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Toronto Blue Jays at Tampa Bay Rays, Jul 8, 2009 7:08 PM EDT


American League Wild Card Standings

W L PCT GB STRK
New York 49 34 .590 0 Won 1
Texas 46 36 .560 2.5 Won 1
Tampa Bay 45 39 .535 4.5 Won 1
Chicago 43 40 .518 6 Won 1
Seattle 43 40 .518 6 Lost 1
Minnesota 43 41 .511 6.5 Lost 1
Toronto 43 42 .505 7 Lost 1
Baltimore 37 47 .440 12.5 Won 1
Kansas City 36 47 .433 13 Lost 1
Oakland 35 47 .426 13.5 Lost 1
Cleveland 33 51 .392 16.5 Lost 2

(updated 7.8.2009 at 4:34 PM EDT)

Brian Tallet

#56 / Pitcher / Toronto Blue Jays

6-6

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Sep 21, 1977


That is a mighty fine 'stache.

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OT (but not really): BJ Ryan was just released today by the Jays

They owe him $10 million this year. Maybe a thought for a setup man? Since we would sign him for the minimum

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Jul 8, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We'll let him pitch right after Price...

And see which lefty can walk the most in their two innings of work.

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ehh frig the idea

Who needs him when we got Wheels setting up anyway.

"Doesn't Manny Ramirez look like the monster from Predator??" - Will Farrell as Harry Carey

by Gone Phishing on Jul 8, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I commented.

I guess that can be our little soccer haven so that Erik doesn’t tap our chests real hard and nod at the site banner. Put the link in your sig and maybe that stupid Yid bastard Suttree can go have a look.

If you need help or anything content related, let me know.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 8, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm in

You look mostly at EPL? How ’bout Onyewu going to Milan?

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is, but the men's team coach shuffles things around a lot.

He stepped up big time when Bocanegra went down in the Confederations Cup tourney.

RD over and out.

by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as of now, milan is wicked thin on defense and going after three cups

so gooch will get plenty of important minutes. honestly, he was pretty bad for newcastle, but he’s made strides and i think serie a is more of a fit to his physical talents, as is the champions league. i do believe he’ll come good. future usmnt captain, imo.

So long, Sweet Lime!

by PlayOnWords on Jul 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obligatory

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We've seen Tallet i believe

No excuses, let’s pound him

by Raymondo on Jul 8, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our patience should pay off

Tallet will walk people

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ughhh

Government websites in the U.S. and South Korea were hit by a major cyberattack beginning on July 4, which intelligence officials believe were launched by hackers sympathetic to the authoritarian regime in North Korea.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What?

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHAHA

I laughed for what it’s worth. Was it Axe or Smash that got pinned?

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

86mph.....

whatever gets ’em out I guess

by behn on Jul 8, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He hit 96 like twice in his career.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the middle of the 2007 season

He was throwing mid-90s almost every start, and he had one start in Seattle where everything he was throwing the entire night was 94-97 (he hit 99 MPH one time).

Hello.

by killa3312 on Jul 8, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CHANGE

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's not sexy.

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir'd

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday has him at 91-93 btw

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Walks are sexy

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I get hard when the both score.

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't get rid of my boner

I have a problem

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Must be tough...

Especially with Zobrist up.

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, it's nice

because I’m always ready for the big play. I mean, I can’t get off if I’m not hard right?

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There it was

I just came

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kaz threw 3 2 seamers

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BEEJUS

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BEEEEEJ!!!

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YES!!!!!!

jizz in my pants

by behn on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOW!

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's nasty.

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Third career steal of home.

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bench BJ

Damn Maddon and his mission

by GvilleRay on Jul 8, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Public Service Announcement.

Do not watch Knowing. Horrible flick.

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I stopped watching halfway through

by GvilleRay on Jul 8, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir'd

M.V.Z. Most Valuable Zorilla!

by SeanDubbs on Jul 8, 2009 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

si senor

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not sexy

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least Kaz knows who's at fault this time....

He was pointing to himself.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YOU FAT FUCKING FUCK

FUCK YOU NAVI.

(I do not support the DFA of navarro yet.)

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What will it take

for you to join the DFA of navi club?

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the end of the season.

I still have hope for some reason. He’ll turn it around

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you DFA him?

He’s a better player than Michel Hernandez or Shawn Riggans. Plus, he does have an all-star game under his belt and was formerly a top prospect.

He’s played poor, but there’s no chance in hell someone doesn’t pluck him.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defensive stats suck for catchers

Quite clearly he sucks the nuts. I mean hell they just charged a WP against Kaz where 99% of catchers would have blocked the ball with ease

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't there anything similar?

I thought there was IIRC….

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rally does it on baseballprojection.com

And Tango has done work on it, but nothing so much as for FG to try it.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It boggles the mind

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is what Dave's explanation was.
The other important point to make here is that you’ll notice that catchers have no values entered in the Fielding portion of their Win Values. Evaluating catcher defense is something we’re simply not very good at right now, and while there are strides being made (including a great article by Tom Tango in the 2009 Hardball Times Annual), there’s a lot of things that we haven’t figured out how to quantify yet. So, we’ve just left catchers alone, ranking them all as league average, and will let you all adjust their final win value however you’d like to reflect their defensive value relative to other catchers.

If you think Joe Mauer’s catching abilities and leadership are worth one win, just add one win to what we display as his win value here. Quantifying catching defense is something that we just haven’t figured out yet, and so we’re not pretending that we have. Consider it an opportunity to fill in the blanks.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All you gotta do is watch Navi

He really sucks. Last year he was better, but this year it is like he has actually become lazy.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know his defense is awful.

I just want numbers to back it up.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DNE

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*sadface*

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And the WP/PB thing is pretty subjective. It's like error/hit.

And not every SB is created equal if you’re playing with Maddux/Pettitte.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

True.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Besides.

The spread between best/worst defender at most positions is about a win. If you think Zaun is God, give him 5 runs, and if Navarro is a dog, give him -5, or whatever.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but

RallyKiller!!!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kitty Kaz

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate it when people talk about framing, but the offensive differences make me want Zaun

Whether that helps coax a few strike calls or not, we’ll see, but Zaaaaaaun.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Khaaaaaan!?

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing

intro

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except for the Rush intro...

Wow. That’s an amazing Flash site.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THOSE WHO WISH TO BE

MUST PUT ASIDE THE ALIENATION
GET ON WITH THE FASCINATION
THE REAL RELATION, THE UNDERLYING THEME

Selgy

by mittens on Jul 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Framing shouldn't matter if the umps were good

But it does help. The Jays pitcher last night probably got a few extra strike calls due to a competent catcher.

Navi is pathetic defensively. He is a black hole.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I gotta ask...

If it is Longoria’s hamstring that’s keeping him in his month-long slump (8 RBI in June??? 8?!?!?), why not DL him to get him healthy? Willy Aybar seems more than capable enough to fill in.

Compare him pre-inury to post-injury. He’s not the same guy. It’s clear. Why not give him the time to get back to being healthy?

by rich101682 on Jul 8, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was just one sign.

The fact that he’s hitting .200 since the injury is what makes me concerned. And he’s only slugging .360 in that time, which means he isn’t driving the ball.

by rich101682 on Jul 8, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap how can they charge that on Kazmir

I went back and reviewed it and that was the worst piece of catching. He just turned his glove over, didn’t move his body, and the ball bounced right past his glove.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KKitty KKaz

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Got out of that inning

It was lookin dangerous but Kaz said, “I got this”

by Zach Attack on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir's changeup has become damn good

and lord knows he needs it with the decreased velocity and inconsistent slider.

Hello.

by killa3312 on Jul 8, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Double, Walk, Single, Single, Fail-Error, Single, Forceout-2B, error, single, forceout-2B—————-Overall-Fail

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PTB

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

PtB!!!

also, Thriller with JB is FULL OF WIN.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HAHAHA

I LIKE THAT WORD I DONT KNOW HURR

-KK

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THE YIPPING YAMACHA

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JEW%

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAT

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

STEAL FIRST

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh gameday

just stopped- fuck

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEJ

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WAIT

THIS TEAM CAN’T HIT LEFT HANDED PITCHING

by yeseggs on Jul 8, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No

We usually can’t hit crappy pitching and we definitely cannot hit young pitching.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah we are

We just can’t hit young pitchers or crappy pitchers.

It just amazes me how we do okay vs solid guys then a horrible pitcher will shut us out

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess it depends how you want to define it

I’m talking more in relative terms. We seem to fail against the worst pitchers that we face. The guy last night wasn’t exactly Johan Santana.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Johan is the baseline, then yes, we've faced mostly crappy pitchers.

If the guy is average, we should expect to beat him, but he wouldn’t be average without a few good starts mixed in.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johan is great obviously

The point is pitchers like last night, who shouldn’t be anywhere close to average, dominates our team far more than they should.

And even the “average” pitchers that have good starts mixed in seem to have their good starts against us and their bad ones against others.

I don’t see how you don’t notice the same thing. Below average pitchers throw gems against us way too often.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carl crawford

fails us

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: Wandy Rodriguez

is a beast as of late

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FTFM

Shields just can’t win at the Trop.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir: 39 pitches through 3

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Solo HRs and no walks

I’m pleased with it

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they can slip in

a Hit Show commercial sometime between now and Saturday. Just for the sake of nostalgia. And irony.

by untexan on Jul 8, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BENZO

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It worked last night, I'll do it again

We all know PTB is not going to come through here.

by untexan on Jul 8, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sexy

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

10-10 would rec again

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"It squirted up nicely, right into my leg"

That’s what she said?

RD over and out.

by ReasonableDoubt on Jul 8, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhh

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha oh wow

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SCUTARO!

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please don't kill this rally!!

Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cool

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kapler

Master of the bases loaded walk.

by untexan on Jul 8, 2009 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Out

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

N avi would be out since he was skipped

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ah

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pitcher gets to hit, IMO

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SONNY PLZ.

O WAIT.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Please don’t kill this rally!!

Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!! Please don’t kill this rally!!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAT WHAT WHAT

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FAT%!!!!!!

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Navi can be serviceable if he hits like that

Short and compact just trying to spray line drive singles

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NAVI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WALK BEEJ NOW!!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCK THAT DEWD

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and at second

I could be wrong though

by staplemaniac on Jul 8, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a strike

Good pitch to hit too. Close though so I don’t blame him for taking it. But belt high middle of the plate is juicy

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PEOPLE

ALWAYS BE CALLING HIGH STRIKES AGAINST BEEJ!!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great Gameday

is still stuck on the Kapler AB- it loves jews

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And

Rolen extends his hit streak to 22 games

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fail

Scott-Fail

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So where was our offense for the past five days?

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Those were good pitchers.

Chances are they were left handed too.

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can't hit leftys

no matter how bad they are

by putupyourDUKES on Jul 8, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but tallet=lhp

…

www.draysbay.com

by Tommy Rancel on Jul 8, 2009 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry, he's a troll

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

goodness gracious

scott- this is the jays

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gamecast showed

the 1st and 2nd pitches strikes!!!

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Line outs

are good

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Many hitters crouch when they swing

So the vertical portion of the zone looks a lot smaller than what it really should be

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah horizontal is where I am more concerned

Umps shrink the vertical strike zone from what it should be so I don’t see how players can bitch. I guess they have a gripe if it is changing all the time. But in my eyes if it is a regulation strike then you cant really complain. The horizontal crap is ridiculous. Calling stuff inches off the place is horrible. That crap can’t even be hit.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh yeah

they were close

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHY

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fail

Cahill-Fail

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Scott

Hates us

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vote for Los!

Can we take that banner down now?

by FiveAce on Jul 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uh

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LONGOOOOOOOO

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCKING TALLET

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ZORILLAAAAAAAAA

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAAY

JESUS%!

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just here to say wow Zobrist

and wow BJ

I WAS gonna say wow Kaz till he blew up in the 4th

Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!

by joeybw on Jul 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You are late.

i thought you were waiting till we won the game

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to post after we finally got production from the middle of the order

Congrats to Longoria, Bartlett, Zobrist, and Crawford. Vote for Pena!

by joeybw on Jul 8, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually okay with Kaz

I think his true talent has really dropped because of the decline in velocity, but I do think he is vastly better now. His control is much better. He is barely missing. When he wants to throw a strike he is throwing it or getting damn close. That is far better than before when he couldn’t hit the ocean from the beach.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He needs his velocity back

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mostly agree...

He looks better. He’s still nibbling too much on the edges, it just seems he needs to come in the zone more when bases are empty or fewer on.

by tallyray on Jul 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha and i just said I'm okay with him

Im just sick of the 5 walks in 2 inning type outings.

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, 2 per 20 batters faced.

And his K/BB ratio is going to be far greater than 1. Not worried.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will finish with 6 to 7 IP

2 homers, 5k’s, 3 walks, 5 or 6 runs

Obviously not good, but the tRA will drop

His PC is still decent

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The solo shots really aren't the issue...

Strikeout pitchers can give those up. It’s the walks and baserunners that are concerning…

by tallyray on Jul 8, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's part luck...

And partly how you pitch someone… He wasn’t really attacking anyone that last inning. Not really going to give up HRs like that.

by tallyray on Jul 8, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has actually been sort of lucky

2 baserunners an inning giving up .5 home runs in an inning. That could easily be more than 5 runs

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will do one better

Somewhere, James Shields wants a trade- he is speaking to friedman now.

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hay guise wats goin on?

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HOW DARE YOU

NOT MENTION JAMES SHIELDS, HE CARES TOO?

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 8:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Navi out of the way

So important for the 8th hitter to get Navi up each time so we can lead the next inning with Upton.

by FiveAce on Jul 8, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THE DEVIL RAYS ARE COMING BACK!!!

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O's are close to signing Sano huh?

I could be late to the party on this one

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Noooooo ;_;

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Too lazy to finish the catch :(

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOS

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

VOTE FOR LOS

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I guess that makes sense...

If you have above average sink, it’s a GB no matter how hard it’s hit, but if you have above-average rise, you are only going to get FB, not necessarily IFFB. Is that about right?

by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the most part.

IFFBs don’t have great year-to-year correlation, although I forget what the exact correlation is.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm it is wacky wednesday

sounds like a solid dinner

by matthan on Jul 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

YAY KAZ!

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DJ KAZZY KEFF

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like it.

7/10 for creativity.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Desmond Jennings triples (7) on a fly ball to center fielder James Adduci.

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

An outfield of CC/BJ/DJ is just unfair

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dang.

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

AJ Burnett looks like Big Bird from Sesame Street.

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Joe Mauer!

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF was that, Navi?

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was

considered a wild pitch

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So says

Gamecast

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has to be scored as something...

you think it’s a passed ball? I don’t think you can blame Navi for not anticipating it would bounce off the plate over his head. I don’t know, maybe you can…. the way Navi’s been playing he should probably take the blame for a lot of things.

by ChiBurbRaysFan on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not calling a good game

considered one of em

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But GARRRRRRRRRRRZZZZZZZZZZZAAAAAAA

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I encourage all of you,

If you see the people who blow those horns, to light them on fire.

by steve-o1285 on Jul 8, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sigh yeah

sadly- i agree

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

People to kill

1. Horn guys
2. “Left right” people
3. Sign lady
4. Organ player
5. Billy Madison

by steve-o1285 on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kind of

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

that’s pretty much it

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree he has been pretty bad

He has worked out of some jams too. It could easily be worse

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has he been pretty bad?

2:1 K:BB

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ump was squeezing him in the 4th too

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hasn't been hit hard, per say.

50% of his balls in play have been fly balls though, so a few homeruns were to be expected.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm really liking what I'm seeing.

I still think he’s going to get better as the season goes on and barring injury, probably near the end of the season, he’s going to go on a big tear.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully.

He did better swinging strikes wise against Toronto than Niemann and Garza did, so that’s a plus. ~8%.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without using stats, the biggest thing I've seen out of him.

Each start, his slider has looked better.

In his first start back, he still had his crappy slider, which was basically a downward breaking fastball. Last start, he had that slider most of the time too, but he threw a couple that were really good looking, where it appeared to be a sweeping fastball then just dove down and in right at the plate. It was hard to notice, because both of them were to the hackalicious twins on the rangers.

I only caught the 6th, and saw two sliders that inning. They were better then his crap one but didn’t break as hard as those two really good ones last game. His slider is ‘coming back to him’ so to speak. We have to remember that Kaz hasn’t been healthy for a year and a half, he’s going to have some rust on him.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the stats back up that his slider is breaking more.

So you’re right about the movement coming back.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a bit harder for me to see it on the other pitches

But I imagine that they’re going to become more lively as the season wears on.

Then, when he goes on his tear at the end of the season and is clearly the best pitcher on the staff, we trade him.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

if he had a better ump- better results could have been expected- maybe.

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To a certain degree

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOOOOOOOS

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that was amazing

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Again

I like the pickoff- steal home part- if C.C was stealing second- its a different story

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly

good, his command was amazing

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*****Sorry, Not amazing

better but not amazing

Come ON Pat the Bust, Navi can not have more homers than you

by Some other guy who does not care on Jul 8, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FUCK

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BARTYYYYYYYYY

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

M.V.B.!!!!!!

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KITTY KAZ IN THE 7TH

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McEachren to Hudson Valley

Follow Me on Twitter @FreeZorilla

by FreeZorilla on Jul 8, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OLD

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not sexy

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm really starting to hate seeing Balfour on the mound.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

09>08

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

09 hitting > 08 hitting

09 pitching < 08 pitching

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss 08 Balfour ;_;

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAT THE FUCK

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FUCKSAUCE

Sign lady must die.

by EminenceFront on Jul 8, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

EPIC FAIL

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

k

Brad Ziegler had a scoreless inning streak. Brad Ziegler had not met BJ Upton.

by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Except he didn't walk anyone.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can't let

things like numbers and facts get in the way of a stupid argument, you just can’t.

by untexan on Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course not.

Which is why I didn’t reply.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NAVARROWNED

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

SO MUCH PITCHING!

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Odds Navi is stranded on second?

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

^_^

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

/Adam Jones'd

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a Chiller

Fuck your closer

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, he can kill a rally w/o doing anything wrong

lol

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ted Rogers. Former owner

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BS CALL

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

/facepalm

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"There's Evan longoria. The Rays will definetly walk him."

Thanks Dewayne

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler's about to get fucked thanks to Brandon Inge.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

still can't believe Kinsler didn't make it

but there were so many good candidates at 2B

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

didn’t mean it like he shouldn’t be on it.

Cano has better numbers then Pedroia too. He def should not be on the team

Kap-rilla???

by Sveet on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could understand Figgins instead of Kinsler

but Inge? Seriously?

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's one more day and Inge took over the lead.

I’m torn between continuing to pump ballots for Los, whose in 4th, or voting for Kinsler to right that wrong.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inge is a fantastic defender.

Longo level.

And his bat has been good this year.

by R.J. Anderson on Jul 8, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FUCK

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ghei

Hold ’em down, ’pen

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by JMB on Jul 8, 2009 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am a fan of mma, I've got Mir by sub in the 2nd

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the fight actually makes it to the 2nd round, I'd be stunned. I think it's going to look a whole lot like the first.

Lesnar’s going to smash the fuck out of him, and he’s going to have to force a submission to win. He won’t be able to outlast a barrage by Lesnar. He’s strong. Retard strong.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mir's Black Belt and Grappling Tourney Acumen >>> Lesnar's Purple Belt from Minnesota MMA

Mir has the more prestigous trainers, It may keep lesnar from falling for the really obvious leglocks, but IF(Medium-Big If) Mir can keep Lesnar in his guard and out of mount, I can’t see it ending well for Lesnar.

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lesnar was a champion NCAA wrestler too, it's not like he doesn't know how to grapple.

But I’m not trying to take an opposing opinion against you, I don’t dare test my knowledge on MMA against anyone.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I know. He's going to take down Mir at will. If he wants.

But I doubt he passes guard and I doubt he can avoid the sub with Mir on his back.

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by P Brady on Jul 8, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is true, he wasn't able to break through Mir's guard in the first fight.

To his credit, he literally punched right through it more than a few times; however he’s actually not as strong now as he was then. He’s clearly adapted his training to involve more technique and probably flexibility at the cost of pure strength. He’s still stupid strong, but I don’t imagine that he’s strong enough anymore to blast his way through a good guard.

I can't wait until we trade him for a reliever.

by kericr on Jul 8, 2009 10:2