.
Been making their bullpen work a lot
Now just need to square one up
Haha
Espn does not have a picture of Gabe Gross on gamecast, and in other news:
Chance of scoring 1+run this inning: 13.66%
Chance of scoring 2 run this inning: 7.88%
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
26 pitches by Frasor
He’s thrown 1/4 of a start
Well, Navi's gonna fuck this up
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
If he puts pads on....
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a song about menstruating?
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, 9 runs fucking sucks
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Whatever, this is still a great game
Tied in the ninth inning, it don’t get any better than this
SHE HIT THE FLO
SHE HIT THE FLO
why was Downs activated for today
another god damn lefty, maybe the best damn RP in the league
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I don't understand that one.
I like Waybar but Navi was having a damn good game.
Willy was hitting .290 vs .191 for Navi they said
by Transplanted on Jul 8, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his point was that Navi was having a pretty good game
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just need a single, but i'm not gonna argue pinch hitting for Navi
even though he was having a good game
Kap-rilla???
Is Niemann available?
cuz if not we have Cormier, Howell (for a lil while) and a tired Wheeler
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JAMES. PHILLIP. HOWELL..
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Didn't Kaz make it to the 7th?
That’s a lot of IP for Kaz
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Oh well, at least it keeps his costs down.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe I want to extend a reliever.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm fairly certain he'll get to the ASG. Filling an injury spot.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Now that Downs is healthy, I'm not so sure.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope so.
But cost control is very nice, indeed.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt he even cares about money.
I’m pretty sure his entire off-season is spent at his parents house playing NCAA football and ‘chillin’.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a great image.
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
HOWELL JUST...KICKED SOME ICE
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CHILL OUT.
/mr. freeze
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Blue Jays should just serve up meatballs
end this game so everyone can go home & rest up for the day game
I hear a BJ chant!
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Who do the Jays have left?
I assume this will be Downs
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well he was activated
if we start a rally, im sure he will come in
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So
Its our really hot CF- Some guy named Carl- a guy who can only hit doubles and is in a slump vs. well whoever- this is fun
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
Somewhere, BJ Ryan is cackling in the dark and drinking lots of Michelob Lights:
“Hahaha, suffer in the extra innings now, fags.”
Yeah but he's Canadian so that's a normal night.
by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I always thought Downs looked like Christian Bale
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STEAL STEAL STEAL STEAL
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Do I owe you royalties that your probably not going to get?
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i think he should steal
I know about Chavez but a single winning it is nice
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I like the part where
Our top 2 have a combined 73 steals now
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How many lefties does this team have?
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I say Pena beats Downs
as his 1st batter back will be a fail
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WALK OFF STEAL OF HOME
Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.
Fucking Yankees
It would be nice if they would ever lose another game.
Uhhh...
the BoSox are much better, as are we, in my opinion.
ZORILLA FROM THE RIGHT SIDE WOO
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Late Inning Lightning time. Right now.
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions
I'm guessing Nando
Sign lady must die.
by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
FUCK YOUN SCOTTY DOWNS
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HIS ARM WAS IN THE SLUT
RD over and out.
by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
WALK OFF AGAIN
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Who is that guy, joeybw or something that said we would beat Downs
series win 4-1 against the Jays
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And another win for The Vulture!!
Just like the good ’ole days!
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Damn it
downs was activated from the DL, i need to activate him off the DL in fantasy but i am going to hold off.
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
sig change time
He doesnt look like a bust lately
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i'm waiting until he has more homers
than Navi
Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you
I love the defeat from the TSN announcers
on the Zobrist game-winner.
That what you get
for trying to trump the US with a Canada day
"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey
will anyone on the team even be up
Maybe Halladay will be sleepy
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